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, but another will not. (IE and Moz come to mind). Therefore: keep it consistent. I am gradually re-training myself to write in lowercase, selectors as well as class names, simply to be on the safe side. --HTH MaKo ~~just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water~~ http://www.mako4css.com/ From jeff at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 24 14:10:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:10:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web In-Reply-To: <20030224194546.92618.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: tom, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Tom Dell'Aringa > > My in-laws got this message which is apparently bogus ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< apparently bogus? how do you know? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > How could someone get this info off the ebay servers > if it is encrypted? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< how do you know someone other than ebay is getting this info off their servers? where did the email originate from? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > I guess ebay is getting calls all day about this. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< you guess? just a gut thing or do you have friends that work there that have told you the phones are ringing off the hook? .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From rob.smith at THERMON.com Mon Feb 24 14:13:01 2003 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:13:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] A:Active Working Example? Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47C9@smtmb.tmc.local> >could you explain what you mean by "reset" visited links? >if you want links not to have a separate colour for visited state, >that's easy. Yup, it is. I had the impression from your original posting that "you could also try this" a:visited:hover a:visited:active ... etc. I looked at it a bit and you're basically not solving the problem. You're leaving a trail of clicked links using standard css attributes. Remember, the active property is not the active page, but the current link clicked, in the down click operation. (while studying Emma's example: http://careermatters.tvo.org/highschool/other.phtml) The css is what impressed me and what I was going after. Allow me to extrapolate the css and usage for the red link in the above example: CSS: ---- UL.bigLinks LI.bigLinksSel A { PADDING-LEFT: 0px; LIST-STYLE-POSITION: outside; COLOR: #FF0000; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: disc; TEXT-DECORATION: none } LI A.whiteLinks { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12px; COLOR: #fff; TEXT-ALIGN: left; TEXT-DECORATION: none! important } Usage: ------

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The arrow is what I was going after. Basically, *how* do you set the current page's link to a different color. I do not disagree with the effectiveness of the programming solutions out there. I just wanted a simple one, like the one above. This approach however may not be the best one for frequently used navigation systems. So, ;-) I supposed I could implement some sort of: check URL for page title, if it matches link A, then use a different class. Throwing my hands in the air and walking off the scene, Rob.Smith From abbey at abbeyink.com Mon Feb 24 14:15:31 2003 From: abbey at abbeyink.com (abbey) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:15:31 2003 Subject: [thelist] Font anti-alisaing? In-Reply-To: <20030224192516.A17055@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> References: <20030224192516.A17055@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> Message-ID: <200302241425.12842.abbey@abbeyink.com> On Mon February 24 2003 1:25 pm, Kevin Cannon wrote: > Need info on this cause i'm trying to decide to go with graphics or text > for part of my site. My favorite two links for working with fonts: http://www.wpdfd.com/wpdtypo.htm http://developer.apple.com/internet/fonts/ I haven't seen these posted in awhile now, and perhaps they'll help. BTW, if at all possible, go with text. I'm still stuck on dial-up and I appreciate sites that don't use graphics when text will do. From pixelmech at yahoo.com Mon Feb 24 14:20:00 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:20:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030224202027.36742.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com> --- ".jeff" wrote: > tom, > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > From: Tom Dell'Aringa > > > > My in-laws got this message which is apparently bogus > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > apparently bogus? how do you know? For the sake of verity I guess I was too vague. My Mother-in-law got on the phone with ebay and they told her (from her words) it was "spam". The guy said they don't use customer account numbers, nor do they put cc#'s in correspondance like they did in the email I attached. I didn't talk to him directly of course, but from what she said - they guy is claiming they did not send any such email and that they got calls all day about it from lots of people. (Note: I can't find anything regarding this on the news anywhere today). > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > How could someone get this info off the ebay servers > > if it is encrypted? > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > how do you know someone other than ebay is getting this info off > their servers? I don't. Inside job? Mistake they aren't owning up to? > where did the email originate from? I only got a copy of the email sent to me that I sent to the list. "" is in the email. > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > I guess ebay is getting calls all day about this. > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > you guess? just a gut thing or do you have friends that work there > that have told you the phones are ringing off the hook? Per above - what I heard second hand - that the guy at ebay told my mother-in-law this. I find the whole thing strange. She said he said he would make a note on their account they were going to get a new CC number and enter it and gave them correct instructions on how to do so. I think I'll make a call myself to see what I can find out. Tom ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From abbey at abbeyink.com Mon Feb 24 14:37:01 2003 From: abbey at abbeyink.com (abbey) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:37:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] A:Active Working Example? In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47C9@smtmb.tmc.local> References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47C9@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: <200302241448.12585.abbey@abbeyink.com> On Mon February 24 2003 2:10 pm, Rob Smith wrote: > So, ;-) I supposed I could implement some sort of: check > URL for page title, if it matches link A, then use a different class. > > Throwing my hands in the air and walking off the scene, my friend's example does that. The pages reside on the server, right? So, where else would you go to ask for a comparison of thispage.html and thatpage.html? You'd go to the server, or that's what the code does. Client walks in and asks for thispage.html and the server looks at the list of available pages, compares the requested page with the available page(s), and says, oh, here ya go: thispage thatpage The php script my friend wrote does that by looking at the available pages and then serves up the appropriate navigation and code. As pages are added to the site, I create the page, name it, then add that name to the php file that's included on each page and poof! there it is. http://ultimateactionsports.com/ -- o.k., not the slickest site on earth, but it uses this css/php navigation so I can add and remove pages from one file instead of hand-coding the links and classes on each page. From r937 at interlog.com Mon Feb 24 14:39:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:39:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] A:Active Working Example? References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47C9@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: <00ab01c2dc44$e39f25e0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > Basically, *how* do you set the current page's > link to a different color. okay, let's start over say there are three pages -- Home, About, Contact if you plan to use exactly the same code for the nav bar on all three pages, then you have no choice but to slap on some monstrous DOM solution which will change the "current" link for whatever page it's on if you will allow the nav bar to be slightly different on each of the three pages, then you are in business note that one easy way to make them different is to hard-code them that way!! i mean, the logic of this may appear tautological, but if the nav bar is being inserted into each of the pages using some server-side capability like SSI, then there's no reason why you have to insert exactly the same code into each of the three pages -- just insert something lightly different into each page thus, on the Home page -- Home About Contact and on the About page -- Home About Contact and on the Contact page -- Home About Contact there are ways to do this in each of SSI, ASP, ColdFusion, whatever if you have no server-side scripting available at all, then of course you simply hardcode the nav bar differently on each page okay, now let's talk about what you should code for the "something" i've seen many suggestions, ranging from classes, to inline spans, to all sorts of stuff none of them have the same appeal to me as the a selector it is the cleanest and the simplest, and it uses the simplest css, too so for the Contact page -- Home About Contact in terms of styling, what you do is style the a selector first give it all the styles that are shared by both links and anchors typically, font-family and font-size more importantly, other styles like display:block, if for example you wanted your nav bar links to be treated that way notice that in the context of the nav bar, the anchors are "links" in the general sense, even though, as anchors, they are "dead" on the page that they sit on (if you know what i mean) does this help? should i go on? rudy From evolt at matchpenalty.com Mon Feb 24 14:42:01 2003 From: evolt at matchpenalty.com (Roger Ly) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:42:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web In-Reply-To: <9B9B61FC5C65A94EAFC1950F2E58FCF801C8F46D@postal.homestead-corp.com> Message-ID: <9B9B61FC5C65A94EAFC1950F2E58FCF80F5641@postal.homestead-corp.com> >The guy said they don't use customer account numbers, nor do >they put cc#'s in correspondance like they did in the email... While I have never received an email saying that my card couldn't be charged, I have received numerous correspondance with my customer account number written in the email (it follows the same format as the one your mother-in-law received). The most recent one was for an invoice that I received November of last year. I can't be sure about the CC thing, but I think that whoever was handling support at EBay is a bit confused as to what they do/don't send via email. Roger From evolt at protocol0.com Mon Feb 24 14:45:00 2003 From: evolt at protocol0.com (gabriel rivera) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:45:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dedicated/virtual private servers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So, after wasting the better part of the day on this: Interland: Severe horror stories from a while back; probably improved now but who wants to deal with a legacy like that. Stingy on the bandwidth. Rackshack: Sounds too good to be true. Anyone have any more war stories irt rackshack? I'm definitely leaning in that direction. Are some of evolts machines hosted w/ rackshack? Rackspace: The leader; best name in the corporate world; but overpriced. Also, it seems they'll wheel and deal a little if pressed. Again, any anectodes to that effect? HE.net: still looking for some reviews. -Gabriel From so.there at showtunepink.com Mon Feb 24 14:46:01 2003 From: so.there at showtunepink.com (j.d. welch) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Font anti-alisaing? In-Reply-To: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14E44D@ati-ex-01.ati.local> Message-ID: <08F8154C-4839-11D7-BAFC-000393D62E96@showtunepink.com> On Monday, Feb 24, 2003, at 14:53 America/New_York, Chris W. Parker wrote: > Kevin Cannon wrote: > >> Does anyone have any idea what OSes have it turned on by default, >> and hoe many poeple approximately that is. > > I would say few OS's do this by default. Maybe OSX and WinXP do it by > default? Maybe also some Linux distro's? OS X antialiases all text (so every browser does it); the default is all text 8pt and above. i haven't used linux on the desktop for a while, but i recall konqueror was doing anti-aliased fonts by default (as an integral part of kde 2-something, which was doing it for all text); gnome 2 does anti-aliasing for its own things, but i can't remember if the browsers do too. it seems that most browsers for linux _can_ do it now, but some require recompiling, etc., so how widely implemented it is, who knows. -jd ------------------------------------------------------------------ J.D. 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Security of info on the web (with tip) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030224205024.41091.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, I talked to ebay myself, and this is downright scary. Frankly, they are downplaying this WAY too much for my liking. Apparently their site is being spoofed, per the email I sent. They call this "spam" email (funny they don't call it SCAM). And you are supposed to report it to spam at ebay.com (I did). I asked her about the email and she said it was fake, and that even though I can sign in its NOT their web site. People - when I click their link - it picks up my username from my computer - and it KNOWS MY REAL PASSWORD. When I told her this, she said it is somehow approximating or spoofing their site - they don't really know my PW. Yet if I enter a phony pw I can't get in. She said they sent emails to all their members explaining this. Did I get an email about this? NO. I'm an ebay member. She points me to this link: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/marketing.shtml Read the first entry for the 23rd. This is their basic response to it. Since the phony URL in the email has http://cgi3.ebay... according to their page it must be a false site. The whole time this lady didn't seem at all concerned about this whole issue (and slightly confused too). I'm at work so I can't take the time to wait for her boss or something, but I find this very very odd...Is it just me? I have to wonder if my account is safe. I definitely owe a tip so here is one: A big culprit in JS errors are object references. No matter how correct your code is after you are referencing an object, you can't do anything if the reference is wrong. So first, be careful that you reference things correctly: use the DOM 0 forms/elements array for forms and use names if you can. Secondly, if you aren't sure if thats the problem, alert your object reference like this: myObj = document.forms["myform"]; alert(myObj); And if myObj truly is the object you will get "[object]" in your alert. If you get 'undefined' or something else, you've found your problem. ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From ben_dyer at imaginuity.com Mon Feb 24 14:51:01 2003 From: ben_dyer at imaginuity.com (Ben Dyer) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:51:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dedicated/virtual private servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224144841.01951cb0@mail.imaginuity.com> At 02:45 PM 2/24/2003, you wrote: >So, after wasting the better part of the day on this: > >Interland: Severe horror stories from a while back; probably improved now >but who wants to deal with a legacy like that. Stingy on the bandwidth. Will agree with that. I will never use Interland again. >HE.net: still looking for some reviews. I've had very positive experiences with them. They're reasonably priced, very knowledgable and have very quick support (even in the middle of a business day, I get e-mail replies within minutes). I highly recommend Hurricane Electric. --Ben From spambait at onpointsolutions.com Mon Feb 24 14:51:22 2003 From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:51:22 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dedicated/virtual private servers References: Message-ID: <004e01c2dc46$8c09f740$0100a8c0@OFFICE> > HE.net: still looking for some reviews. I use them frequently for virtual hosting. Good uptime, excellent 24/7 tech support. Can't say anything 'bout dedicated servers though. ------------- Regards, Bob Haroche O n P o i n t S o l u t i o n s www.OnPointSolutions.com From rob.smith at THERMON.com Mon Feb 24 14:51:46 2003 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:51:46 2003 Subject: [thelist] A:Active Working Example? Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47CA@smtmb.tmc.local> Weird! Weird! Weird! Ok. Taking MaKo's example: a.nowon:link { color: #911300; } This worked: Contact Us This failed: Contact Us And after reading rudy's example notice that in the context of the nav bar, the anchors are "links" in the general sense, even though, as anchors, they are "dead" on the page that they sit on (if you know what i mean) I think I understand why my above example failed. hmmm. interesting. Thoughts? ..but why would the style fail for what it was designed to do in the first place? and not rudy's *hack Rob From jasonh at pavilion.co.uk Mon Feb 24 14:53:01 2003 From: jasonh at pavilion.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:53:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web In-Reply-To: <20030224194546.92618.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > My in-laws got this message which is apparently bogus A few links for your reading pleasure: http://www.imakenews.com/emailresults/e_article000097314.cfm http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/15717.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/28279.html J From jeff at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 24 14:59:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:59:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web (with tip) In-Reply-To: <20030224205024.41091.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: tom, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Tom Dell'Aringa > > Read the first entry for the 23rd. This is their basic > response to it. Since the phony URL in the email has > http://cgi3.ebay... according to their page it must > be a false site. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< sorry, but this is a big, stinky pile of bullsh!t. they simply are not enumerating all the valid addresses in their posting. cgi3.ebay.com has been a valid subdomain for ages. they even talk about it as a valid url on their security page: http://pages.ebay.com/help/account_protection.html?ssPageName=CMDV:AB0008 i still think the email your relative received was genuinely from ebay. the proof is in the headers of that email. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From gozz at gozz.com Mon Feb 24 14:59:45 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Mon Feb 24 14:59:45 2003 Subject: [thelist] Why use UTC time? In-Reply-To: <20030224194708.GX6440@pion.local> Message-ID: On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 01:47 PM, shawn allen wrote: > quoth Erik Mattheis: >> What's the advantage for having unix epoch times always in GMT if your >> app is hosted in a single time zone? Seems useless to me. Nay, >> detrimental. > > The UNIX epoch /is/ midnight GMT. Storing time vales relative to > differing timezones on individual files or machines would kinda defeat > the purpose of having a standard, wouldn't it? I would agree in general ... but not for the purpose of what I want to do. When I use PHP's date('Y-m-d H:i',0) it interprets 0 as local time - 1969-12-31 18:00 ... is this the expected behavior? I'd rather something come out of MySQL as I put it in there instead of adjusting it for GMT and then any adjustments the app requires on top of that ... but I get the feeling I'm making things more complicated then they should be ... My desired behavior: User enters 2/24/2003 6:00 pm in CST, date is stored as seconds since midnight, 1/1/1970, and can be displayed as that same time in any timezone the user chooses ... like if they're in EST, it would display as 7 pm. Seems to me that could be taken care of in less than four short lines of code ... but I don't see it. > the TZ environment variable determines > the output of time(), mktime(), date(), etc. To change your timezone, > simply change the environment variable: > > putenv('TZ=US/Pacific'); [...] Lots of info to digest, but it seems like my answer is definitely in there somewhere. Thanks! For the record, if you can't tell, I'm just getting into PHP/MySQL, trying to make use of time serving jury duty, which mainly consists of doing nothing except being prepared to be immediately and indefinitely unavailable. ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From jeff at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 24 15:01:00 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Mon Feb 24 15:01:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: jason, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Jason Handby > > > My in-laws got this message which is apparently bogus > > A few links for your reading pleasure: > > http://www.imakenews.com/emailresults/e_article000097314.cfm > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/15717.html > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/28279.html ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< unfortunately, none of the news stories above are similar to what tom is talking about. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From pixelmech at yahoo.com Mon Feb 24 15:05:01 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Mon Feb 24 15:05:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web (with tip) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030224210522.43212.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com> --- ".jeff" wrote: > tom, > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > From: Tom Dell'Aringa > > > > Read the first entry for the 23rd. This is their basic > > response to it. Since the phony URL in the email has > > http://cgi3.ebay... according to their page it must > > be a false site. > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > sorry, but this is a big, stinky pile of bullsh!t. they simply are > not enumerating all the valid addresses in their posting. > cgi3.ebay.com has been a valid subdomain for ages. they even talk > about it as a valid url on their security page: Right, makes sense. What irks me the most about this is the "technician" on the phone didn't know enough to tell me one way or the other. I suspected it might be okay, but I asked her "Is http://cgi3.ebay... a valid address?" And all I got was silence, she had NO idea. > i still think the email your relative received was genuinely from > ebay. the proof is in the headers of that email. When I get home I will check them, this is POing me off :P Sorry about the ot thread. Tom ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From lists at pinetree.net Mon Feb 24 15:10:01 2003 From: lists at pinetree.net (Oren Levin) Date: Mon Feb 24 15:10:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web (with tip) In-Reply-To: <20030224205024.41091.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A quick check of cgi3.ebay.com looks ok http://centralops.net/co/DomainDossier.vbs.asp?dom_whois=1&net_whois=1&dom_d ns=1&addr=cgi3.ebay.com The IP address is within their range of addresses. I'd second the email that said the woman you talked to was incorrect. If you look at cgi.ebay.com (http://centralops.net/co/DomainDossier.vbs.asp?dom_whois=1&net_whois=1&dom_ dns=1&addr=cgi.ebay.com) you will see that it returns 2 IP addresses. My guess is that eBay has a number of servers running their CGIs (given their size, it's not unreasonable). I was able to look up records for cgi, cgi1, cgi2, cgi3, cgi4, cgi5, and cg6. We do similar naming of our servers at work. My guess is that the script that generated the email your in-laws received was misconfigured. Instead of cgi3.ebay is was supposed to write cgi.ebay. Not a big deal in and of itself. Oren ----- Oren Levin, Web Developer olevin at audible.com, 973.837.2811 Give the gift of audio - http://www.audible.com/giftcenter -----Original Message----- Ok, I talked to ebay myself, and this is downright scary. Frankly, they are downplaying this WAY too much for my liking. Apparently their site is being spoofed, per the email I sent. They call this "spam" email (funny they don't call it SCAM). And you are supposed to report it to spam at ebay.com (I did). I asked her about the email and she said it was fake, and that even though I can sign in its NOT their web site. People - when I click their link - it picks up my username from my computer - and it KNOWS MY REAL PASSWORD. When I told her this, she said it is somehow approximating or spoofing their site - they don't really know my PW. Yet if I enter a phony pw I can't get in. She said they sent emails to all their members explaining this. Did I get an email about this? NO. I'm an ebay member. She points me to this link: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/marketing.shtml Read the first entry for the 23rd. This is their basic response to it. Since the phony URL in the email has http://cgi3.ebay... according to their page it must be a false site. The whole time this lady didn't seem at all concerned about this whole issue (and slightly confused too). I'm at work so I can't take the time to wait for her boss or something, but I find this very very odd...Is it just me? I have to wonder if my account is safe. I definitely owe a tip so here is one: A big culprit in JS errors are object references. No matter how correct your code is after you are referencing an object, you can't do anything if the reference is wrong. So first, be careful that you reference things correctly: use the DOM 0 forms/elements array for forms and use names if you can. Secondly, if you aren't sure if thats the problem, alert your object reference like this: myObj = document.forms["myform"]; alert(myObj); And if myObj truly is the object you will get "[object]" in your alert. If you get 'undefined' or something else, you've found your problem. ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jason at devnetwork.net Mon Feb 24 15:23:01 2003 From: jason at devnetwork.net (Jason Lotito) Date: Mon Feb 24 15:23:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dedicated/virtual private servers References: Message-ID: <3E5A8D07.9090302@devnetwork.net> gabriel rivera wrote: > So, after wasting the better part of the day on this: > > Rackspace: The leader; best name in the corporate world; but overpriced. > Also, it seems they'll wheel and deal a little if pressed. Again, any > anectodes to that effect? They are the best. Overpriced? Hardly. They may not be as cheap as some people but are less expensive then others. Support and other services are where RackSpace really shine, also with the ability to grow. I swear, they are the first company to call me up to welcome me and to walk me through their services after I had signed up. Very professional, with a support staff that simply rocks. Also, security updates are nice. They keep you updated on any security problems based on the server you get, and if you dont' know how to patch the security hole, or simply don't want to, just send them a notice and they will do it for you. Beyond support, they are they are a big hosting company, so they can expand as your needs grow. A lot of hosting companies couldn't do that. So that little extra money you are spending is actually going to something worthwhile. If your hosting a business site, I definetly recommend RackSpace. Jason Lotito www.PHPComplete.com From shark at mako4css.com Mon Feb 24 15:23:39 2003 From: shark at mako4css.com (MaKo) Date: Mon Feb 24 15:23:39 2003 Subject: [thelist] A:Active Working Example? References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47CA@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: <3e5a9062@fuseware.com> Weird. a) what are your 'normal' link colours? b) did you clear the cache? c) is this: the same in your document? Without the "" for the href=# d) what DOCTYPE did you declare, what browser are you using? e) please try this, and please try it in an outrageous colour (not maroon-ish, that's too close to the "default-color" for 'visited'): a.nowon:link, a.nowon:visited, a.nowon:hover { color: #66FFFF; } The biggest difference is that I usually do not put a 'live anchor' in a 'dead link'. Since you want to do that, you should declare all instances of that anchor to look the same. -- MaKo ~~just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water~~ http://www.mako4css.com/ From evolt at matchpenalty.com Mon Feb 24 16:06:01 2003 From: evolt at matchpenalty.com (Roger Ly) Date: Mon Feb 24 16:06:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Formatting problems with thumbnail page Message-ID: <9B9B61FC5C65A94EAFC1950F2E58FCF80F5642@postal.homestead-corp.com> Hey all, I'm having a little trouble getting my thumbnail page to look exactly as I want: http://members.evolt.org/rogerly/grid_matte.html Anyways, if you look at the page, the layout is fairly simple, a header, some description and a bunch of thumbnails at the bottom of the page. I have three questions, ordered by importance. Really, only the first question is really important right now. 1. Is there any way to absolutely center the thumbnail images within their colored background div? Each thumbnail is on a gray, 90x90 background. Since each thumbnail is of variable size, I want to be able to center horizontally and vertically the image on the gray background. The only solutions I can find involve either JavaScript or individually setting the appropriate margin-top's for each image (based on a (box.height-image.height)/2 formula. Is there a simple one that doesn't require me knowing the width/height of the thumbnails I want to center? 2. For the top header, I want the box to end right after the "HodgePodge" text (after the 8px padding). I don't want to specify a specific width, as the content of the header could be variable. 3. NN4.x? Anything I can do to get this layout working in NN4.x? PS - For those of you already on the css-d list, this may look familiar. I haven't received any responses from that list, so I thought I'd try this list as well.. Thanks, Roger From rob.smith at THERMON.com Mon Feb 24 16:10:01 2003 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Mon Feb 24 16:10:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] A:Active Working Example? Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47CB@smtmb.tmc.local> a) what are your 'normal' link colours? a:link { color="#000000" } a:hover { color="#B95F4C" } a:active { color="#B95F4C" } a:visited { color="0000000" } a.selected { color="#B95F4C" } b) did you clear the cache? every time c) is this: the same in your document? Without the "" for the href=# it is a shortened version. the onClick had a few more directives with the same attitude of the one listed, but nested inside a frameset. d) what DOCTYPE did you declare, what browser are you using? >The biggest difference is that I usually do not put a 'live anchor' >in a 'dead link'. Since you want to do that, you should declare all >instances of that anchor to look the same. becuase e) is not responded to, to what you've said here, and what I agreed with my manager is that once you're at that page, there is no need for that highlighted link to be active any longer so - It now resides as a dead link. Thanks all for your help, Rob From seyon at delime.com Mon Feb 24 16:35:01 2003 From: seyon at delime.com (Marc Seyon) Date: Mon Feb 24 16:35:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web (with tip) In-Reply-To: References: <20030224205024.41091.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030224183355.02313e30@mail.delime.com> Quick search on google news turned up http://www.andalusiastarnews.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2003/Feb ruary/19-187-news022002.txt Seems like ebay is being targeted these days. regards. -m From david at gigawatt.com Mon Feb 24 16:51:01 2003 From: david at gigawatt.com (David Kaufman) Date: Mon Feb 24 16:51:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dedicated/virtual private servers References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224144841.01951cb0@mail.imaginuity.com> Message-ID: <003001c2dc54$5ff43a40$b2095243@dopey> Ben Dyer wrote... > >> HE.net: still looking for some reviews. > > I highly recommend Hurricane Electric. +1 high recommendation for he.net. i've had only good experiences with their hosting services, tech support and data center(s). -dave From joel at spinhead.com Mon Feb 24 16:58:01 2003 From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Mon Feb 24 16:58:01 2003 Subject: SOLVED RE: [thelist] Javascript and hidden layers - odd onclick b ehaviour Message-ID: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > what's causing this is the storage of the state in a single > variable. one word -- don't. check the state of the object > itself before deciding what to do. Fair enough. Copied code, logic not mine, not enough time to analyze. Function below is near perfect: two typos - 'documet' in line 2 s/b 'document' and 'visibile' in the last line before the two closing brackets should be 'visible' - this one gave no error and required that I actually read the code and use my brain. Tough stuff for a Monday. Much coolness. Thanks jeff. > function showhide(layerID) > { > if(documet.getElementById) > layerObj = document.getElementById(layerID); > else if(document.all) > layerObj = document.all[layerID]; > else > layerObj = null; > if(layerObj) > { > visibility = layerObj.style.visibility; > layerObj.style.visibility = (!visibility || visibility == > 'visibile') ? 'hidden' : 'visible'; > } > } From warren0728 at mac.com Mon Feb 24 17:02:01 2003 From: warren0728 at mac.com (Warren Wight) Date: Mon Feb 24 17:02:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dedicated/virtual private servers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1B3AE055-484C-11D7-BD81-003065557588@mac.com> I have two servers with RackShack and have been very happy. These are technically unmanaged servers (you manage everything) but I have found more than enough help in the forums (which are great) and through RackShacks technical support too. warren On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 03:45 PM, gabriel rivera wrote: > > Rackshack: Sounds too good to be true. Anyone have any more war > stories > irt rackshack? I'm definitely leaning in that direction. Are some of > evolts machines hosted w/ rackshack? > > Rackspace: The leader; best name in the corporate world; but > overpriced. > Also, it seems they'll wheel and deal a little if pressed. Again, any > anectodes to that effect? > From jeff at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 24 17:07:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Mon Feb 24 17:07:01 2003 Subject: SOLVED RE: [thelist] Javascript and hidden layers - odd onclick behaviour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: joel, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Joel Canfield > > Function below is near perfect: two typos - 'documet' > in line 2 s/b 'document' and 'visibile' in the last > line before the two closing brackets should be 'visible' ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< i could say that i put those errors in there on purpose to test your debugging accumen. however, i'd be lying. the truth is i wrote the entire function off the top of my head and didn't test it. good catches though. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From jeff at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 24 17:14:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Mon Feb 24 17:14:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] Regular Expression Questions Message-ID: hey all, got a regex question. have a string of text that i'm doing some fixing of links to append some session related information. i'm looking for a couple of different things -- relative links, root relative links, and absolute links that match a list of pre-determined domain names. i've got the logic figured out how to handle the searching and replacing for each of these separate entities. right now, my difficulty is in getting the expressions correct so that it doesn't match domains that have matching strings, but aren't entirely correct. let's assume the domain i'm looking for is example.com. i've used ' Message-ID: rob, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Rob Smith > > a) what are your 'normal' link colours? > a:link { > color="#000000" > } > a:hover { > color="#B95F4C" > } > a:active { > color="#B95F4C" > } > a:visited { > color="0000000" > } > a.selected { > color="#B95F4C" > } ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< you pseudo-classes are in the wrong order. they should be l, v, h, a. a:link { color="#000000" } a:visited { color="0000000" } a:hover { color="#B95F4C" } a:active { color="#B95F4C" } second, you shouldn't be using = to assign values to the color property. you should be using :. third, property values rarely need to be wrapped in quotes. this is definitely one of those cases where it's not necessary. fourth, each property value should end in a semi-colon. fifth, all color values should be preceded by an octothorpe (#). a:link { color: #000000; } a:visited { color: #000000; } a:hover { color: #B95F4C; } a:active { color: #B95F4C; } ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > it is a shortened version. the onClick had a few more > directives with the same attitude of the one listed, > but nested inside a frameset. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< why the scripting on the link? it's totally unnecessary. using an octothorpe as the href attribute value will cause other oddities in both browser link behavior and css usage. fwiw, any link that's an in-document anchor will automatically be marked as if it's a visited link in many browsers. also, does the document in the frameset you're referring to also source in this same external stylesheet or are you expecting it will cascade from the top-level document into the documents within the frameset (fyi, it won't)? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > becuase e) is not responded to, to what you've said > here, and what I agreed with my manager is that once > you're at that page, there is no need for that > highlighted link to be active any longer so - It now > resides as a dead link. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< you and your manager have both arrived at an incorrect conclusion. there are lots of good reasons for the link to remain active. far better to leave it active than to partially castrate it with the scripting. Links & JavaScript Living Together in Harmony http://evolt.org/article/thelist/17/20938/ a url to what you're working on would help greatly in trying to come up with suggestions for alternative solutions. good luck, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From sbeam at syxyz.net Mon Feb 24 17:36:01 2003 From: sbeam at syxyz.net (Beam) Date: Mon Feb 24 17:36:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] Regular Expression Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200302241834.21690.sbeam@syxyz.net> > so, i guess i'm looking for a subexpression that says "if there are any of > the characters in the range of a-z, 0-9, and - (the only valid characters > for a subdomain), then they must be followed by a dot, but the existence of > the subdomain is optional". > this seems to work: ^https?:\/\/([a-z0-9-]+\.)?example\.com([^"]*) does not match http://badexample.com/foo matches http://example.com/foo http://bob.example.com/foo From pixelmech at yahoo.com Mon Feb 24 17:39:00 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Mon Feb 24 17:39:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] ADA, 508, accessibility and frames, etc Message-ID: <20030224233927.67424.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, I am pitching myself to my headhunter who is in turn pitching me as the main developer for a redesign on a public transportation web site. They want to be ada compliant (although comments were made as to -- "as much as we can" and I said its all or none baby). The current site uses frames and I want to say this is a bad thing, but wanted to check for sure (for accessibility that is). Also, can anyone point me to some good examples (not specifically ada wise, but just good sites) on public transportation? Bus, train whatever... Thanks! Tom ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Anna.Peekstok at METROKC.GOV Mon Feb 24 18:20:00 2003 From: Anna.Peekstok at METROKC.GOV (Peekstok, Anna) Date: Mon Feb 24 18:20:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] ADA, 508, accessibility and frames, etc Message-ID: <0A783574FBD0D311B3B000805FE672931637DE0B@kcmail1.metrokc.gov> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > They want to be ada compliant (although comments were made as to -- > "as much as we can" and I said its all or none baby). If this is a public agency in the United States, my understanding is that full web site accessibility is not a nicety they can choose or ignore, but a legal requirement. > The current > site uses frames and I want to say this is a bad thing, but wanted to > check for sure (for accessibility that is). >From purely an accessibility standpoint, a couple of issues with frames are: 1. They can be confusing for users with cognitive problems (i.e., those with brain injuries or developmental disabilities) because they "break" conventional web navigation and bookmarking. It can be difficult for even unimpaired users to figure out where they are in a frames site, and how to get back there later. 2. They tend to exert too much control over the size and shape of each window. For example, if a navigation frame runs down the left-hand side of the page, and a user has low vision and needs to enlarge the text to be able to read it, it may become impossible to read the navigation links in the frame without scrolling horizontally, which is pretty darn annoying. HTH, Anna From belinda at prodsol.net Mon Feb 24 18:53:01 2003 From: belinda at prodsol.net (Belinda Johnson) Date: Mon Feb 24 18:53:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dedicated/virtual private servers In-Reply-To: <1B3AE055-484C-11D7-BD81-003065557588@mac.com> Message-ID: I've been really sick the past two days and deleting more than reading my mail - so I'm coming in late on this conversation - but for what it's worth - I have no experience with Rackshack but I have 3 servers at Dialtone and have been with them for nearly two years. The service & support has been nearly flawless - and they also have a solid ticketsystem & excellent, knowledgeable tech staff when needed. I maintain one Win2K server and two Linux (Red Hat 7.2, Plesk Administration) servers. Belinda > Rackspace: The leader; best name in the corporate world; but > overpriced. > Also, it seems they'll wheel and deal a little if pressed. Again, any > anectodes to that effect? From jyee at vt.edu Mon Feb 24 19:03:00 2003 From: jyee at vt.edu (Jackson Yee) Date: Mon Feb 24 19:03:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] mod_rewrite redirection question References: <000201c2dc00$a01d9840$9200a8c0@dirtyape> Message-ID: <3e5ac3b9$1@fuseware.com> "Edward George" wrote in message news:000201c2dc00$a01d9840$9200a8c0 at dirtyape... > A question about mod_rewrite on Apache1.3(linux) with rewrite rules > applied in the virtual hosts configuration: > > I'm trying to rewrite a url ...co.uk/search?q=search_term (generated by > a html get form) to > ...co.uk/search/search_term mod_rewrite doesn't like to match query strings on the left side of a RewriteRule. Try a rewritecond rule and see if this might work for you: RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} q=(.*) RewriteRule ^search$ /search/%1 [R] Of course, I haven't tested this yet, but it might be a good place to start even if it doesn't work out for you. -- Regards, Jackson Yee jyee at vt.edu From jyee at vt.edu Mon Feb 24 19:30:01 2003 From: jyee at vt.edu (Jackson Yee) Date: Mon Feb 24 19:30:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] tinyURL usage References: <20030224193424.B17055@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> Message-ID: <3e5aca51@fuseware.com> "Kevin Cannon" wrote in message news:20030224193424.B17055 at prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE... > I kind think tinyURL and things of their ILK are actually a bad idea. > > I find 5 years time it goes bust or starts using ads then all the hyperlinks > in mailing list archives etc... will be lost, and searching archives won't be > much use. > > I understand the idea in principle, but I think encouraging webmasters to > create shorter URL it's a better idea. I myself, along with Tim Berners-Lee, would probably agree with you on that remark. Still, most addresses in the web aren't typed in manually, but clicked upon from another page or bookmarked, so it seems to me that if you had to spend resources in only one way, making navigation from the front page better would be much more productive than improving the URL system. When linking technology becomes more prominent and practical, I would love to see metadata-based web navigation rather than our current DNS/URI system. Imagine typing into your computer "ESPN Hockey Scores" instead of "http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/scoreboard." Which one would be more intuitive? -- Regards, Jackson Yee jyee at vt.edu From r937 at interlog.com Mon Feb 24 19:45:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon Feb 24 19:45:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] tinyURL usage Message-ID: <001d01c2dc6f$899c2ef0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > Imagine typing into your computer "ESPN Hockey Scores" instead of > "http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/scoreboard." we got this already it's called google and in this particular example, it actually works! ;o) From lists at frankmarion.com Mon Feb 24 21:06:01 2003 From: lists at frankmarion.com (Frank) Date: Mon Feb 24 21:06:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Pop-up killers In-Reply-To: <3e564c27$1@fuseware.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030224220345.00adb2e0@mail.frankmarion.com> At 10:43 AM 2/21/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Is there an overwhelming leader in the most popular software to kill >pop-ups? I found a lot of packages, but wasn't sure if there were a few >that are commonly used by everybody. With all the great responses, I'm surprised that no one mentioned The Proximatron. It's a simple little proxy server that sifts though your HTTP traffic and parses popups, ads, anything as you wish. I haven't seen a pop-in a couple of years. It's an excellent, piece of software. Free, easy to use, extremely configurable, very powerful. I can't recommend it highly enough. I consider it to be a "can't live without" piece of software. Frank From hblair at hotfootmail.com Mon Feb 24 21:46:01 2003 From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair) Date: Mon Feb 24 21:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] What characters to 'escape' Perl? Message-ID: <002d01c2dc80$8d1f5280$6601a8c0@transportgx> Hi y'all, My lack of Perl is showing. What characters need to be 'escaped' in the following type of statements? (This Is not complete, just representitive of the lines in this routine) print 'Content-type: text/html\n\n'; print '\n' ; print '\n' ; print 'Recommend\n' ; print '\n' ; print '\n' ; print '\n' ; print '\n' ; print '\n' ; print 'To: \n' ; print '\n' ; print '\n' ; print '\n' ; I thought all of these " @ % $ were the only ones, but something is still failing and I can't find it. Also, is there any rules when these characters should *not* be escaped in the type of statements listed above? Thanks in advance, -- Hugh From toby at rsux.com Mon Feb 24 22:14:01 2003 From: toby at rsux.com (Tobyn Baugher) Date: Mon Feb 24 22:14:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] What characters to 'escape' Perl? In-Reply-To: <002d01c2dc80$8d1f5280$6601a8c0@transportgx> References: <002d01c2dc80$8d1f5280$6601a8c0@transportgx> Message-ID: <210020433.1046128500@[192.168.0.4]> On Monday, February 24, 2003 9:46 PM -0600 Hugh Blair wrote: > My lack of Perl is showing. What characters need to be 'escaped' > in the following type of statements? (This Is not complete, just > representitive of the lines in this routine) You're using single quotes, so nothing except other single quotes need to be escaped. Single quotes don't interpolate vars. Example: my $string = 'abcdef'; print '$string'; <- prints $string If you want to interpolate the variables in those strings you've got (and the \n's), then you need to use double quotes like this: print "$string"; <- prints abcdef You almost certainly mean to use double quotes, since without them you're not going to get any newlines and that code snippet of yours is going to give you an internal server error with 'premature end of script headers' as the reason. For double-quoted strings you need to escape double quotes in the string as well as $ and @ symbols you wish to print literally. % doesn't need to be escaped since whole hashes aren't usually used in strings like that and perl assumes you mean the literal %. Additionally, I find it easier to not use "'s when I need to print HTML in a perl script since HTML uses so many "'s already. You can do it like this instead: print qq(\n); which is equivalent to print "\n"; It saves you some backslashes and looks a little more readable to me. It's personal preference, so you're free to disagree. As with all things Perl, TMTOWTDI. Of course, if you find yourself printing a lot of HTML, it might be a better idea to look into something like HTML::Template or Template Toolkit. Hope that helps, Toby -- Tobyn Baugher http://www.rsux.com aim: dieplzkthxbye icq: 14281524 efnet: toby From Anthony at Baratta.com Mon Feb 24 22:17:01 2003 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Mon Feb 24 22:17:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] What characters to 'escape' Perl? In-Reply-To: <002d01c2dc80$8d1f5280$6601a8c0@transportgx> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030224201054.037887f0@baratta.com> At 07:46 PM 2/24/2003, Hugh Blair wrote: >My lack of Perl is showing. What characters need to be 'escaped' >in the following type of statements? (This Is not complete, just >representitive of the lines in this routine) > >I thought all of these " @ % $ were the only ones, >but something is still failing and I can't find it. >Also, is there any rules when these characters should *not* >be escaped in the type of statements listed above? First off, using ' mean literal. You shouldn't have to escape anything except another '. Using " means you need to escape reserved characters like @,$,%, and of course ". If you are really stringing together print statements like that, I prefer this method: print qq[Content-type: text/html Recommend To: ]; As long as you don't use [] in your text. --- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative." From toby at rsux.com Mon Feb 24 22:30:02 2003 From: toby at rsux.com (Tobyn Baugher) Date: Mon Feb 24 22:30:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] Regular Expression Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <210945233.1046129425@[192.168.0.4]> Beam's response matches roughly what I would use for your first problem. On Monday, February 24, 2003 3:10 PM -0800 ".jeff" wrote: > so, next question is how to find relative and root relative links in > the document. obviously, ' http://www.rsux.com aim: dieplzkthxbye icq: 14281524 efnet: toby From abdullah at uxdg.com Mon Feb 24 22:36:00 2003 From: abdullah at uxdg.com (Abdullah Shaikh) Date: Mon Feb 24 22:36:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dedicated/virtual private servers References: <004e01c2dc46$8c09f740$0100a8c0@OFFICE> Message-ID: <004901c2dc87$70722660$7100a8c0@uxDell> I left HE.net after they were identified by SPEWS as a SPAMMER-FRIENDLY host. Their ENTIRE netblock which included EVERY IP address for EVERYONE of their clients was bounced by ANY email server that subscribed to SPEWS.ORG's blackhole listing. Word to the wise -- STAY AWAY. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Haroche" To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] Dedicated/virtual private servers > > HE.net: still looking for some reviews. > > > I use them frequently for virtual hosting. Good uptime, excellent 24/7 > tech support. Can't say anything 'bout dedicated servers though. > > ------------- > Regards, > Bob Haroche > O n P o i n t S o l u t i o n s > www.OnPointSolutions.com > > > From toby at rsux.com Mon Feb 24 22:45:01 2003 From: toby at rsux.com (Tobyn Baugher) Date: Mon Feb 24 22:45:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] What characters to 'escape' Perl? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030224201054.037887f0@baratta.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030224201054.037887f0@baratta.com> Message-ID: <569098.1046130341@[192.168.0.4]> On Monday, February 24, 2003 8:16 PM -0800 Anthony Baratta wrote: > If you are really stringing together print statements like that, I > prefer this method: > > print qq[Content-type: text/html *snip* > ]; > > As long as you don't use [] in your text. 'Here document' syntax is also quite useful if you're going to do one big multi-line print statement. Something like print < Recommend To: END_OF_MY_HTML lets you avoid worrying about using one magical character for your quote delimiter. Just don't put END_OF_MY_HTML on a line by itself inside your actual HTML and you're good to go :). -- Tobyn Baugher http://www.rsux.com aim: dieplzkthxbye icq: 14281524 efnet: toby From toby at rsux.com Mon Feb 24 23:08:01 2003 From: toby at rsux.com (Tobyn Baugher) Date: Mon Feb 24 23:08:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dedicated/virtual private servers In-Reply-To: <004901c2dc87$70722660$7100a8c0@uxDell> References: <004e01c2dc46$8c09f740$0100a8c0@OFFICE> <004901c2dc87$70722660$7100a8c0@uxDell> Message-ID: <1924286.1046131696@[192.168.0.4]> On Monday, February 24, 2003 8:36 PM -0800 Abdullah Shaikh wrote: > I left HE.net after they were identified by SPEWS as a > SPAMMER-FRIENDLY host. Their ENTIRE netblock which included EVERY IP > address for EVERYONE of their clients was bounced by ANY email server > that subscribed to SPEWS.ORG's blackhole listing. > > Word to the wise -- STAY AWAY. To be fair, most sufficiently-large hosting companies have been on SPEWS' lists at one time or another. To remove all probability of getting on their lists would basically amount to doing a background check of all potential customers to ensure they never have been involved with spam or been a "spam supporter". I admire what SPEWS does and the fact that they make their work available to the public. I hate spam as much as anyone. That said, however warranted it may be their methods are pretty extreme. As long as he.net took positive action quickly when they found out they were listed with SPEWS they did about as well as you can expect any hosting company with more than five customers that's trying to turn a profit to do. Regards, Toby -- Tobyn Baugher http://www.rsux.com aim: dieplzkthxbye icq: 14281524 efnet: toby From spambait at onpointsolutions.com Mon Feb 24 23:17:01 2003 From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche) Date: Mon Feb 24 23:17:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dedicated/virtual private servers References: <004e01c2dc46$8c09f740$0100a8c0@OFFICE> <004901c2dc87$70722660$7100a8c0@uxDell> Message-ID: <003301c2dc8d$4fcb2cd0$0100a8c0@OFFICE> Abdullah Shaikh wrote: > I left HE.net after they were identified by SPEWS as a > SPAMMER-FRIENDLY host. Their ENTIRE netblock which included > EVERY IP address for EVERYONE of their clients was bounced by ANY > email server that subscribed to SPEWS.ORG's blackhole listing. I recall a number of months ago something like this happening. In fact I think someone posted to this or the Hesketh list making a similar warning. When I contacted HE about the matter, they told me the information was in error. The original poster retracted the warning. I can't say for sure this was the same incident, but when I just queried SPEWS on HE's IP, there was no record found. My suggestion for someone considering HE is just call them. They'll answer 24/7 and talk to you even if you're not a customer. I also know from the security they impose on my hosted mailing scripts that they do take spam pretty seriously. ------------- Regards, Bob Haroche O n P o i n t S o l u t i o n s www.OnPointSolutions.com From ken at adOpenStatic.com Mon Feb 24 23:26:01 2003 From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Mon Feb 24 23:26:01 2003 Subject: OT Google WAS Re: [thelist] tinyURL usage References: <001d01c2dc6f$899c2ef0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: <069501c2dc8e$660d9c70$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> ...and you to can have your own little piece of google. :-) http://www.google.com/appliance/hardware.html Cheers Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "rudy" Subject: Re: [thelist] tinyURL usage : > Imagine typing into your computer "ESPN Hockey Scores" instead of : > "http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/scoreboard." : : we got this already : : it's called google : : and in this particular example, it actually works! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From hblair at hotfootmail.com Mon Feb 24 23:52:01 2003 From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair) Date: Mon Feb 24 23:52:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] What characters to 'escape' Perl? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030224201054.037887f0@baratta.com> Message-ID: <004e01c2dc92$29158f90$6601a8c0@transportgx> > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Anthony Baratta > On Behalf Of Tobyn Baugher I can't thank you folks enough! THANKS. Both of you showed me how bad this original code was - and how I could make it so much better. Plus, it made it easier for me to modify. You've given me my best Perl lesson so far. Gracias Hugh From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Tue Feb 25 00:09:01 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Tue Feb 25 00:09:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] A:Active Working Example? In-Reply-To: <005b01c2dc3f$070ce090$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47C8@smtmb.tmc.local> <20030224191332.GA2347@debian> <005b01c2dc3f$070ce090$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: <20030225060816.GC1832@debian> On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 02:57:28PM -0500, rudy wrote: > >> BTW, is css case sensitive? a.something vs. A.something? > >> I would really like to see a working example. Thanks efolk. > > > > Yes, it is case sensitive. > > > > Here's an example: > > http://careermatters.tvo.org/highschool/other.phtml > > i see only lower case selectors in careermatters.css Yes. My point is that A.classname should NOT match a tag that is spelled it should match a tag that is spelled . The page that I gave was an example of how one could use a "current page" class to denote what page the user was on, which I believe is what was requested by the original question. nav nav <--- current page is clickable (which I like, other examples have removed the link, which I don't like) AND looks different. nav The page above (when first written, I have no idea how it's done now) checks what the $PHP_SELF is and if the link href matches $PHP_SELF it adds whatever the class is for "here"ness. > i believe a.something and A.something will both work, and both will select > links that are coded either A or a My understanding is that A.something and a.something are NOT actually going to match the same thing. Remember that XHTML is case sensitive. HTML may be more forgiving. > emma, in that style sheet, is says > /* NOTES ABOUT LINKS > These links match too much in proper CSS because of > anchors. In proper format these would be > a[href] to match links with an attribute of "href". */ > a:link, a:visited { ... } > a:active { ... } > a:hover { ... } > and yet the style sheet has no rule for a If I remember correctly that style sheet is saying that I couldn't add a rule for "a" because it added styling to all AS WELL AS all . Make a test page with and make a CSS rule for "a" and then view it in Mozilla, you'll see what I mean. The (usually a header) will behave the same way as the links. I don't work on the site anymore and those style sheets are well over a year old. > then you "override" and/or add styles for links, i.e. a:link and a:visited Technically the pseudo classes (link, visited, hover, active) shouldn't override the "a" definition as a pseudo class doesn't have any extra weight when dealing with conflicting rules. http://xtrinsic.com/geek/articles/workfiles/links.html IF the a definition comes AFTER the pseudo class definition, the pseudo class definitions will be ignored. This is why you're supposed to write link definitions in the order: a (things in common to all) a:link a:visited a:hover a:active (aka: LoVe HAte) More on pseudo classes: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/articles/webrev/200102.html http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#anchor-pseudo-classes calculating conflicting rules: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#cascading-order emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca Tue Feb 25 00:27:01 2003 From: aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca (Aleem Bawany) Date: Tue Feb 25 00:27:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] tinyURL usage In-Reply-To: <001d01c2dc6f$899c2ef0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: <002c01c2dc8e$dbee00b0$0a00a8c0@Aleem> > we got this already > > it's called google > > and in this particular example, it actually works! > adding on to that, here's the quicksearch ( http://cryo.gen.nz/articles/ie/search/ ) for google (I'm feeling lucky): http://www.google.com/search?btnI=1&q=%s Now if only, someone could only tell me how to change my default search engine from MS to google (I tried everything at http://www.google.com/options/defaults.html ) including manual registry changes. I'm on WinXP Pro/IE6.0.2800.1106.xpsp1 aleem [ http://aleembawany.com/ ] From pandion at gmx.net Tue Feb 25 00:43:00 2003 From: pandion at gmx.net (pandy) Date: Tue Feb 25 00:43:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Re: formatting text in a SELECT OPTION In-Reply-To: <20030224193746.30035.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030224192839.1711.qmail@mail.webworks.ie> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030225074118.0301c008@mail.gmx.net> > > why not do something like this? > > > This works in Mozilla, I believe, but not IE (can't test atm - my X > is broken). It shouldn't. OPTION can only contain plain text AFAIK. pandy From daniel at ionize.net Tue Feb 25 02:10:00 2003 From: daniel at ionize.net (danielEthan) Date: Tue Feb 25 02:10:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] tinyURL usage In-Reply-To: <001d01c2dc6f$899c2ef0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] On Monday, Feb 24, 2003, at 19:44 America/Chicago, rudy wrote: >> Imagine typing into your computer "ESPN Hockey Scores" instead of >> "http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/scoreboard." > > we got this already > > it's called google > > and in this particular example, it actually works! > > But the extra step? Why? Not to mention the sifting of pages, looking for what you *know* you want. What still amazes me is that sports.espn.go.com is solely for the sake of humans; all the network needs is 199.181.134.151. Newsgroups are still infinitely better in this arena, imho. But this may be a cultural thing. To a native Latin* speaker, it may make perfect sense. To me, I want to com.go.espn.sports. No, I want to net.some.sweet.dreams. * I was going to use the French Language, where adjectives and nouns are reversed versus English, i.e. "The Bus Red." But in speaking French, it's still often Noun + Verb + Object. That left Latin (the only example I know of) and Yoda. Do you have beautifully manicured bookmarks you've culled over the years? Don't forget to back them up as well. As well... right? -- From daniel at ionize.net Tue Feb 25 02:11:01 2003 From: daniel at ionize.net (danielEthan) Date: Tue Feb 25 02:11:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] tinyURL usage In-Reply-To: <001d01c2dc6f$899c2ef0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] On Monday, Feb 24, 2003, at 19:44 America/Chicago, rudy wrote: >> Imagine typing into your computer "ESPN Hockey Scores" instead of >> "http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/scoreboard." > > we got this already > > it's called google > > and in this particular example, it actually works! > > But the extra step? Why? Not to mention the sifting of pages, looking for what you *know* you want. What still amazes me is that sports.espn.go.com is solely for the sake of humans; all the network needs is 199.181.134.151. Newsgroups are still infinitely better in this arena, imho. But this may be a cultural thing. To a native Latin* speaker, it may make perfect sense. To me, I want to com.go.espn.sports. No, I want to net.some.sweet.dreams. * I was going to use the French Language, where adjectives and nouns are reversed versus English, i.e. "The Bus Red." But in speaking French, it's still often Noun + Verb + Object. That left Latin (the only example I know of) and Yoda. Do you have beautifully manicured bookmarks you've culled over the years? Don't forget to back them up as well. As well... right? -- From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Tue Feb 25 02:57:01 2003 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Tue Feb 25 02:57:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] mysql_query + php Message-ID: can anone say why this doesn't work? When I say work I mean pull in the records from city and display them? "; $result=mysql_query("$DBName","SELECT City, CityID FROM city ORDER BY City"); while ($row = mysql_fetch_array($result)) { echo ""; } echo ""; ?> Andrew From kverens at contactjuggling.org Tue Feb 25 03:38:01 2003 From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens) Date: Tue Feb 25 03:38:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] mysql_query + php In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E5B3827.8000506@contactjuggling.org> Andrew Maynes wrote: > can anone say why this doesn't work? When I say work I mean pull in the records > from city and display them? > > require("connection.php"); > > mysql_connect("$DBHost","$DBUser","$DBPass"); > > echo ""; >> >> $result=mysql_query("$DBName","SELECT City, CityID FROM city ORDER BY City"); > >As I said yesterday - $DBName is not initialised. >Replace the line above with: >$result=mysql_query('SELECT City,CityID FROM city ORDER BY City'); From rusco_p_cotrain at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 25 04:15:01 2003 From: rusco_p_cotrain at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?rusco=20cotrain?=) Date: Tue Feb 25 04:15:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] .NET Hosting in UK suggestions Message-ID: <20030225101528.94757.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> -- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So far the suggestion of www.titanhosts.net looks pretty good. Spoke to them last night - v.helpful. I'm sure though through the vastness of the Evolt list there must be some more users of .NET hosts based in the UK ? Any suggestions greatly appreciated. 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If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. From tech at antix.co.uk Tue Feb 25 04:59:01 2003 From: tech at antix.co.uk (Anthony Johnston - Antix) Date: Tue Feb 25 04:59:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] css percentages Message-ID: With the standards on boxes as they are I cannot get a flush 100% width bordered div - is this right?
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will make the screen scroll. is there a work around... about? TA, Ant. ___________________________________________________________ Anthony Johnston Antix Software Limited http://www.antix.co.uk From kverens at contactjuggling.org Tue Feb 25 05:07:02 2003 From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens) Date: Tue Feb 25 05:07:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] css percentages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E5B4D0D.50803@contactjuggling.org> Anthony Johnston - Antix wrote: > With the standards on boxes as they are I cannot get a flush > 100% width bordered div - is this right? > >
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> will make the screen scroll. > > is there a work around... about? TA, Ant. I think the problem here is the border - first off, you've set it outside the style definition, which is incorrect, but also when you specify a width, the border is added to that width - so a box with width 100% and borders 2px is actually 100%+4px in size (not counting margins). By default,
is display:block, which is 100% width - you don't need to specify it as 100% width. Try removing the padding and margin from , which may help with what you want. btw: even if the border had been in the
, it wouldn't have worked as you didn't define a colour. By default, the colour of the border is transparent. -- Kae Verens _______\_ webworks.ie pay: www.webworks.ie _____\\__ webhosts play: www.contactjuggling.org ___\\\___ design kae: kverens.contactjuggling.org _\\\\____ code From web2k2 at premonition.co.uk Tue Feb 25 05:11:01 2003 From: web2k2 at premonition.co.uk (Geoff Sheridan) Date: Tue Feb 25 05:11:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] css percentages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:03 am +0000 25/2/03, Anthony Johnston - Antix wrote: >With the standards on boxes as they are I cannot get a flush >100% width bordered div - is this right? > >
lalala
>will make the screen scroll. > >is there a work around... about? TA, Ant. Divs are 100% width by default - just leave that declaration out!
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If your situation is more complex than this you might want to look at one of the box model hacks: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BoxModelHack Geoff From kverens at contactjuggling.org Tue Feb 25 05:18:00 2003 From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens) Date: Tue Feb 25 05:18:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] css percentages In-Reply-To: <3E5B4D0D.50803@contactjuggling.org> References: <3E5B4D0D.50803@contactjuggling.org> Message-ID: <3E5B4FAA.3080206@contactjuggling.org> Kae Verens wrote: > Anthony Johnston - Antix wrote: > >> With the standards on boxes as they are I cannot get a flush >> 100% width bordered div - is this right? >> >>
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>> will make the screen scroll. >> >> is there a work around... about? TA, Ant. you know - I forgot to propose a solution... how about this:
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This pulls in the box enough that the border brings it flush to 100% again. -- Kae Verens _______\_ webworks.ie pay: www.webworks.ie _____\\__ webhosts play: www.contactjuggling.org ___\\\___ design kae: kverens.contactjuggling.org _\\\\____ code From tech at antix.co.uk Tue Feb 25 05:26:01 2003 From: tech at antix.co.uk (Anthony Johnston - Antix) Date: Tue Feb 25 05:26:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] css percentages In-Reply-To: <3E5B4D0D.50803@contactjuggling.org> Message-ID: wasn't real code, but ta anyway, what I'm trying to get at is; using percentages on floated items will never give you a flush to the screen effect - when you add a border. which if is so - is weird, (please say it isn't so). nother e.g. lalala lalala Ant. >-----Original Message----- >From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Kae Verens >Sent: 25 February 2003 11:02 >To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >Subject: Re: [thelist] css percentages > > >Anthony Johnston - Antix wrote: >> With the standards on boxes as they are I cannot get a flush >> 100% width bordered div - is this right? >> >>
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>> will make the screen scroll. >> >> is there a work around... about? TA, Ant. > >I think the problem here is the border - first off, you've set it >outside the style definition, which is incorrect, but also when you >specify a width, the border is added to that width - so a box with width >100% and borders 2px is actually 100%+4px in size (not counting margins). > >By default,
is display:block, which is 100% width - you don't need >to specify it as 100% width. > >Try removing the padding and margin from , which may help with >what you want. > >btw: even if the border had been in the
, it wouldn't have worked >as you didn't define a colour. By default, the colour of the border is >transparent. > >-- >Kae Verens From web2k2 at premonition.co.uk Tue Feb 25 05:46:01 2003 From: web2k2 at premonition.co.uk (Geoff Sheridan) Date: Tue Feb 25 05:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] css percentages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:31 am +0000 25/2/03, Anthony Johnston - Antix wrote: >wasn't real code, but ta anyway, what I'm trying to get >at is; using percentages on floated items will never give >you a flush to the screen effect - when you add a border. > >which if is so - is weird, (please say it isn't so). It ain't so. Try it!: none
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Geoff From tech at antix.co.uk Tue Feb 25 05:58:01 2003 From: tech at antix.co.uk (Anthony Johnston - Antix) Date: Tue Feb 25 05:58:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] css percentages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I tried it... -8<------------------------------------------------------------ lalala lalala --------------------------------------------------------------- this wraps with borders, doesn't without, apparently css3 will allow you to choose between the box models so that you can do this - I just don't understand what advantages this box model has. is there a dtd which will make netscape/opera adhere to the box model with internalized borders, as IE does by default? Ant. >-----Original Message----- >From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Geoff Sheridan >Sent: 25 February 2003 11:44 >To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >Cc: Anthony Johnston - Antix >Subject: RE: [thelist] css percentages > > >At 11:31 am +0000 25/2/03, Anthony Johnston - Antix wrote: >>wasn't real code, but ta anyway, what I'm trying to get >>at is; using percentages on floated items will never give >>you a flush to the screen effect - when you add a border. >> >>which if is so - is weird, (please say it isn't so). > >It ain't so. > >Try it!: > > > >none > > > >
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> > > >Geoff From chris at ecleanuk.com Tue Feb 25 06:04:01 2003 From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh) Date: Tue Feb 25 06:04:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Netscape/Session variable problem In-Reply-To: <005f01c2dc39$ff3364c0$38c52a18@userf1xcwzruul> Message-ID: <000001c2dcc6$19e0bf70$d700000a@dev01> > Am having a weird problem in Netscape only. Have a shopping > cart with items, and a Session variable that keeps count of > the items. When the user goes to the order processing page > for the first time using Netscape, the cart items are not > there. However, going back to get an item and then to the > order processing page, the item is then there. This does not > happen in IE. I have looked at the code until I am seeing > double. Any hints as to why the Session variable doesn't get > read the first time? My immediate guess with no additional data would be caching problems of some sort. Have you tried disabling caching? Also check your cookie settings. Have you got a URL to test? Regards Chris Marsh From digiscape at live.com.au Tue Feb 25 06:11:01 2003 From: digiscape at live.com.au (Jason Turnbull) Date: Tue Feb 25 06:11:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] css percentages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c2dcc7$12535910$4e4986cb@xp> Hi Im usually a lurker here :) But I just tried the example below using 100% width (with the float:right) And no scroll bar appear in IE6, NN4.7, Netscape 7, Mozilla 1.3b and Opera 7 Without the float:right scroll bars do not appear in IE6, NN 4.7 and Opera 7 Jason Turnbull > > It ain't so. > > Try it!: > > > > none > > > >
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> > > > Geoff From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Tue Feb 25 06:34:00 2003 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Tue Feb 25 06:34:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] MySQL & PHP in English In-Reply-To: <3E5B5926.5020606@contactjuggling.org> Message-ID: If someone could write or recommend a book that is written in English that explains MySQL and PHP (not a beginners book) I would gladly appreciate it. I understand advanced PHP and MySQL si what I would like is a book that goes beyond the geek speak and puts a level of understand across in English and not something that provides solutions to problems that don't exist! Andrew From r937 at interlog.com Tue Feb 25 06:51:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue Feb 25 06:51:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] MySQL & PHP in English References: Message-ID: <002501c2dccc$b3af89a0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > ... and not something that provides solutions to problems that don't exist! feeling frustrated? ;o) actually, it's quite alright nothing wrong with wanting a web database book "in english" would you like to know what i want? i'd like to write that web database book "in english" i think i'd do pretty good -- i do have a wealth of experience moreover, a lot of that experience is explaining it to web developers pride is indeed a sin, but i think my writing is pretty good, too only two things left for me to do first, find a publisher actually, i already have one -- hi glasshaus! (they read thelist, too) but another publisher couldn't hurt fight amongst yourselves, eh second, decide which problems that do exist i want to write about that was your frustration, wasn't it? books that don't cover situations that actually occur in your life? well, now i'm frustrated author to reader is one to many, right? so, of the many, which problems should i write my book about? seriously -- if anybody has ideas, please send offlist, i'm collecting ;o) rudy From kverens at contactjuggling.org Tue Feb 25 07:12:00 2003 From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens) Date: Tue Feb 25 07:12:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] MySQL & PHP in English In-Reply-To: <002501c2dccc$b3af89a0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> References: <002501c2dccc$b3af89a0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: <3E5B6A34.5080502@contactjuggling.org> rudy wrote: >>... and not something that provides solutions to problems that don't > exist! > actually, i already have one -- hi glasshaus! (they read thelist, too) you know - I was just about to mention their book "Dreamweaver MX: PHP Web Development", which I'll be working through carefully to learn Dreamweaver (I usually use 'vi', but that's annoying my co-workers). The MySQL and PHP introductions are very clear - a lot clearer than some other books. personally, I believe that the best book of PHP/MySQL would be simply a huge list of optimization tips covering efficient code writing, writing modular code (PHP tends to be write once, throw away), and more in depth stuff like the difference between " and ' (it sometimes annoys me to see so many people misusing them), and proper usage of the ternary operator. if you are developing online and offline at the same time, and want to use different configuration options based on whether you're on or off, you can use the ternary operator to write clear code which describes the difference. For example: $online=(ereg('.local',$HTTP_HOST))?0:1; $dirroot=($online)? '/dir/to/online/site/' : '/dir/to/test/site/' ; oh - here's a nifty JavaScript soliloquay intro: theQuestion=(2*b||!2*b)?that:this; -- Kae Verens _______\_ webworks.ie pay: www.webworks.ie _____\\__ webhosts play: www.contactjuggling.org ___\\\___ design kae: kverens.contactjuggling.org _\\\\____ code From gozz at gozz.com Tue Feb 25 07:14:16 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Tue Feb 25 07:14:16 2003 Subject: [thelist] JS for creating html styles/links Message-ID: <2AF1813A-48C3-11D7-839F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> I'm figuring there has to be lots of JavaScripts available that will allow non-html-savy people to insert
tags, etc into s. I've seen a few good ones that were Active-X controls, and one Flash one that was excellent: looks like a mini-version of Word. But don't want to go that route. Want DOM-compliant JavaScript! Would do it myself, but am coming up with a quote and am seeing I need to efficiently cut corners. Suggestions? ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From joshua at waetech.com Tue Feb 25 07:24:01 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Tue Feb 25 07:24:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] DHTML: Need help making menus work on Mac IE References: <12457602-4833-11D7-9F47-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <015a01c2dcd1$1a905f60$0300a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Mattheis" <gozz at gozz.com> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:03 PM > The top level menus jiggle a bit onmouseover, but this seems to be > fixed by adding: > > li { > width:150px; > } > > as the first list related style definition. Erik, Thank you for the insight. Since hardcoding the widths is out of the question I decided to have the JS copy the offsetWidth into style.width during the attachEvents function. Worked like a charm. Thank you! -joshua From markus at interactive-webdesign.com Tue Feb 25 08:00:01 2003 From: markus at interactive-webdesign.com (Markus Staas) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:00:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] PHP: How to detect a line break in a textfield In-Reply-To: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCKEAMEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> Message-ID: <000001c2dcd6$5bcf2790$0e0310ac@wt591251> Hi All, Probably a very simple question for the pro's but a very complicated task for me: Could you tell me how I can detect a line break that was imposed by the user by pressing the "Enter" or "Return" key when filling a multi line textfield in an HTML form? I believe in ASP its something like "CRLF" or so. Cheers, Markus From bird at koolfish.com Tue Feb 25 08:01:00 2003 From: bird at koolfish.com (Bird) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:01:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic drive slideshow script. Message-ID: <003701c2dcdf$a3e1fef0$50429cca@canthainet.com> I have a dynamic drive slideshow script on a villa site. Its been on there for a couple of years. Now for some reason its just stopped functioning and I have no idea why. The local copy on my machine works so I tried deleting the html page on the server and just uploading the local copy again but still no joy. Please can someone test the page in IE. The photos should change to the next one in random patterns. At the moment they don't even flip to the next one without a really long pause or the slide show gets stuck altogether. Can any one also tell me why its doing this after working for two years and how to fix it because I don't have a clue. http://www.villachiangmai.com/html_pages/photo.html Thanks Lisa From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Tue Feb 25 08:06:00 2003 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:06:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic drive slideshow script. In-Reply-To: <003701c2dcdf$a3e1fef0$50429cca@canthainet.com> Message-ID: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCCEBDEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> I would contact the host for the site this sounds like a server issue Andrew >To: the list >Subject: [thelist] Dynamic drive slideshow script. > > >I have a dynamic drive slideshow script on a villa site. Its been on >there for a couple of years. Now for some reason its just stopped >functioning and I have no idea why. The local copy on my machine works >so I tried deleting the html page on the server and just uploading the >local copy again but still no joy. > >Please can someone test the page in IE. The photos should change to the >next one in random patterns. At the moment they don't even flip to the >next one without a really long pause or the slide show gets stuck >altogether. >Can any one also tell me why its doing this after working for two years >and how to fix it because I don't have a clue. > >http://www.villachiangmai.com/html_pages/photo.html > > >Thanks > >Lisa > From chris at ecleanuk.com Tue Feb 25 08:07:00 2003 From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:07:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] PHP: How to detect a line break in a textfield In-Reply-To: <000001c2dcd6$5bcf2790$0e0310ac@wt591251> Message-ID: <000601c2dcd7$3eb5b3d0$d700000a@dev01> Markus > Probably a very simple question for the pro's but a very > complicated task for me: Could you tell me how I can detect a > line break that was imposed by the user by pressing the > "Enter" or "Return" key when filling a multi line textfield > in an HTML form? > > I believe in ASP its something like "CRLF" or so. vbCrLf in VB[Script]. Assuming you're using VBScript with ASP, then you could (for example) substitute html tags for line breaks thus: sText = Request.Form("Text") sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf, "<br />") Or: sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf & vbCrLf, "</p>" & vbCrLf & "<p>") sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf, "<br />" & vbCrLf) sText = "<p>" & vbCrLf & sText & vbCrLf & "</p>" & vbCrLf HTH Regards Chris Marsh From chris at ecleanuk.com Tue Feb 25 08:09:01 2003 From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:09:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] PHP: How to detect a line break in a textfield In-Reply-To: <000001c2dcd6$5bcf2790$0e0310ac@wt591251> Message-ID: <000701c2dcd7$a1ebcde0$d700000a@dev01> Of course had I actually read the subject line I would have noticed that PHP was the technology being used. Sorry:( Regards Chris Marsh <tip type='ASP' author='Chris Marsh'> When generating HTML from scripts, make sure that Carriage Return/Line Feeds are inserted judiciously. It is far more difficult tracking down problems when your HTML output is on one long line. </tip> From kverens at contactjuggling.org Tue Feb 25 08:14:01 2003 From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:14:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] PHP: How to detect a line break in a textfield In-Reply-To: <000701c2dcd7$a1ebcde0$d700000a@dev01> References: <000701c2dcd7$a1ebcde0$d700000a@dev01> Message-ID: <3E5B78BE.4080206@contactjuggling.org> Chris Marsh wrote: > Of course had I actually read the subject line I would have noticed that > PHP was the technology being used. Sorry:( of course, I didn't read the subject line, so ignored the message. $text=preg_replace('/\n|\r|\n\r/','<br />',$text); or, just use nl2br(); -- Kae Verens _______\_ webworks.ie pay: www.webworks.ie _____\\__ webhosts play: www.contactjuggling.org ___\\\___ design kae: kverens.contactjuggling.org _\\\\____ code From joshua at waetech.com Tue Feb 25 08:15:00 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:15:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] PHP: How to detect a line break in a textfield References: <000601c2dcd7$3eb5b3d0$d700000a@dev01> Message-ID: <019301c2dcd8$40388dd0$0300a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Marsh" <chris at ecleanuk.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:07 AM > sText = Request.Form("Text") > sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf, "<br />") > > Or: > > sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf & vbCrLf, "</p>" & vbCrLf & "<p>") > sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf, "<br />" & vbCrLf) > sText = "<p>" & vbCrLf & sText & vbCrLf & "</p>" & vbCrLf Chris, If the user is allowed to enter simple HTML in the text area, such as ordered-lists, how could you adapt this strategy to not insert <br /> between list elements? -joshua From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue Feb 25 08:16:00 2003 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:16:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] JS for creating html styles/links Message-ID: <F75Ojf43rjW9xs0J1Dt0000392b@hotmail.com> >I'm figuring there has to be lots of JavaScripts available that will >allow non-html-savy people to insert <strong> <em> <a> <p> <hx> tags, etc >into <textarea>s. I've seen a few good ones that were Active-X controls, >and one Flash one that was excellent: looks like a >mini-version of Word. But don't want to go that route. Want >DOM-compliant JavaScript! Would do it myself, but am coming up with a quote >and am seeing I need to efficiently cut corners. It's surprisingly difficult to write a cross-browser script for this. As far as I know it's not possible, for instance, to find the cursor position in the textarea in Mozilla. So in my experience it's not possible to write a cross-browser script. As to an IE-only JavaScript, why bother when there are already components that do what you want? 'DOM compliant' is very relative in the respect: for any IE compatibility whatsoever you must use a whole bloody lot of MS-proprietary stuff. My advice is to either use the ActiveX scripts (which of course will only work in IE Windows) or forget all about it. -------------------------------------------------- ppk, freelance web developer Interaction, copywriting, JavaScript, integration http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/ Column "Keep it Simple": http://www.digital-web.com/columns/keepitsimple/ W3C DOM Compatibility Table, expanded & updated http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/index.html?version5.html -------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From sbeam at syxyz.net Tue Feb 25 08:24:01 2003 From: sbeam at syxyz.net (Beam) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:24:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] Regular Expression Questions In-Reply-To: <210945233.1046129425@[192.168.0.4]> References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEPOGIAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> <210945233.1046129425@[192.168.0.4]> Message-ID: <200302250922.05289.sbeam@syxyz.net> > <jeff at members.evolt.org> wrote: > > so, next question is how to find relative and root relative links in > > the document. obviously, '<a href="(\/?[^"]+)' is far too general. > > I think you can get away with this: > > <a href="([^:"]+)" > > All absolute URLs have colons in them between the protocol and the rest > of the URL AFAIK (https?:, ftp:, mailto:), and so a URL that is lacking > them would be relative. > well, you could have a : in the path somewhere, so you could either say: ^(https?|ftp|mailto):\/\// where anything that does NOT match is a relative link, or, ^(\/?(\.\.?\/)*) which is sexier and matches things like /foo/bar ./foo/bar ../../../foo/bar but also /////wtf From casey at thecrookstons.com Tue Feb 25 08:30:01 2003 From: casey at thecrookstons.com (Casey Crookston) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:30:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] ASP: adding response.write? References: <000701c2dcd7$a1ebcde0$d700000a@dev01> Message-ID: <008f01c2dcda$641defe0$6401a8c0@papabear> I've heard of a custom script for HomeSite that will take a regular HTML page and wrap it in response.write "blah blah" Anyone by chance have this script? From r937 at interlog.com Tue Feb 25 08:31:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:31:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] PHP: How to detect a line break in a textfield References: <000601c2dcd7$3eb5b3d0$d700000a@dev01> Message-ID: <00f501c2dcda$941ac9c0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf & vbCrLf, "</p>" & vbCrLf & "<p>") > sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf, "<br />" & vbCrLf) those two lines will end up generating this for two breaks in a row -- </p><br /> <p> From pixelmech at yahoo.com Tue Feb 25 08:33:01 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:33:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] IIS directory question Message-ID: <20030225143347.82965.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, You know when you browse a folder in IIS in your browser (i.e., you might go to something like http://appdev/xs2dev/items/ where "items" is a folder on the web server) and you are allowing directory browsing so you see the list of files in a simple html page... Well I'd like to STYLE that page - but I don't know what file controls the output for it. How can I find that? TIA Tom ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From chris at ecleanuk.com Tue Feb 25 08:36:02 2003 From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:36:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] PHP: How to detect a line break in a textfield In-Reply-To: <019301c2dcd8$40388dd0$0300a8c0@client1> Message-ID: <000001c2dcdb$4d63cd50$d700000a@dev01> > > sText = Request.Form("Text") > > sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf, "<br />") > > > > Or: > > > > sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf & vbCrLf, "</p>" & vbCrLf & > "<p>") sText > > = Replace(sText, vbCrLf, "<br />" & vbCrLf) sText = "<p>" & > vbCrLf & > > sText & vbCrLf & "</p>" & vbCrLf > > If the user is allowed to enter simple HTML in the text area, > such as ordered-lists, how could you adapt this strategy to > not insert <br /> between list elements? If I had a gun at my head I'd move swiftly to the joys of regular expressions. If not, I would not allow it. In previous systems, I've had a checkbox entitled "HTML Content". If this is checked the content is deemed to include markup, thus all tags are interpretted as such. If left unchecked, and chevrons are converted to </> and line breaks are handled as above. Regards Chris Marsh From futureweb at macmail.com Tue Feb 25 08:37:05 2003 From: futureweb at macmail.com (Benjer) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:37:05 2003 Subject: [thelist] JS for creating html styles/links In-Reply-To: <2AF1813A-48C3-11D7-839F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <BA812F81.409D%futureweb@macmail.com> > and one Flash one that was excellent: looks like a > mini-version of Word. But don't want to go that route. Well take a look anyway.... http://www.joshdura.com/archives/000163.php benjer From chris at ecleanuk.com Tue Feb 25 08:39:02 2003 From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:39:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] PHP: How to detect a line break in a textfield In-Reply-To: <00f501c2dcda$941ac9c0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: <000101c2dcdb$9caeb8c0$d700000a@dev01> Rudy > > sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf & vbCrLf, "</p>" & vbCrLf & > "<p>") sText > > = Replace(sText, vbCrLf, "<br />" & vbCrLf) > > those two lines will end up generating this for two breaks in a row -- > > </p><br /> > <p> You're right. All CRLFs should be inserted at the end. My bad... Regards Chris Marsh From rlmcfarland at attbi.com Tue Feb 25 08:39:14 2003 From: rlmcfarland at attbi.com (Richard McFarland) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:39:14 2003 Subject: [thelist] oh, the irony!!!!! In-Reply-To: <01ee01c2dc80$f074b460$7145a8c0@DAX2> Message-ID: <BA803807.5EFE%rlmcfarland@attbi.com> Dear Mark, You wrote: >You obviously did not read my post carefully. I was referring to the code >used in sitepoint.com (the site) as apposed to sitepointforums.com (the >forums). I believe I did read your post carefully. In fact, I have just read it again and still find it unclear about which site you are specifically referring to. If I may snip: >NEW SitePoint.com and SitePointForums.com (this is the post title) To me, this indicates that the post is about both. >If you're a regular you would have noticed that we've just launched a brand new >site with a new logo, new information architecture, and a refined color scheme for both sitepoint.com and sitepointforums.com Ditto. Also, unless you look at the title bar, there is no immediately evident indication in the page design that you are at the forums page, ie, a separate site - they have nearly identical headers. When you write: >The new site is compliant with the latest W3C Web standards, having been >completely re-designed using CSS. The only place you'll find a table is where a >table makes sense, i.e. where there is content to display in rows and columns. ...a logical inference is that you are still speaking of both sites, since you do not specify. Of course, I know now that is not what you intended, but it is how I read it. BTW, three other people I pointed to the site independently came to the same conclusion. > By the way, we will happily accept a public apology. > I don't understand. Mark, if I thought that I had in any way actually harmed you or SitePoint, an apology would be forthcoming. Are you serious? The page your post actually appears on is a mess code-wise and its message was unclear to more than just myself. Some of us had a laugh. How does this harm you? FWIW, the new www.sitepoint.com site is very handsome. Congratulations on a job well done. Richard -- Richard McFarland <rlmcfarland at attbi.com> From mark at sitepoint.com Tue Feb 25 08:39:25 2003 From: mark at sitepoint.com (Mark Harbottle) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:39:25 2003 Subject: [thelist] oh, the irony!!!!! In-Reply-To: <BA803807.5EFE%rlmcfarland@attbi.com> Message-ID: <020001c2dc90$cc496a80$7145a8c0@DAX2> I am referring to "the site" when I talk about CSS and compliance. Most sitepoint forum members know the difference. While I agree I should have been more clear in my explanation anyone who has spent a fair amount of time on the Web would know just by looking at our forums that they are built using VBulletin. And they would know that we can not control the code that this software outputs. It's okay to laugh at our expense but first understand what you're laughing about otherwise the joke could be on you. Mark. PS: I hope you received my donation and it gets put to good use! -----Original Message----- From: Richard McFarland [mailto:rlmcfarland at attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:59 PM To: mark at sitepoint.com; thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] oh, the irony!!!!! Dear Mark, You wrote: >You obviously did not read my post carefully. I was referring to the code >used in sitepoint.com (the site) as apposed to sitepointforums.com (the >forums). I believe I did read your post carefully. In fact, I have just read it again and still find it unclear about which site you are specifically referring to. If I may snip: >NEW SitePoint.com and SitePointForums.com (this is the post title) To me, this indicates that the post is about both. >If you're a regular you would have noticed that we've just launched a brand new >site with a new logo, new information architecture, and a refined color scheme for both sitepoint.com and sitepointforums.com Ditto. Also, unless you look at the title bar, there is no immediately evident indication in the page design that you are at the forums page, ie, a separate site - they have nearly identical headers. When you write: >The new site is compliant with the latest W3C Web standards, having been >completely re-designed using CSS. The only place you'll find a table is where a >table makes sense, i.e. where there is content to display in rows and columns. ...a logical inference is that you are still speaking of both sites, since you do not specify. Of course, I know now that is not what you intended, but it is how I read it. BTW, three other people I pointed to the site independently came to the same conclusion. > By the way, we will happily accept a public apology. > I don't understand. Mark, if I thought that I had in any way actually harmed you or SitePoint, an apology would be forthcoming. Are you serious? The page your post actually appears on is a mess code-wise and its message was unclear to more than just myself. Some of us had a laugh. How does this harm you? FWIW, the new www.sitepoint.com site is very handsome. Congratulations on a job well done. Richard -- Richard McFarland <rlmcfarland at attbi.com> From jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk Tue Feb 25 08:39:51 2003 From: jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk (Jon Haworth) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:39:51 2003 Subject: [thelist] mysql_query + php Message-ID: <67DF9B67CEFAD4119E4200D0B720FA3F0241ED9F@BOOTROS> Hi Andrew, > can anone say why this doesn't work? > > $result=mysql_query("$DBName","SELECT City, CityID > FROM city ORDER BY City"); You should pass the query as the first parameter: $result = mysql_query("SELECT City, CityID FROM city ORDER BY City"); I don't think you need the other parameter unless you have two database connections open at once and you want to distinguish between them. Also, if you don't mind an additional comment that'll save you some pain later: rather than referring to the rows by number: > echo "<option value=\"$row[1]\"> $row[0] </option>"; refer to them by name, like this: echo $row["CityID"]; This will save you a couple of hours of debugging when you change the query to select different fields :-) Cheers Jon From Matthew.Koundakjian at trw.com Tue Feb 25 08:40:25 2003 From: Matthew.Koundakjian at trw.com (Koundakjian, Matthew) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:40:25 2003 Subject: [thelist] Apache and PHP problem Message-ID: <CB09535392057847A18FF9A98CE95F2C09924B@sbeca-xmb01.info.trw.com> Hi... I'm working with PHP for nearly the first time under Apache running on "Sun Linux 5". Apache is 1.3.22 and PHP is 4.0.6. Both were installed with the OS. In order for a PHP page to get rendered, I have to have a <HTML> tag in it and the file has to be executable. In other words, a file containing only <?php $myvar = "<html><body><h2>Hello World</h2></body></html>"; echo $myvar; ?> or something, fails.... while <html> <?php $myvar = "<html><body><h2>Hello World</h2></body></html>"; echo $myvar; ?> <html> works... TIA... Bye, Matt From PKOUTOUL at Fayette.k12.ky.us Tue Feb 25 08:41:00 2003 From: PKOUTOUL at Fayette.k12.ky.us (Koutoulas, Pete) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:41:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] ASP: adding response.write? Message-ID: <269EFA4D16B9C8408697D60BCE06441101567483@E165000N6> On Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:30 AM, Casey Crookston wrote: > I've heard of a custom script for HomeSite that will take a regular > HTML page and wrap it in > > response.write "blah blah" > > Anyone by chance have this script? Look here: http://www.wilk4.com/asp4hs/default.htm [ pete ] This student or staff email originated from Fayette County Public Schools in Lexington, KY. Please report instances of abuse or inappropriate content to postmaster at fcps.net From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Tue Feb 25 08:49:01 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:49:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] ASP: adding response.write? Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B25@fsjubj05> >I've heard of a custom script for HomeSite that will take a regular HTML page and wrap it in > >response.write "blah blah" > >Anyone by chance have this script? http://www20.pair.com/users/doozer/scripts/scripts.php3 Use the AddRespWrite2 script, it's better. -dave From joshua at waetech.com Tue Feb 25 08:50:02 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:50:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] PHP: How to detect a line break in a textfield References: <000001c2dcdb$4d63cd50$d700000a@dev01> Message-ID: <01d501c2dcdd$36412f80$0300a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Marsh" <chris at ecleanuk.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:36 AM > > If the user is allowed to enter simple HTML in the text area, > > such as ordered-lists, how could you adapt this strategy to > > not insert <br /> between list elements? > > If I had a gun at my head I'd move swiftly to the joys of regular > expressions. If not, I would not allow it. The reason I asked is because I've recently encountered this sort of scenario. Also, the user tortured me by putting spaces on the blank lines. Ugh. The whole paragraph replacement for double CRLF failed miserably. I ended up using Regex to replace CRLF+<whitespace>+CRLF with CFLF+CRLF prior to running the paragraph replacement. But, I didn't have the budget to work out a regex to stop the introduction of <br /> between html tags such as ordered lists, table cells, etc. Anybody care to take a stab at creating a fairly robust set of replacements to convert textarea entered text into properly formatted paragraph+br text? This was the set I used, though I'm sure it can be improved upon:  <cfset page_text = REReplace(page_text, "[ ]+", " ", "ALL")>  <cfset page_text = REReplace(page_text, "#Chr(13)##Chr(10)#[ ]*", Chr(13) & Chr(10), "ALL")>  <cfset page_text = REReplace(page_text, "^[ ]*", "", "ALL")>  <cfset page_text = Replace(page_text, Chr(13) & Chr(10) & Chr(13) & Chr(10). "</p><p>", "ALL")>  <cfset page_text = Replace(page_text, Chr(13) & Chr(10), "<br />", "ALL")>  <cfoutput> <p>#page_text#</p> </cfoutput> -joshua From casey at thecrookstons.com Tue Feb 25 08:54:01 2003 From: casey at thecrookstons.com (Casey Crookston) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:54:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] HomeSite Question References: <67DF9B67CEFAD4119E4200D0B720FA3F0241ED9F@BOOTROS> Message-ID: <009d01c2dcdd$d6453c60$6401a8c0@papabear> Does anyone know how to use custom scripts for HomeSite? I've found a script I would like to use, but I can't figure out how to run the darn thing. TIA, Casey From RRust at COVANSYS.com Tue Feb 25 08:55:01 2003 From: RRust at COVANSYS.com (RUST Randal) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:55:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] updating multiple records Message-ID: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E60042101ADE819@fth-ex02.covansys.com> Apologies to anyone who read through my post to WDL on this topic, so I'll just ask: Can anyone point me to a good article or tutorial on updating multiple records in MySQL with PHP? ---------- Randal Rust Covansys Corp. Columbus, OH From casey at thecrookstons.com Tue Feb 25 08:57:01 2003 From: casey at thecrookstons.com (Casey Crookston) Date: Tue Feb 25 08:57:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] ASP: adding response.write? References: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B25@fsjubj05> Message-ID: <00a301c2dcde$3b93af20$6401a8c0@papabear> Thanks Dave! Next question.... how do you run the script? Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: <David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [thelist] ASP: adding response.write? > >I've heard of a custom script for HomeSite that will take a regular HTML > page and wrap it in > > > >response.write "blah blah" > > > >Anyone by chance have this script? > > http://www20.pair.com/users/doozer/scripts/scripts.php3 > > Use the AddRespWrite2 script, it's better. > > -dave > -- > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jerryscannell at cox.net Tue Feb 25 09:03:01 2003 From: jerryscannell at cox.net (jerryscannell at cox.net) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:03:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts Message-ID: <20030225150352.ENOT8513.lakemtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I have a database loop that's running some ASP code. I would like the user to be able to cancel the operation cleanly. What I'm looking to do is perhaps have a "cancel" button whose onClick event sets a flag. I could then test the flag at the end of my do ... loop and gracefully exit. I can't seem to think of a scheme where a piece of data that is set by a client operation can be tested from within an ASP loop. Any ideas here? Jerry From rob.smith at THERMON.com Tue Feb 25 09:04:01 2003 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:04:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Neat Script for IE Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47D0@smtmb.tmc.local> Hi list, Try this. I just received this bit of code from Builder.com. It gives the illusion of the windows style of windows: <DIV style="width:300px;padding: 1px;background-color:menu;border:2px menu outset;"> <DIV style="filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.Gradient(gradientType=1,star tColor=4278190208,endColor=4289121008); border-bottom:2px menu solid; width:100%; color:whitesmoke; font-weight:700; font-family:Verdana; font-size:10pt; padding:1px;"> Hail Evolters!</DIV> <DIV style="width:100%; background-color:white; color:black; border:2px menu inset;"> This is where your window text goes.<BR> This will give the appearance of a normal window, but it is only an illusion. </DIV> </DIV> Rob.Smith From pixelmech at yahoo.com Tue Feb 25 09:06:00 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:06:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] HomeSite Question In-Reply-To: <009d01c2dcdd$d6453c60$6401a8c0@papabear> Message-ID: <20030225150647.56009.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com> --- Casey Crookston <casey at thecrookstons.com> wrote: > Does anyone know how to use custom scripts for HomeSite? I've > found a script I would like to use, but I can't figure out how to > run the darn thing. I believe you can find what you are looking for on this page http://www20.pair.com/users/doozer/scripts/scripts.php3 installation instructions on the left panel. HTH Tom ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bird at koolfish.com Tue Feb 25 09:12:04 2003 From: bird at koolfish.com (Bird) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:12:04 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic drive slideshow script. Message-ID: <004f01c2dce9$8f116dd0$50429cca@canthainet.com> More information: I am specifically having a problem with IE 5 versions. Someone has kindly already checked in IE 6 and says they are not having the problem i am experiencing. Thanks Lisa I have a dynamic drive slideshow script on a villa site. Its been on there for a couple of years. Now for some reason its just stopped functioning and I have no idea why. The local copy on my machine works so I tried deleting the html page on the server and just uploading the local copy again but still no joy. Please can someone test the page in IE. The photos should change to the next one in random patterns. At the moment they don't even flip to the next one without a really long pause or the slide show gets stuck altogether. Can any one also tell me why its doing this after working for two years and how to fix it because I don't have a clue. http://www.villachiangmai.com/html_pages/photo.html From gozz at gozz.com Tue Feb 25 09:15:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:15:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] JS for creating html styles/links In-Reply-To: <BA812F81.409D%futureweb@macmail.com> Message-ID: <FE6DDE4A-48D3-11D7-839F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 08:34 AM, Benjer wrote: > http://www.joshdura.com/archives/000163.php Woah ... how'd it know what fonts were activated on my system? I had no idea Flash could do that. ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From kalle at camelot.de Tue Feb 25 09:16:00 2003 From: kalle at camelot.de (kalle at camelot.de) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:16:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Apache and PHP problem In-Reply-To: <CB09535392057847A18FF9A98CE95F2C09924B@sbeca-xmb01.info.trw.com> Message-ID: <EBRQ1YXSFC0C8CASMCB9ZX1YPMXR61.3e5b8887@xerxes> > In order for a PHP page to get rendered, I have to have a <HTML> tag in it and the > file has to be executable. function header() should be Your friend.. or leave HTML tags outside of PHP code.... From bird at koolfish.com Tue Feb 25 09:17:01 2003 From: bird at koolfish.com (Bird) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:17:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic drive slideshow script. Message-ID: <005001c2dcea$36679050$50429cca@canthainet.com> Dear Andrew, "I would contact the host for the site this sounds like a server issue" Thank you, I will try this option and see what they say. Lisa From r937 at interlog.com Tue Feb 25 09:19:05 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:19:05 2003 Subject: [thelist] updating multiple records References: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E60042101ADE819@fth-ex02.covansys.com> Message-ID: <006a01c2dce1$552a19d0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > Can anyone point me to a good article or tutorial on updating multiple > records in MySQL with PHP? online excerpt from a well-regarded book -- Managing Multiple Simultaneous AUTO_INCREMENT Values http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/excerpt/mysqlckbk/index2.html?page=1 rudy From gozz at gozz.com Tue Feb 25 09:20:00 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:20:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] JS for creating html styles/links In-Reply-To: <F75Ojf43rjW9xs0J1Dt0000392b@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <B8F5F5A6-48D4-11D7-839F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 08:16 AM, Peter-Paul Koch wrote: >> I'm figuring there has to be lots of JavaScripts available that will >> allow non-html-savy people to insert <strong> <em> <a> <p> <hx> tags, >> etc >> into <textarea>s. > > It's surprisingly difficult to write a cross-browser script for this. > As far > as I know it's not possible, for instance, to find the cursor position > in > the textarea in Mozilla. > So in my experience it's not possible to write a cross-browser script. I wondered about whether one could get the selection of a textarea after I sent the mail ... however, would it not be possible to have a textarea and a "preview" section dynamically updated via innerHTML, and find the selection on that? ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Tue Feb 25 09:23:00 2003 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:23:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic drive slideshow script. In-Reply-To: <005001c2dcea$36679050$50429cca@canthainet.com> Message-ID: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCMEBJEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> Judging from the responses and the fact that it is working in some browsers and not others it could just be a browser problem and that not all browsers were crossed checked over that last 2 years? so may not be a hosting problem, in fact it probably isn't the host Andrew From futureweb at macmail.com Tue Feb 25 09:23:07 2003 From: futureweb at macmail.com (Benjer) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:23:07 2003 Subject: [thelist] JS for creating html styles/links In-Reply-To: <FE6DDE4A-48D3-11D7-839F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <BA813A3C.40B4%futureweb@macmail.com> On 25/2/03 3:15 pm, "Erik Mattheis" <gozz at gozz.com> wrote: > Woah ... how'd it know what fonts were activated on my system? I had no > idea Flash could do that. Yeh very clever! <snip> FRichTextEditor.useClientFonts() Availability Flash Player 6. Usage my_instance.useClientFonts (boolean) Parameters boolean True to use client fonts, false to not Returns Nothing. Description Method; makes the component display all of the clients fonts in the font menu of the editor. These are all of the fonts that the user has installed on their system. </snip> From casey at thecrookstons.com Tue Feb 25 09:27:01 2003 From: casey at thecrookstons.com (Casey Crookston) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:27:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] HomeSite Question References: <20030225150647.56009.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b101c2dce2$603aa190$6401a8c0@papabear> Tom & Dave, Thanks for your help. Here's where I'm at so far... I've downloaded the script I've added the custom button to the HS toolbar, and pointed it to the script. Now when I push the botton, nothing happens. Argg. Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dell'Aringa" > --- Casey Crookston <casey at thecrookstons.com> wrote: > > Does anyone know how to use custom scripts for HomeSite? I've > > found a script I would like to use, but I can't figure out how to > > run the darn thing. > > I believe you can find what you are looking for on this page > > http://www20.pair.com/users/doozer/scripts/scripts.php3 > > installation instructions on the left panel. > > HTH > > Tom From bird at koolfish.com Tue Feb 25 09:31:01 2003 From: bird at koolfish.com (Bird) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:31:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic drive slideshow script. In-Reply-To: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCMEBJEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> Message-ID: <005101c2dcec$431557e0$50429cca@canthainet.com> Thanks Andrew, The slideshow is now not working on another site that I built about a year ago and is hosted with the same company. The weird thing is that it works on my IE when viewed locally but not when it is viewed through the net. (though it worked perfectly a week ago) I have emailed support anyhow to see what they suggest. Lisa -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Maynes [mailto:andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk] Sent: 25 February 2003 22:29 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Cc: bird at koolfish.com Subject: RE: [thelist] Dynamic drive slideshow script. Judging from the responses and the fact that it is working in some browsers and not others it could just be a browser problem and that not all browsers were crossed checked over that last 2 years? so may not be a hosting problem, in fact it probably isn't the host Andrew From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue Feb 25 09:35:00 2003 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:35:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] JS for creating html styles/links Message-ID: <F10ABSCu6U5QH6PyLlc00008291@hotmail.com> >>>I'm figuring there has to be lots of JavaScripts available that will >>>allow non-html-savy people to insert <strong> <em> <a> <p> <hx> tags, etc >>>into <textarea>s. >> >>It's surprisingly difficult to write a cross-browser script for this. As >>far as I know it's not possible, for instance, to find the cursor position >>in the textarea in Mozilla. >>So in my experience it's not possible to write a cross-browser script. > >I wondered about whether one could get the selection of a textarea >after I sent the mail ... however, would it not be possible to have a >textarea and a "preview" section dynamically updated via innerHTML, and >find the selection on that? Same problem: you can find out which text the selection contains, but not where in the textarea or innerHTML the text is located. Of course you could try through indexOf(selected string) but if the string is short and common ('the ' for instance) this may return the wrong part of the textarea.value/innerHTML . Forget the JavaScript solution, it simply doesn't (yet) exist. -------------------------------------------------- ppk, freelance web developer Interaction, copywriting, JavaScript, integration http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/ Column "Keep it Simple": http://www.digital-web.com/columns/keepitsimple/ W3C DOM Compatibility Table, expanded & updated http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/index.html?version5.html -------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Tue Feb 25 09:35:30 2003 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:35:30 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic drive slideshow script. In-Reply-To: <005101c2dcec$431557e0$50429cca@canthainet.com> Message-ID: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCIEBLEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> Lisa, if you have access to another server upload it try it out there, you probably thought of this already though. Andrew > From chris at ecleanuk.com Tue Feb 25 09:39:01 2003 From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:39:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] PHP: How to detect a line break in a textfield In-Reply-To: <019301c2dcd8$40388dd0$0300a8c0@client1> Message-ID: <000001c2dce4$29f93f90$d700000a@dev01> > > sText = Request.Form("Text") > > sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf, "<br />") > > > > Or: > > > > sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf & vbCrLf, "</p>" & vbCrLf & > "<p>") sText > > = Replace(sText, vbCrLf, "<br />" & vbCrLf) sText = "<p>" & > vbCrLf & > > sText & vbCrLf & "</p>" & vbCrLf > > Chris, > > If the user is allowed to enter simple HTML in the text area, > such as ordered-lists, how could you adapt this strategy to > not insert <br /> between list elements? There is a flag somewhere; let's say a database for the sake of argument. If isHTML = False Then sText = Replace(sText, "<", "<") sText = Replace(sText, ">", ">") sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf & vbCrLf, "</p><p>") sText = Replace(sText, vbCrLf, "<br />") sText = "<p>" & sText & "</p>" End If Response.Write sText HTH Regards Chris Marsh From acidikita at yahoo.com Tue Feb 25 09:42:01 2003 From: acidikita at yahoo.com (Katryn Leigh) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:42:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] RE: Pop-Up killers (The Proximatron) In-Reply-To: <20030225041705.D7BBFBFAA@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <20030225154225.14653.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I'm new to the list (and praying dearly I don't make an against-the-etiquette mistake). I picked up on this message in the digest as it was similar to a query I had myself. > With all the great responses, I'm surprised that no > one mentioned The Proximatron. It's a simple little > proxy server that sifts though your HTTP traffic and > parses popups, ads, anything as you wish. I haven't > seen a pop-in a couple of years. It's an excellent, > piece of software. Free, easy to use, extremely > configurable, very powerful. Do you have a link to where I can download this? Many thanks, Kita. ---------------- Katryn Leigh (acidikita at yahoo.com) Enhancing old & developing new skills is a joy. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Tue Feb 25 09:44:01 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:44:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B28@fsjubj05> > I have a database loop that's running some ASP code. I would > like the user to be able to cancel the operation cleanly. > What I'm looking to do is perhaps have a "cancel" button > whose onClick event sets a flag. I could then test the flag > at the end of my do ... loop and gracefully exit. I can't > seem to think of a scheme where a piece of data that is set > by a client operation can be tested from within an ASP loop. Sounds like you want the user to click a URL in their browser and run an ASP process on the server, and while that ASP process is running have the user cancel it, right? Nope, can't do it that way, at least not that I can see. Once you kick off the ASP process you will pretty much have to wait until it is finished, unfortunately. If there were some way for IIS to register that "this user is no longer connected" then it could kill the process, but it doesn't do that. This is because every time you click a button or a link in the browser you make a *new* request to the server. HTH, -dave From pixelmech at yahoo.com Tue Feb 25 09:44:59 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:44:59 2003 Subject: [thelist] HomeSite Question In-Reply-To: <00b101c2dce2$603aa190$6401a8c0@papabear> Message-ID: <20030225154503.43297.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com> --- Casey Crookston <casey at thecrookstons.com> wrote: > I've downloaded the script > I've added the custom button to the HS toolbar, and pointed it to > the script. > > Now when I push the botton, nothing happens. I think at that point, look to the script you downloaded - maybe it doesn't work or you aren't using it right. Remember these are user built scripts, no guarantees that they work or they come with good instructions :). Just keep playing with different ones and see what you come up with, thats what I did. Tom ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From web2k2 at premonition.co.uk Tue Feb 25 09:46:01 2003 From: web2k2 at premonition.co.uk (Geoff Sheridan) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] css percentages In-Reply-To: <NCBBJFIHPGFDKMLHHKPIGEEAGMAA.tech@antix.co.uk> References: <NCBBJFIHPGFDKMLHHKPIGEEAGMAA.tech@antix.co.uk> Message-ID: <p0510030bba811462a4b3@[192.168.8.2]> At 12:02 pm +0000 25/2/03, Anthony Johnston - Antix wrote: >is there a dtd which will make netscape/opera adhere to the box >model with internalized borders, as IE does by default? No. The box model used by IE PC 5.x is wrong, according to the W3C specs. You can get IE5.x to display the boxes correctly using the hacks I suggested earlier: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BoxModelHack You cannot easily get all the other browsers to display it wrong. IE6 PC displays the box model correctly (external borders) when using a valid recent doctype. As for two 50% boxes with borders, try: http://www.premonition.co.uk/cssd/borders-test.html (four solutions - depending on your real-world application there are likely to be many more possible) Geoff From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Tue Feb 25 09:46:47 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:46:47 2003 Subject: [thelist] ASP: adding response.write? Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B29@fsjubj05> > Thanks Dave! Next question.... how do you run the script? Oh geez, I use VS.NET now... :) I believe you create a custom toolbar button in the tabstrip toolbar, and associate that button with an external script or external application. Yeah, that sounds about right... :) If that doesn't work check the Help for adding toolbar buttons. -dave From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Tue Feb 25 09:48:22 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:48:22 2003 Subject: [thelist] RE: Pop-Up killers (The Proximatron) Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B2A@fsjubj05> > > With all the great responses, I'm surprised that no > > one mentioned The Proximatron. It's a simple little > > proxy server that sifts though your HTTP traffic and > > parses popups, ads, anything as you wish. I haven't > > seen a pop-in a couple of years. It's an excellent, > > piece of software. Free, easy to use, extremely > > configurable, very powerful. > > Do you have a link to where I can download this? http://www.proxomitron.org From r937 at interlog.com Tue Feb 25 09:49:00 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:49:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] oh, the irony!!!!! References: <020001c2dc90$cc496a80$7145a8c0@DAX2> Message-ID: <001f01c2dce0$045c7b70$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > FWIW, the new www.sitepoint.com site is very handsome. > Congratulations on a job well done. +1 as the guilty party who raised the point both on your site, mark, and here in this discussion list, let me just say that you guys have done a great job in the redesign of the sites nice job applying the new design to your version of vbulletin, too and sure, you don't want to rewrite its engine, i don't blame you but i have composed several hundred posts on sitepointforums, and never resorted to font tags yours must have come in by pasting from some html editor i do understand how it happened (and richard perhaps did not, erroneously assuming that the font tags were all over the site, and not just in your announcement message) i just thought that pasting in font tags from some html editor when the subject was w3c standards was a bit ironic the criticism is unwarranted if applied to the entire site, and i apologize i shall enjoy the new design and intend to continue visiting the forums and contributing frequently keep up the good work rudy From abdullah at uxdg.com Tue Feb 25 09:53:00 2003 From: abdullah at uxdg.com (Abdullah Shaikh) Date: Tue Feb 25 09:53:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dedicated/virtual private servers References: <BA7FEEAC.29A0%evolt@protocol0.com> <004e01c2dc46$8c09f740$0100a8c0@OFFICE> <004901c2dc87$70722660$7100a8c0@uxDell> <003301c2dc8d$4fcb2cd0$0100a8c0@OFFICE> Message-ID: <009a01c2dce5$eea66920$7100a8c0@uxDell> I can tell you for a FACT that it wasn't in error -- since I experienced it first-hand. HE's position on it was similar - 'It happens to everyone.' However, the reason that exacerbated the codition to the point of me leaving was that it took their supposed 24/7 Tech Support a total of 14 days to RESPOND to my request for help. Their "Solution" was to assign me a new /24 block of IP addresses outside of their blacklisted block. So that would mean that I would have to change DNS information for EACH AND EVERY domain that I was hosting in my rack, and be subject to 24-36 hour downtime while DNS propagated. I would also have to go in and change ALL my firewall rules, as well as re-enumerate all the IP info on my hardware. This wouldn't have been the most optimal of scenarios, but at least it was a start (considering the 14 days that I kept hounding them for help and got NO reply). But, what really pissed me off to the point of cancelling -- when they first reassigned me a new netblock, they assigned one that was INSIDE the original blacklisted block. This, combined with several instances of my rack being left open by their staff (one time because the NOC Monkies there were too busy playing Unreal Tournament -- I know this because I went back to the facility because I forgot to do something, sure enough, rack was left open, because NOC guy was at his computer playing.) All kinds of stuff like this... Bottom line -- while they may have cheap prices and a fairly decent network (Kudos on that actually) -- their staff are not trained, not certified, unprofessional. Definitely a reflection of the mangement and business mantra as a whole. Look, you get what you pay for right? If you are willing to put your business and the business of your customers at risk to save a few bucks a month, then by all means, go with HE. On the other hand, if that sort of stuff is important to you, do some more homework. - A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Haroche" <spambait at onpointsolutions.com> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] Dedicated/virtual private servers > I recall a number of months ago something like this happening. In fact > I think someone posted to this or the Hesketh list making a similar > warning. When I contacted HE about the matter, they told me the > information was in error. The original poster retracted the warning. From mail at webmarketingworx.com Tue Feb 25 10:19:00 2003 From: mail at webmarketingworx.com (Bill Haenel) Date: Tue Feb 25 10:19:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] HomeSite Question In-Reply-To: <00b101c2dce2$603aa190$6401a8c0@papabear> Message-ID: <NEBBKJHBCLFCFFMCEMFIOEAPEPAA.mail@webmarketingworx.com> > I've downloaded the script > I've added the custom button to the HS toolbar, and pointed it to the > script. > > Now when I push the botton, nothing happens. It's going to be a bit tricky to troubleshoot here. But if we knew which script and where it came from (url?) perhaps someone here on thelist may have worked with it before and could offer suggestion. BH From roselli at earthlink.net Tue Feb 25 10:31:01 2003 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue Feb 25 10:31:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] oh, the irony!!!!! In-Reply-To: <020001c2dc90$cc496a80$7145a8c0@DAX2> References: <BA803807.5EFE%rlmcfarland@attbi.com> Message-ID: <200302251554.h1PFs03b028078@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Mark Harbottle" <mark at sitepoint.com> [...] > PS: I hope you received my donation and it gets put to good use! hey, this thread suddenly got a lot more interesting! more donations, anyone? thanks, mark... while i can't verify the donation to evolt.org (is that where it went? if not, can i guilt you into it?) because i don't handle that end, i can certainly say thanks... -- my latest book project: Web Graphics for Non-Designers http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151159/evoltorg02-20 ISBN: 1904151159 From tech at antix.co.uk Tue Feb 25 11:18:00 2003 From: tech at antix.co.uk (Anthony Johnston - Antix) Date: Tue Feb 25 11:18:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] css percentages In-Reply-To: <20030225165542.GP624@debian> Message-ID: <NCBBJFIHPGFDKMLHHKPIIEGJGMAA.tech@antix.co.uk> emma>Is there a specific reason you want to use floats? yea, complex forms, getting there now with a lot less hair than this morning tho' I found that if you count the width as 95% rather than 100% you can get the effect I was looking for... (first line of the form, same principle applies for subsequent lines) <style type='text/css'> </style> <div class='header'>My form</div> <form> <table id='tblId' class='panel'> <tr> <th class='label' width='100'> <label for='id'>id</label> </th> <td class='control' width='*'> <div>3</div> </td> </tr> </table> <table id='tblName' class='panel'> <tr> <th class='label' width='100'> <label for='name'>name</label> </th> <td class='control' width='*'> <input name='name' /> </td> </tr> </table> <div class='footer'><input type='submit'></div> </form> basically as the screen sizes the form field size too to take advantage of larger screen resolutions. I used table for the 'control panels' because you can set a text box to 100% and it will fill the available size works nicely on ie6 and ns7 working on the graceful degredation to older browsers Cheers now, Ant. >-----Original Message----- >From: Emma Jane Hogbin [mailto:emmajane at xtrinsic.com] >Sent: 25 February 2003 16:56 >To: tech at antix.co.uk >Subject: Re: [thelist] css percentages > > >On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 11:31:22AM -0000, Anthony Johnston - Antix wrote: >> wasn't real code, but ta anyway, what I'm trying to get >> at is; using percentages on floated items will never give >> you a flush to the screen effect - when you add a border. > >Generally floats are worse than impossible to get right. :/ I find it much >easier to do plain ol' positioned divs. Is there a specific reason you >want to use floats? > >emma > >-- >Emma Jane Hogbin >[[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From p+evolt at redbrick.dcu.ie Tue Feb 25 11:19:00 2003 From: p+evolt at redbrick.dcu.ie (Kevin Cannon) Date: Tue Feb 25 11:19:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] synching sites/software Message-ID: <20030225171946.A24485@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> Hey all, I at m looking for soem (preferably free) software so that I can sync my website to a server. I know you can setup rsync for window,s but it seems very difficult. Also, I don't want to use dreamweavers version of it. Also, it needs to be secure ssh/sftp/scp - Kevin, asking alot From tech at antix.co.uk Tue Feb 25 11:21:01 2003 From: tech at antix.co.uk (Anthony Johnston - Antix) Date: Tue Feb 25 11:21:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] css percentages In-Reply-To: <p0510030bba811462a4b3@[192.168.8.2]> Message-ID: <NCBBJFIHPGFDKMLHHKPIIEGKGMAA.tech@antix.co.uk> >The box model used by IE PC 5.x is wrong. not wrong - just before its time, will be in css3 Ant. ;) ps. thanks for the links will try them now. >-----Original Message----- >From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Geoff Sheridan >Sent: 25 February 2003 15:41 >To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >Cc: Anthony Johnston - Antix >Subject: RE: [thelist] css percentages > > >At 12:02 pm +0000 25/2/03, Anthony Johnston - Antix wrote: >>is there a dtd which will make netscape/opera adhere to the box >>model with internalized borders, as IE does by default? > >No. The box model used by IE PC 5.x is wrong, according to the W3C >specs. You can get IE5.x to display the boxes correctly using the >hacks I suggested earlier: >http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BoxModelHack >You cannot easily get all the other browsers to display it wrong. > >IE6 PC displays the box model correctly (external borders) when using >a valid recent doctype. > >As for two 50% boxes with borders, try: >http://www.premonition.co.uk/cssd/borders-test.html > >(four solutions - depending on your real-world application there are >likely to be many more possible) > >Geoff From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Tue Feb 25 11:25:01 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Tue Feb 25 11:25:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] synching sites/software In-Reply-To: <20030225171946.A24485@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> References: <20030225171946.A24485@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> Message-ID: <20030225172514.GU624@debian> On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 05:19:46PM +0000, Kevin Cannon wrote: > I know you can setup rsync for window,s but it seems very difficult. You might want to consider CVS. I doubt it'd be any easier to set up, but there is a windows client. http://www.cvshome.org/ http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ windows client I have a few sites that are updated via CVS. I absolutely love it. I haven't been able to set it up successfully on my FreeBSD server and have only been able to use other peoples' setup; however, if you can get it working, it's great. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Tue Feb 25 11:43:01 2003 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Tue Feb 25 11:43:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] synching sites/software In-Reply-To: <20030225171946.A24485@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030225123945.016af728@craftedsolutions.com> Many FTP clients will do this. For example, mine, FTP Voyager (www.ftpvoyager.com), has the following: "FTP Voyager allows you to synchronize or mirror two folders. The mirrored folder can be either remote or local. When this dialog appears, you are prompted to select a local folder. After selecting a local folder the differences appear in the two list boxes. The top list box shows the remote file differences. The bottom list box shows the local file differences. To synchronize one to match the other, simply press the "Synchronize" button in either the "Remote" or "Local" list box area. This dialog is especially useful for updating web sites. It allows you to quickly remove, add, and update files; all with the push of one button." Norman www.CraftedSolutions.com At 12:19 PM 2/25/2003, Kevin Cannon wrote: >Hey all, > >I at m looking for soem (preferably free) software so that I can sync my website >to a server. >I know you can setup rsync for window,s but it seems very difficult. ><snip> >- Kevin, asking alot From howcheng at ix.netcom.com Tue Feb 25 11:46:01 2003 From: howcheng at ix.netcom.com (Howard Cheng) Date: Tue Feb 25 11:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Baby announcement Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030225094607.00aac498@popd.ix.netcom.com> http://www.howcheng.com/amy/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Howard Cheng http://www.howcheng.com/ howcheng at ix dot netcom dot com AIM: bennyphoebe ICQ: 47319315 From hblair at hotfootmail.com Tue Feb 25 11:54:01 2003 From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair) Date: Tue Feb 25 11:54:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Baby announcement In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030225094607.00aac498@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <00c901c2dcf6$f4216510$6601a8c0@transportgx> > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Howard Cheng > > http://www.howcheng.com/amy/ Congrats! Beautiful. I hope all are well. Hugh From David.Mitchell at progestic.com Tue Feb 25 12:08:01 2003 From: David.Mitchell at progestic.com (Mitchell, David) Date: Tue Feb 25 12:08:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Baby announcement Message-ID: <DB94BDC43D41D411ACEC00D0B774CAA5EDECDE@devott01.progestic.com> Congrats Howard. Being a new dad myself, I know just how you feel! Dave From sbeam at syxyz.net Tue Feb 25 12:13:10 2003 From: sbeam at syxyz.net (Beam) Date: Tue Feb 25 12:13:10 2003 Subject: [thelist] JS for creating html styles/links In-Reply-To: <F10ABSCu6U5QH6PyLlc00008291@hotmail.com> References: <F10ABSCu6U5QH6PyLlc00008291@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <200302251311.17284.sbeam@syxyz.net> > >>It's surprisingly difficult to write a cross-browser script for this. As > >>far as I know it's not possible, for instance, to find the cursor position > >>in the textarea in Mozilla. > >>So in my experience it's not possible to write a cross-browser script. > > > >I wondered about whether one could get the selection of a textarea > >after I sent the mail ... however, would it not be possible to have a > >textarea and a "preview" section dynamically updated via innerHTML, and > >find the selection on that? > > Same problem: you can find out which text the selection contains, but not > where in the textarea or innerHTML the text is located. Of course you could > try through indexOf(selected string) but if the string is short and common > ('the ' for instance) this may return the wrong part of the > textarea.value/innerHTML . > > Forget the JavaScript solution, it simply doesn't (yet) exist. > Well, that may have been true at one time. Gecko now supports a o.selectionStart, o.selectionEnd, o.setSelectionRange() and o.textLength for form elements. Which is WAY cool cuz this has been a hangup for a while now. http://peach.syxyz.net:88/text.html above works on Moz 1.3b Linux, all Ive tested. So looks like nothing is stopping us now, right? ;) From daxi2000 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 25 12:56:01 2003 From: daxi2000 at earthlink.net (Dee, Dax Development.com) Date: Tue Feb 25 12:56:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Updating one file - multiple sites simultaneously In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47D0@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: <003501c2dd00$aee18930$0100a8c0@D1> Hi everyone! I had a discussion with a colleague last night who would like to have the ability to update one file on his computer, and then deploy the file on every one of his clients' sites simultaneously. Basically, he wrote a CMS that all of his clients use, and all of his clients are hosted on the same server. So, when he wants to update the CMS itself, he wants to be able to do a one-click upload to all the sites.....Any suggestions on how he could accomplish this? In harmony, Dee "If you can *dream* it, we can *do* it! www.daxdevelopment.com From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue Feb 25 13:04:00 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Tue Feb 25 13:04:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] Regular Expression Questions In-Reply-To: <200302241834.21690.sbeam@syxyz.net> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLMEDEGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> beam, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Beam > > > so, i guess i'm looking for a subexpression that says > > "if there are any of the characters in the range of > > a-z, 0-9, and - (the only valid characters for a > > subdomain), then they must be followed by a dot, but > > the existence of the subdomain is optional". > > this seems to work: > ^https?:\/\/([a-z0-9-]+\.)?example\.com([^"]*) ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< as does '<a href="(https?:\/\/([a-z0-9\-]+\.){0,1}example\.com[^"]+)' which i got in a phone call from a list member. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue Feb 25 13:06:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Tue Feb 25 13:06:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] Regular Expression Questions In-Reply-To: <210945233.1046129425@[192.168.0.4]> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEDFGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> tobyn, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Tobyn Baugher > > Beam's response matches roughly what I would use for > your first problem. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< yup, got that much sorted. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > so, next question is how to find relative and root > > relative links in the document. obviously, > > '<a href="(\/?[^"]+)' is far too general. > > I think you can get away with this: > > <a href="([^:"]+)" > > All absolute URLs have colons in them between the > protocol and the rest of the URL AFAIK (https?:, ftp:, > mailto:), and so a URL that is lacking them would be > relative. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< that worked a treat. i knew it would be simple. i just couldn't put my finger on what the exclusive character was. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue Feb 25 13:19:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Tue Feb 25 13:19:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] Regular Expression Questions In-Reply-To: <200302250922.05289.sbeam@syxyz.net> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEDGGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> beam, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Beam > > > <a href="([^:"]+)" > > > > All absolute URLs have colons in them between the > > protocol and the rest of the URL AFAIK (https?:, ftp:, > > mailto:), and so a URL that is lacking them would be > > relative. > > well, you could have a : in the path somewhere, [...] ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< if you do, it should be escaped. imo, the only truly valid characters in paths are a-z, 0-9, _, -, ., /, %, ?, &, =, and ;. i know that rfc 1738 (http://www.w3.org/Addressing/rfc1738.txt) states otherwise, but in our system, those are the only valid characters. so, with local links, i can safely assume that they'll never contain a colon. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > so you could either say: ^(https?|ftp|mailto):\/\// > where anything that does NOT match is a relative link, or, > ^(\/?(\.\.?\/)*) > which is sexier and matches things like > /foo/bar > ./foo/bar > ../../../foo/bar > but also > /////wtf ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< but, unfortunately, doesn't match things like 'catalog_request/' which is also a valid relative link. you and i know that ./ is semantically the same thing, but i can't expect non-html-savvy clients to get that right. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From joel at spinhead.com Tue Feb 25 13:46:01 2003 From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Tue Feb 25 13:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Creating MSWord doc and converting to PDF on the fly via ASP Message-ID: <D0E94826C140C3409057ED957D96AC4812E966@ireland.spinhead.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I just don't want to re-invent the wheel. I'm still looking, but I keep finding scraps of the answer. The scenario: visitor accesses a secure page, fills in the form, a Word document is populated with the correct info *including a watermark* and a PDF is created for the visitor to download (or it is e-mailed to them; exact delivery details aren't critical.) The Word document is optional; if we can go straight from web form to watermarked PDF, that's great. Any linkage to tutorials/info/whatever appreciated. If you know of an off-the-shelf package, we'd rather buy than build if the price is right. Tenks joel From SCaudill at municode.com Tue Feb 25 13:51:01 2003 From: SCaudill at municode.com (Stephen Caudill) Date: Tue Feb 25 13:51:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ASP] cookie question Message-ID: <8BE83ACB4413F246992E7A4EC5DC7D2B2EB471@exchange.internal.municode.com> I am trying to create a cookie that when set, at the users request, will change their default homepage on our site. i.e. instead of hitting index.asp, if the cookie is set then they receive /folder/file.asp as their initial page. The reason being that 90% of the traffic to our site goes directly to a specific page (public access to info we host for clients) and it would significantly reduce the amount of tech support our company has to do trying to tell john q how to get to a page that is always one click away... bleh. I've run into a couple of hitches with this and its probably because I'm a newbie to ASP. First, the site uses one page for the layout and calls in different content based on variables in the query string. As you are likely aware, the code for cookies must come before the <html> tag, and as there is only one <html> tag in the whole site, I was a bit flummoxed at first, so I came up with this code: home = int(request("home")) if home = 1 then response.Cookies("homepage") = "onlineCodes" response.Cookies("homepage") = "01/01/04" end if homepage=request.Cookies("homepage") if homepage = "onlineCodes" then response.Redirect("index.asp?nav=2&id=1") end if this is assuming that on the online codes page, there would be a button which would post an additional parameter in the querystring which is home=1 if the user would like that to be their default page on our site. The BIG problem being, once this cookie is set, you get stuck in a response.redirect loop. I need to ensure that only the first time per session the user hits the site, they are redirected there. Any ideas on what is a good way to do this? I'm reading up on the session object right now, but would like to know if I'm barking up the wrong tree. Thanks In Advance, Scuba Steve for those curious: http://neohero.municode.com/fusion/ and if you want to see the nifty infinite loop (in IE, but not Mozilla, cause it rox) http://neohero.municode.com/fusion/index.asp?home=1 From SCaudill at municode.com Tue Feb 25 13:55:01 2003 From: SCaudill at municode.com (Stephen Caudill) Date: Tue Feb 25 13:55:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ASP] cookie question Message-ID: <8BE83ACB4413F246992E7A4EC5DC7D2B8D2C83@exchange.internal.municode.com> Stephen Caudill wrote: > response.Cookies("homepage") = "01/01/04" Woops! that line should have read: response.Cookies("homepage").expires = "01/01/04" From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue Feb 25 13:56:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Tue Feb 25 13:56:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Creating MSWord doc and converting to PDF on the fly via ASP In-Reply-To: <D0E94826C140C3409057ED957D96AC4812E966@ireland.spinhead.com> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEDIGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> joel, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Joel Canfield > > Any linkage to tutorials/info/whatever appreciated. If > you know of an off-the-shelf package, we'd rather buy > than build if the price is right. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< http://www.activepdf.com/ enjoy, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Tue Feb 25 13:58:11 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Tue Feb 25 13:58:11 2003 Subject: [thelist] Creating MSWord doc and converting to PDF on the fl y via ASP Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B34@fsjubj05> > I just don't want to re-invent the wheel. I'm still looking, > but I keep finding scraps of the answer. The scenario: > visitor accesses a secure page, fills in the form, a Word > document is populated with the correct info *including a > watermark* and a PDF is created for the visitor to download > (or it is e-mailed to them; exact delivery details aren't > critical.) The Word document is optional; if we can go > straight from web form to watermarked PDF, that's great. Actually, from what I've read you can use XSLT to create PDF. Not sure how easy/complex this is, but if you know XSLT you are already halfway there. I would just take the form elements, convert them to an XML document in-memory, then pipe that doc through the XSLT to generate the PDF output and then response.write it out to the user (with appropriate contentType of course). I'm sure there are COM components which will convert Word to PDF. HTH, -dave From rob.smith at THERMON.com Tue Feb 25 13:59:01 2003 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Tue Feb 25 13:59:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Baby announcement Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47D1@smtmb.tmc.local> For all those dads out there wanting to do 'baby' sites, I think my brother's site for my nephew is really cool. It includes a lot of photos (albums), baby noises, sonograms, movies, clever graphics, Casper's Journal told in first person, etc. http://www.cdaustin.com/casper (there are javascript errors on the sounds page just to letchya know) Rob Congratulations Howard!!! Do you have an email address for amy yet? amy.cheng at howcheng.com? Tell all your friends at work to send an email to her and she'll read it later. see what I mean (watch the word wrap): http://www.cdaustin.com/casper/pictures/update110402/pages/09casper_iBook_10 -28-02.htm And if you want to know what I look like (again with the word wrap): http://www.cdaustin.com/casper/pictures/first3weeks/pages/robbie%20and%20cas per.htm From shawn at alterior.net Tue Feb 25 14:04:01 2003 From: shawn at alterior.net (shawn allen) Date: Tue Feb 25 14:04:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] mysql_query + php In-Reply-To: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCAEADEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> References: <3E5B3827.8000506@contactjuggling.org> <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCAEADEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030225200540.GB6440@pion.local> quoth Andrew Maynes: > I posted that in haste it is the whole connection thing you are right > > It worked when I took out "$DBName", and replaced it with -> > > mysql_select_db("$DBName"); BTW, this whole "$foo" thing is really ticking me off... There's no need to incur the overhead of variable interpolation unless you need to embed the value in another string! In this case, mysql_select_db($DBName); works just as well, without having PHP go to the trouble of parsing the string for interpolated variables. If you're concerned about the variable's type, you should either a) cast it, a la `(string) $DBName', or use one of the is_*() functions to verify the type before using it as a function argument. So, if $DBName really *must* be a string, use: mysql_select_db((string) $DBName); or: if (is_string($DBName)) mysql_select_db($DBName); else die("DBName is not a string!\n"); // or something Thanks, -- shawn allen mailto://shawn at alterior.net phone://415.577.3961 http://alterior.net aim://shawnpallen From jasonh at pavilion.co.uk Tue Feb 25 14:49:01 2003 From: jasonh at pavilion.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Tue Feb 25 14:49:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEPDGIAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <BCECILFBJDKJHANCJGJAEEGDGJAA.jasonh@pavilion.co.uk> > jason, > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > From: Jason Handby > > > > > My in-laws got this message which is apparently bogus > > > > A few links for your reading pleasure: > > > > http://www.imakenews.com/emailresults/e_article000097314.cfm > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/15717.html > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/28279.html > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > unfortunately, none of the news stories above are similar to what tom is > talking about. Ignoring your unwarranted pissiness for a moment, the reason I sent them, and felt that they might be interesting background reading, was because they all relate to bogus emails purporting to come from eBay. The first article in particular refers to a method of putting dodgy links in HTML emails and making them look innocuous, which I thought might have been relevant to Tom (as for all I know his original email might have been an HTML mail). Jason From pixelmech at yahoo.com Tue Feb 25 15:00:01 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Tue Feb 25 15:00:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web In-Reply-To: <BCECILFBJDKJHANCJGJAEEGDGJAA.jasonh@pavilion.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030225210115.31751.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jason Handby <jasonh at pavilion.co.uk> wrote: > Ignoring your unwarranted pissiness for a moment... Ok, "unwarranted pissiness" is by far the funniest term I have come across in weeks. I needed a good laugh. I'm looking forward to .jeffs defense of 'said pissiness.' <tip type="CSS - DIVs and SPANs" author="pixelmech"> Its easy for those who are beginning to get into CSS to mix up INLINE elements and BLOCK elements. Its helpful that they are self explanatory: an INLINE element works WITHIN a line of code/text that you see rendered in your browser. A BLOCK element BLOCKS off code as it were - it gives you a line break. So when you want to do something within a sentence - for example lets say you want to put a border around a word - you would do: Put a <span style="border: 1px solid red;">Border</span> on it. And the border would appear right in the middle of a sentence. Conversely, if you had used a DIV for that, the word 'border' with a border on it would be on its OWN line. This becomes even more important when you are using CSS as layout elements. So remember BLOCK gives you the break, INLINE doesn't. </tip> ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bvaradi at nlcnet.org Tue Feb 25 15:03:01 2003 From: bvaradi at nlcnet.org (Benjamin C. Varadi) Date: Tue Feb 25 15:03:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] weird domain extensions in analog? Message-ID: <180513295059.20030225160457@nlcnet.org> I've sworn by the analog (www.analog.cx) / reportmagic (www.reportmagic.org) combination for a while for log analysis, but taking a closer look at our hits for the last year or so, came across this line: .arpa (Arpanet) 938 0.1% 938 hits from Arpanet? Also had 215 from .int, and significant numbers from a whole bunch of other domain extensions that I'd never heard of... we're an international organization, so those are less surprising, but still... We also had a few hits from Amiga & Atari systems, but I'm guessing that's just fun w/ useragent strings. I'm looking for some kind of reassurance that this isn't an analog &/or server fluke, 'cause I've been relying on the numbers pretty heavily of late. Thx, -BEN -- Benjamin C. Varadi IT Coordinator National Labor Committee 275 7th Ave, Suite 1503; NYC 10001 phone: (212) 242-3002 x387 fax: (212) 242-3821 www.nlcnet.org From so.there at showtunepink.com Tue Feb 25 15:24:01 2003 From: so.there at showtunepink.com (j.d. welch) Date: Tue Feb 25 15:24:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] weird domain extensions in analog? In-Reply-To: <180513295059.20030225160457@nlcnet.org> Message-ID: <A13AF14A-4907-11D7-BAFC-000393D62E96@showtunepink.com> On Tuesday, Feb 25, 2003, at 16:04 America/New_York, Benjamin C. Varadi wrote: > taking a closer look at our hits for the last year or so, came across > this line: > > .arpa (Arpanet) 938 0.1% > 938 hits from Arpanet? no, not from arpanet, but a legitimate domain: http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/Course/Section2/15.htm > Also had 215 from .int, and significant > numbers from a whole bunch of other domain extensions that I'd never > heard of... we're an international organization, so those are less > surprising, but still... again, a valid, albeit obscure, tld: http://www.iana.org/int-dom/int.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------ J.D. Welch | so.there at showtunepink.com graphic designer | http://www.showtunepink.com web developer | http://kitschparade.ath.cx i'm available | http://www.showtunepink.com/resume.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dougal at gunters.org Tue Feb 25 16:04:00 2003 From: dougal at gunters.org (Dougal Campbell) Date: Tue Feb 25 16:04:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] IIS ASP puzzler Message-ID: <20030225150121.N88538-100000@ns2.iguanasoft.com> We recently redesigned our website, running on IIS 4. We created a new web in the MMC, and reconfigured Host Headers to point to the new directory. Everything seems to be working fine except for one particular ASP page. The page doesn't do anything terribly complex. It processes some form inputs, logs the info into a database, and sends some email. The problem is that the database updates and the email aren't working (though the same code ran on the same server in the old version of the site). By liberal use of "On Error Goto Next" and "On Error Goto 0", I've determined that the object creation for ADODB.Recordset and CDONTS.NewMail succeed. The failure doesn't occur until we try to call 'objRS.Update' or 'objMsg.Send'. The same code running under a different web instance on the same server still functions. Any clues as to what I should be looking at? <tip> Don't use IIS if you can possibly avoid it. </tip> -- Ernest MacDougal Campbell III, MCP+I, MCSE <dougal at gunters.org> http://dougal.gunters.org/ http://spam.gunters.org/ Web Design & Development: http://www.mentalcollective.com/ This message is guaranteed to be 100% eror frea! From toby at rsux.com Tue Feb 25 16:15:01 2003 From: toby at rsux.com (Tobyn Baugher) Date: Tue Feb 25 16:15:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] synching sites/software In-Reply-To: <20030225171946.A24485@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> References: <20030225171946.A24485@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> Message-ID: <63567905.1046193340@[192.168.0.4]> On Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:19 PM +0000 Kevin Cannon <p+evolt at redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote: > I at m looking for soem (preferably free) software so that I can sync my > website to a server. If you've got multiple developers working on the same site, I'd second Emma's recommendation and go with CVS. TortoiseCVS is a brilliant client that integrates right into Explorer on Windows. I use CVS to manage just about everything I consider important, from my resume to all my code. That said, if you're not already familiar with it, CVS has a bit of a learning curve. TortoiseCVS makes everything pretty friendly, but there are still some CVS concepts that need to be learned. If it's just you working on your site and you're not already familiar with CVS, I might be inclined to suggest you just get a nice FTP client. (Of course, learning how to use CVS or any source control software for that matter is a good idea in the long run) Personally, I recommend FileZilla, which has options you can set to only overwrite remote files when the local files are newer. It's not as flexible as CVS nor as efficient as rsync, but it's probably the simplest solution save mounting the server's directory with SAMBA, and the client is free software (filezilla.sf.net). > Also, it needs to be secure ssh/sftp/scp TortoiseCVS can do SSH with plink, from the same suite of programs as putty. I use this capability along with pageant and ssh public key authentication to avoid having to type my password every time I sync my files and also avoid having to store my passwords in some config file or the registry. Pretty secure. FileZilla can do its work over FTP, FTP+SSL, or SFTP, so it's got you covered too. Of course, saving your passwords in it isn't as secure as using an agent program like pageant. Regards, Toby -- Tobyn Baugher <toby at rsux.com> http://www.rsux.com aim: dieplzkthxbye icq: 14281524 efnet: toby From Anthony at Baratta.com Tue Feb 25 16:17:01 2003 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Tue Feb 25 16:17:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] IIS ASP puzzler In-Reply-To: <20030225150121.N88538-100000@ns2.iguanasoft.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225141533.02a7fcb8@baratta.com> At 02:03 PM 2/25/2003, Dougal Campbell wrote: >By liberal use of "On Error Goto Next" and "On Error Goto 0", I've >determined that the object creation for ADODB.Recordset and >CDONTS.NewMail succeed. The failure doesn't occur until we try to call >'objRS.Update' or 'objMsg.Send'. Are you getting *any* error messages with your code? Have you done a diff/compare between a working page and the non-working page to verify the code has not changed? With the objRS - are you using the correct cursor type to update the Database?? With objMsg, do all the local IPs including 127.0.0.1 have relay access rights?? -- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative." From Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com Tue Feb 25 16:18:01 2003 From: Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com (Tab Alleman) Date: Tue Feb 25 16:18:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] IIS ASP puzzler Message-ID: <748F417236D57847829976483DEBC0C1490CCF@typhoon.realmetros.realmetros.com> Dougal Campbell wrote: > Any clues as to what I should be looking at? > Do you have both Scripts and Executables enabled on the new site? From evolt at protocol0.com Tue Feb 25 16:18:17 2003 From: evolt at protocol0.com (gabriel rivera) Date: Tue Feb 25 16:18:17 2003 Subject: [thelist] IIS ASP puzzler In-Reply-To: <20030225150121.N88538-100000@ns2.iguanasoft.com> Message-ID: <BA81560C.2A8F%evolt@protocol0.com> > <tip> > Don't use IIS if you can possibly avoid it. > </tip> > Ernest MacDougal Campbell III, MCP+I, MCSE An MCSE who has found The Light! (Tip forthcoming) From webshot at members.evolt.org Tue Feb 25 16:24:01 2003 From: webshot at members.evolt.org (John Corry) Date: Tue Feb 25 16:24:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phpMyAdmin 2.4.x upload SQL In-Reply-To: <8BE83ACB4413F246992E7A4EC5DC7D2B8D2C83@exchange.internal.municode.com> Message-ID: <001801c2dd1d$3d736d00$6401a8c0@neonreactor> I've just installed the most recent version of phpMyAdmin on a new server. There has always been an option for submitting SQL to run on the server as 'or specify text file', but it's not there in the current version. What gives? I can't find anything on Google in English...anyone else run into this? Thanks, John From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue Feb 25 16:30:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Tue Feb 25 16:30:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web In-Reply-To: <BCECILFBJDKJHANCJGJAEEGDGJAA.jasonh@pavilion.co.uk> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLKEEFGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> jason, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Jason Handby > > > unfortunately, none of the news stories above are > > similar to what tom is talking about. > > Ignoring your unwarranted pissiness for a moment, [...] ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< no pissiness here -- only a unwarranted perception of it, apparently. ;p ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > the reason I sent them, and felt that they might be > interesting background reading, was because they all > relate to bogus emails purporting to come from eBay. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< yeah, i gathered that from reading them. however, i'm almost 100% sure the email in this case *did*, in fact, come from ebay. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > The first article in particular refers to a method of > putting dodgy links in HTML emails and making them look > innocuous, which I thought might have been relevant to > Tom (as for all I know his original email might have > been an HTML mail). ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< valid point. my guess, from the formatting (and my past experience in receiving emails of the same kind from ebay), is that the email was sent in plain text so the issue of html masquerading as plain text is, i believe, moot in this case. and, sense we both owe tips for what's become a waste of bandwidth, here's mine: <tip type="CSS" author=".jeff"> don't be lazy. preface your hex values with an octothorpe -- it's required by css2. "The format of an RGB value in hexadecimal notation is a '#' immediately followed by either three or six hexadecimal characters." http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/syndata.html#color-units </tip> thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From dougal at gunters.org Tue Feb 25 16:32:01 2003 From: dougal at gunters.org (Dougal Campbell) Date: Tue Feb 25 16:32:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] IIS ASP puzzler In-Reply-To: <BA81560C.2A8F%evolt@protocol0.com> Message-ID: <20030225162857.H88538-100000@ns2.iguanasoft.com> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, gabriel rivera wrote: > > <tip> > > Don't use IIS if you can possibly avoid it. > > </tip> > > > Ernest MacDougal Campbell III, MCP+I, MCSE > > An MCSE who has found The Light! I freely admit that the only reason I got the MCSE was to enhance my position in the job market :) Personally, I'd love to ditch IIS and set up a FreeBSD or Linux server with Apache. But that would mean 1) I would be the only person here who knew how to administer it, and 2) we would have to rewrite a ton of ASP applications. Point 2 wouldn't be *too* bad, though -- I've written the bulk of our ASP code in PerlScript :) But my manager wouldn't go for either one of those points (at least in the short term). Thus, we're stuck with IIS for now. -- Ernest MacDougal Campbell III, MCP+I, MCSE <dougal at gunters.org> http://dougal.gunters.org/ http://spam.gunters.org/ Web Design & Development: http://www.mentalcollective.com/ This message is guaranteed to be 100% eror frea! From paul at teltest.com Tue Feb 25 16:42:00 2003 From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett) Date: Tue Feb 25 16:42:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] phpMyAdmin 2.4.x upload SQL In-Reply-To: <001801c2dd1d$3d736d00$6401a8c0@neonreactor> References: <001801c2dd1d$3d736d00$6401a8c0@neonreactor> Message-ID: <3E5BF13B.2020801@teltest.com> John Corry wrote: >I've just installed the most recent version of phpMyAdmin on a new >server. > >There has always been an option for submitting SQL to run on the server >as 'or specify text file', but it's not there in the current version. > 1) create a database 2) select that database 3) click the "sql" tab at the top of the right frame 4) voila! > >What gives? > >I can't find anything on Google in English...anyone else run into this? > >Thanks, >John > > > -- Paul Bennett Internet Developer Teltest Electronic Design -------------------------- Phone : 64 4 237 0767 Web : http://www.teltest.com Wap : http://wap.teltest.com Email : paul at teltest.com -------------------------- From dougal at gunters.org Tue Feb 25 16:45:00 2003 From: dougal at gunters.org (Dougal Campbell) Date: Tue Feb 25 16:45:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] IIS ASP puzzler In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225141533.02a7fcb8@baratta.com> Message-ID: <20030225163503.L88538-100000@ns2.iguanasoft.com> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Anthony Baratta wrote: > At 02:03 PM 2/25/2003, Dougal Campbell wrote: > > >By liberal use of "On Error Goto Next" and "On Error Goto 0", I've > >determined that the object creation for ADODB.Recordset and > >CDONTS.NewMail succeed. The failure doesn't occur until we try to call > >'objRS.Update' or 'objMsg.Send'. > > Are you getting *any* error messages with your code? Have you done a > diff/compare between a working page and the non-working page to verify the > code has not changed? I get an ASP error indicating that the recordset cursor could not be updated. The ASP code is identical between the two versions on this particular server. And the *exactly identical* code runs find on our test server. The problem is not in the ASP code, it is somewhere higher in the hierarchy of IIS. One (totally invented) theory that one of our developers had was that perhaps the IUSR_foo anonymous account somehow has read access to those components, but not write access. But I haven't found anything yet that would support that idea. We've also tried deleting the directory's application settings from the Transaction Server settings in the MMC, then recreating them under the IIS settings. But that didn't clear the problem up either. -- Ernest MacDougal Campbell III, MCP+I, MCSE <dougal at gunters.org> http://dougal.gunters.org/ http://spam.gunters.org/ Web Design & Development: http://www.mentalcollective.com/ This message is guaranteed to be 100% eror frea! From evolt at thesinner.co.uk Tue Feb 25 17:00:01 2003 From: evolt at thesinner.co.uk (James Baster) Date: Tue Feb 25 17:00:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Idea: Distributed CMS. Message-ID: <014201c2dd21$cd680200$18e8fb8a@res.stand.ac.uk> Heres info about an Idea I have: I'm posting it here get feedback on it. I do have techinical thoughts on how this would work, but that's for later: for now, what do you all think of the idea? Would people find it useful - would it work? James. ---------------- The Sinner is a web site I run at my university; its a typical community website with messageboards, articles, polls and a calendar. Users can put polls in messages, and under each article users can post messages. Nothing special. (No link provided becuase it's a working site and I dont want it disrupted; and it really has absolutely no unique features.) But imagine that at each uni there was a similiar site: wouldn't it be great if users from one site could sign in and participate on other sites in this group? Wouldn't it be great if articles from one university that had relevance at other universitys could be passed around? Wouldn't it be great if threads from one sites messageboards could be shared on messageboards on other sites? I see this site being used by small local groups sharing a certain intrest who want to form a larger network: for example, local sports clubs could run there own small local sites but if something of national intrest happened, like a national competion, content relating to this could be shared across all the websites. My Idea Firstly, it is important to note this I do not see a central database with mini websites. In this system each site is its own master - a peer to peer network in effect. This enables each individual site to keep control in there hands. For instance, if a roleplaying club joins a national group of roleplayers and later on disagrees with them on some fundamental idea, they can if they choose simply leave the group and still own all there own content, domain name and website. Articles, Calendar events, threads on messageboards and polls are all content that should be allowed to be pulled across. The site admins could choose between having other sites simply link back to them, or they can pass there content across and let the other site display it in there template. This means from the persepctive of the user the end result is smoother and more consistent. Issues have to be taken into consideration as maybe the content providing site would like some recognition or financial reward for the content. Options include passing a link such as "Article orginally appeared on ..." or a advert to display along with the content or to have a complete logging system so bills can be worked out later. Of course, some sites might abuse this and only display the content and not the advert; the only solution to this is to hope the providing site realises and stops dealing with the offending site. Current Work "This kind of thing happens all the time!" is a fair cry here: yes, but mainly on a very formal footing. http://www.theregister.co.uk presents articles from securityfocus. ujournal lets users add livejournal users to there friends list. but these are very formal arangments done by big companies who can afford to pay programmers to set up the link; its hard for small sites to do the same. RSS Feeds (http://backend.userland.com/rss#whatIsRss) are the odvious thing to bring up; however they only allow other sites to grab headlines from your site and thus provide a link back to your pages. This is all very well but I see far more than this. While RDF (http://www.w3.org/RDF/) seems to be a comprehensive standard for describing information, as far as I can see there is not neccisarily a way to pass information throught a bunch of websites automatically. (And admitadly I havent looked at RDF in any kind of depth at all.) My idea would need to include this. Dupral (http://www.drupal.org/) is a CMS System that allows people with an account on one dupral run site to log in to another dupral run site; but the only actual content sharing I know of it does is via RSS feeds. Again I see far more than this. As a format to describe information passed between the websites in my idea, RDF might hold possibilities. In any case, XML would definetly be recommended. Its flexible and many open source librarys exist to manipulate it. ----- James Baster james at thesinner dot co dot uk From Anthony at Baratta.com Tue Feb 25 17:01:01 2003 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Tue Feb 25 17:01:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] IIS ASP puzzler In-Reply-To: <20030225163503.L88538-100000@ns2.iguanasoft.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225141533.02a7fcb8@baratta.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225145447.02a9bd30@baratta.com> At 02:45 PM 2/25/2003, Dougal Campbell wrote: >I get an ASP error indicating that the recordset cursor could not be >updated. The ASP code is identical between the two versions on this >particular server. And the *exactly identical* code runs find on our >test server. The problem is not in the ASP code, it is somewhere higher >in the hierarchy of IIS. Ok - couple of shots in the dark: Does the DB User account you are using have write/update access to the target DB Tables? Under your Target Virtual Server Properties, Home Directory Tab: My normal setup has Execute Permissions: Scripts Only Application Protection: Medium (Pooled) The last thing I would do is write a very simple script that tries to do what the problem script is failing at. See if you can isolate further what is going on. Maybe even create a new virtual service and see if that fails too. -- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative." From p+evolt at redbrick.dcu.ie Tue Feb 25 17:04:01 2003 From: p+evolt at redbrick.dcu.ie (Kevin Cannon) Date: Tue Feb 25 17:04:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Idea: Distributed CMS. In-Reply-To: <014201c2dd21$cd680200$18e8fb8a@res.stand.ac.uk>; from evolt@thesinner.co.uk on Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 11:00:42PM -0000 References: <014201c2dd21$cd680200$18e8fb8a@res.stand.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20030225230434.A8160@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 11:00:42PM -0000, James Baster wrote: > Heres info about an Idea I have: I'm posting it here get feedback on it. I > do have techinical thoughts on how this would work, but that's for later: > for now, what do you all think of the idea? Would people find it useful - > would it work? > Yea, I think it worked quite well. Remember NNTP & Usenet? It actually seems to cover most of what you're talking about. It'd just be a matter of making a nice front-end to it. - Kevin From markgill at uwalumni.com Tue Feb 25 17:19:00 2003 From: markgill at uwalumni.com (Mark Gillingham) Date: Tue Feb 25 17:19:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Seeking Win98 Client for Hylafax In-Reply-To: <20030225180435.B7AEF3A1C@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <9D6E569A-4917-11D7-8C66-0003937E3BCA@uwalumni.com> I noticed that w2hfax has not been update since June 2000. Do you know of a better client for Hylafax than w2hfax for Win98? The purpose is to send occasional faxes to our clients--several hundred at a time. Mark From evolt at thesinner.co.uk Tue Feb 25 17:34:01 2003 From: evolt at thesinner.co.uk (James Baster) Date: Tue Feb 25 17:34:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Idea: Distributed CMS. Message-ID: <019a01c2dd26$831e6c20$18e8fb8a@res.stand.ac.uk> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cannon" <p+evolt at redbrick.dcu.ie> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] Idea: Distributed CMS. > On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 11:00:42PM -0000, James Baster wrote: > > Heres info about an Idea I have: I'm posting it here get feedback on it. I > > do have techinical thoughts on how this would work, but that's for later: > > for now, what do you all think of the idea? Would people find it useful - > > would it work? > > > > Yea, I think it worked quite well. > Remember NNTP & Usenet? > > It actually seems to cover most of what you're talking about. > It'd just be a matter of making a nice front-end to it. In my experince of running a site at my University, I'd want something over which I could have some control over what was posted and whom had access. My site forces new members to authenticate on a university email address, for instance. While I talked a lot about sharing of content and spreading it around, the flip side of that is that the site owner will be able to control his website and control where his content goes. And thats an important part to, I think. ----- James Baster james at thesinner.co.uk (+44) 776 497 0336 From ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Feb 25 17:59:00 2003 From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Tue Feb 25 17:59:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] IIS ASP puzzler References: <20030225163503.L88538-100000@ns2.iguanasoft.com> Message-ID: <016601c2dd29$e593c6e0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> Please post the *exact* error you are getting, not some vague description of what is approximately what you recall seeing at some stage in the past week. You're an MCSE - didn't you learn anything? As you can see, these vague descriptions have already prompted a flurry of further posts asking for more information! Lastly, if the exact same code[1] works on another website on this machine then you'll need to start looking at NTFS related issues. Are both sites running under the same anonymous user context? Are the NTFS permissions the same for both users for both folders where the respective databases are located? However, there are a number of errors that are similar to the text you have posted: - Operation requires an updateable query - NTFS problem - Current cursor does not support updating - this is an ADO recordset problem. You may be using adLockOptimistic in your code, but is adLockOptimistic defined? Are you using Option Explicit to catch these things? If not, why not? - Could not open ''. File in use, or you do not have permission to view the data - NTFS permissions problem. Cheers Ken [1] I'll take your word for it that are a cognisant of what things can make two pieces of similar looking code not an exact match. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Dougal Campbell" <dougal at gunters.org> Subject: Re: [thelist] IIS ASP puzzler : On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Anthony Baratta wrote: : : > At 02:03 PM 2/25/2003, Dougal Campbell wrote: : > : > >By liberal use of "On Error Goto Next" and "On Error Goto 0", I've : > >determined that the object creation for ADODB.Recordset and : > >CDONTS.NewMail succeed. The failure doesn't occur until we try to call : > >'objRS.Update' or 'objMsg.Send'. : > : > Are you getting *any* error messages with your code? Have you done a : > diff/compare between a working page and the non-working page to verify the : > code has not changed? : : I get an ASP error indicating that the recordset cursor could not be : updated. The ASP code is identical between the two versions on this : particular server. And the *exactly identical* code runs find on our : test server. The problem is not in the ASP code, it is somewhere higher : in the hierarchy of IIS. : : One (totally invented) theory that one of our developers had was that : perhaps the IUSR_foo anonymous account somehow has read access to those : components, but not write access. But I haven't found anything yet that : would support that idea. : : We've also tried deleting the directory's application settings from the : Transaction Server settings in the MMC, then recreating them under the : IIS settings. But that didn't clear the problem up either. From JerryScannell at cox.net Tue Feb 25 18:11:01 2003 From: JerryScannell at cox.net (Jerry Scannell) Date: Tue Feb 25 18:11:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts References: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B28@fsjubj05> Message-ID: <004001c2dd2b$a7615020$6400a8c0@cx2366b> David, You hit what I want to do right on the head. I don't want to give up so easy, though. I have an idea. If I have a Session() variable that I can set to 1 if the user wishes to quit, then I can test for that in my do ... loop. The only problem is how to set the Session() variable inside a javascript or vbscript. Do you have any idea here? I know that you can share data from ASP to javaScript but can you go the other way?? For instance, assume I have an ASP variable. In javascript I can do: <script language="javascript"> function funcName() { var s = <%=Session("varname")%>; . . return true; } </script> How about going the other way? If I could set a session variable from within a javascript I would be all set. Perhaps with remote scripting??? Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: RE: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts > > I have a database loop that's running some ASP code. I would > > like the user to be able to cancel the operation cleanly. > > What I'm looking to do is perhaps have a "cancel" button > > whose onClick event sets a flag. I could then test the flag > > at the end of my do ... loop and gracefully exit. I can't > > seem to think of a scheme where a piece of data that is set > > by a client operation can be tested from within an ASP loop. > > Sounds like you want the user to click a URL in their browser and run an ASP > process on the server, and while that ASP process is running have the user > cancel it, right? > > Nope, can't do it that way, at least not that I can see. Once you kick off > the ASP process you will pretty much have to wait until it is finished, > unfortunately. If there were some way for IIS to register that "this user is > no longer connected" then it could kill the process, but it doesn't do that. > This is because every time you click a button or a link in the browser you > make a *new* request to the server. > > HTH, > -dave > -- > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Feb 25 18:29:00 2003 From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Tue Feb 25 18:29:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ASP] cookie question References: <8BE83ACB4413F246992E7A4EC5DC7D2B2EB471@exchange.internal.municode.com> Message-ID: <01ba01c2dd2e$30415fa0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> You say you want to set the cookie at the user's request. Can you set the cookie using client-side javascript? (or you can do a postback to the server, and set the cookie via ASP code). When the user next comes back to the site, I don't see what you can't do: <% strRedirect = Request.Cookies("Homepage") strParams = Request.Cookies("OptionalParams") Select Case strRedirect Case "FirstHomePage" Response.Redirect("/somesite/") Case "SecondHomePage" Response.Redirect("/someothersite/default.asp?" & strParams) End Select %> <html> <head></head> <body> <p>This is the default site homepage</p> </body> </html> Cheers Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Stephen Caudill" <SCaudill at municode.com> Subject: [thelist] [ASP] cookie question : I am trying to create a cookie that when set, at the users request, will change their default homepage on our site. i.e. instead of hitting index.asp, if the cookie is set then they receive /folder/file.asp as their initial page. The reason being that 90% of the traffic to our site goes directly to a specific page (public access to info we host for clients) and it would significantly reduce the amount of tech support our company has to do trying to tell john q how to get to a page that is always one click away... bleh. : I've run into a couple of hitches with this and its probably because I'm a newbie to ASP. First, the site uses one page for the layout and calls in different content based on variables in the query string. As you are likely aware, the code for cookies must come before the <html> tag, and as there is only one <html> tag in the whole site, I was a bit flummoxed at first, so I came up with this code: : : : home = int(request("home")) : if home = 1 then : response.Cookies("homepage") = "onlineCodes" : response.Cookies("homepage") = "01/01/04" : end if : homepage=request.Cookies("homepage") : if homepage = "onlineCodes" then : response.Redirect("index.asp?nav=2&id=1") : end if : : this is assuming that on the online codes page, there would be a button which would post an additional parameter in the querystring which is home=1 if the user would like that to be their default page on our site. The BIG problem being, once this cookie is set, you get stuck in a response.redirect loop. I need to ensure that only the first time per session the user hits the site, they are redirected there. Any ideas on what is a good way to do this? I'm reading up on the session object right now, but would like to know if I'm barking up the wrong tree. : : Thanks In Advance, : Scuba Steve From chris at jobdragon.com Tue Feb 25 18:33:01 2003 From: chris at jobdragon.com (Christian Anderson) Date: Tue Feb 25 18:33:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Is AspPop3 the way to go? Message-ID: <DFEDJENBJLMGOAJIMAPJAEOGDOAA.chris@jobdragon.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hi everyone, I am planning on setting up a site that will do the following: 1) Users will be able to email pictures / video files to a specific mail address on my server. 2) Something on my server will then check that mailbox (every 5 min or whatever) for messages. 3) If there is a message in the mailbox, it will take the header information and put it into a database, and then it will save the attachment as a unique filename on the server (date&time of arrival or whatever), and then also put that filename into the database. >From there I will be able to handle all the ASP that needs to be done to get things to display on the site. As to why I am doing this by email, its because its on a mobile phone and as of now you cant upload via the browser (at least here in Japan). So is AspPop3 the way to go? Will that be able to handle everything I want it to, or will it just check the mailbox and return the header / attachment information to me, and then from there I'll need some other components to handle everything from there? Thanks! Chris -- From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue Feb 25 18:33:38 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Tue Feb 25 18:33:38 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] More RegEx Fun Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLMEELGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> hey all, i had such good luck with my last regex questions here that i thought i'd ask some more. let's say i have some tags i want to enforce trailing slashes on. for example: <br> <img src="images/foo.gif"> <input type="submit" value="Continue >>>"> how would i go about doing that? notice that last one is a doozy and may ultimately make this next to impossible with regex. i'm hoping someone here can prove me wrong. next, i'd like to enforce tag attribute quoting. if any attributes are found unquoted, wrap them with double-quotes. this brings up an interesting issue though. ponder this example: <a href="download.html" onmouseover=rollOver("download", "on") onmouseout=rollOver("download", "off")> obviously, as soon as i wrap the event handlers with quotes the function calls will break (and most likely throw errors every time the page is loaded or worse every time the affected links are moused over). finally, i'd like to be able to enforce case on tags and tag attributes, converting it to lowercase across the board. obviously this becomes a whole lot easier if i've already wrapped attribute values in quotes so i can be sure to avoid lower casing attribute values unnecessarily. any thoughts? .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Feb 25 18:43:01 2003 From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Tue Feb 25 18:43:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Is AspPop3 the way to go? References: <DFEDJENBJLMGOAJIMAPJAEOGDOAA.chris@jobdragon.com> Message-ID: <025a01c2dd30$21b146b0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> Any POP3 component (Dimac's JMail v4 does the same thing) will handle the extraction of the mail headers (which can usually be returned as a collection, or a string), and the separation of each part of a multi-part message. If the attachment is binary, you'll need to use the ADO Stream object to save the data to the file system (as the File System Object is really only designed for text). To insert the header information into the database you'd just use an SQL statement and the ADO Connection object. Cheers Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Christian Anderson" <chris at jobdragon.com> Subject: [thelist] Is AspPop3 the way to go? : Hi everyone, : : I am planning on setting up a site that will do the following: : : 1) Users will be able to email pictures / video files to a specific mail : address on my server. : 2) Something on my server will then check that mailbox (every 5 min or : whatever) for messages. : 3) If there is a message in the mailbox, it will take the header information : and put it into a database, and then it will save the attachment as a unique : filename on the server (date&time of arrival or whatever), and then also put : that filename into the database. : : From there I will be able to handle all the ASP that needs to be done to get : things to display on the site. : : As to why I am doing this by email, its because its on a mobile phone and as : of now you cant upload via the browser (at least here in Japan). : : So is AspPop3 the way to go? Will that be able to handle everything I want : it to, or will it just check the mailbox and return the header / attachment : information to me, and then from there I'll need some other components to : handle everything from there? : : Thanks! : : Chris From chris at jobdragon.com Tue Feb 25 18:53:00 2003 From: chris at jobdragon.com (Christian Anderson) Date: Tue Feb 25 18:53:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Is AspPop3 the way to go? In-Reply-To: <025a01c2dd30$21b146b0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: <DFEDJENBJLMGOAJIMAPJGEOHDOAA.chris@jobdragon.com> JMail V4 looks pretty good, but the $145 price tag is kind of putting me off. >From reading through the examples there, it looks like its handling the attachments itself, and then saving them to whatever directory you specify right? In that case, it wouldn't be necessary to use the ADO Stream object? And to answer your question, yes its a binary file that I am planning on attaching. -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:44 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Is AspPop3 the way to go? Any POP3 component (Dimac's JMail v4 does the same thing) will handle the extraction of the mail headers (which can usually be returned as a collection, or a string), and the separation of each part of a multi-part message. If the attachment is binary, you'll need to use the ADO Stream object to save the data to the file system (as the File System Object is really only designed for text). To insert the header information into the database you'd just use an SQL statement and the ADO Connection object. Cheers Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Christian Anderson" <chris at jobdragon.com> Subject: [thelist] Is AspPop3 the way to go? : Hi everyone, : : I am planning on setting up a site that will do the following: : : 1) Users will be able to email pictures / video files to a specific mail : address on my server. : 2) Something on my server will then check that mailbox (every 5 min or : whatever) for messages. : 3) If there is a message in the mailbox, it will take the header information : and put it into a database, and then it will save the attachment as a unique : filename on the server (date&time of arrival or whatever), and then also put : that filename into the database. : : From there I will be able to handle all the ASP that needs to be done to get : things to display on the site. : : As to why I am doing this by email, its because its on a mobile phone and as : of now you cant upload via the browser (at least here in Japan). : : So is AspPop3 the way to go? Will that be able to handle everything I want : it to, or will it just check the mailbox and return the header / attachment : information to me, and then from there I'll need some other components to : handle everything from there? : : Thanks! : : Chris -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Feb 25 19:19:01 2003 From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Tue Feb 25 19:19:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Is AspPop3 the way to go? References: <DFEDJENBJLMGOAJIMAPJGEOHDOAA.chris@jobdragon.com> Message-ID: <02c001c2dd35$36a08590$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> Sorry - I'll clarify: I was just speaking in general. A particular component may implement an interface which allows you to programmatically manipulate attachments (for example, save them to disk). I haven't used JMail for POP3, so I haven't read that part of the manual. But, it does seem to provide an attachment class that you can use to save the file to disk. <% For Each objAttachment in objMessage.Attachments objAttachment.SaveToFile "c:\incomingAttachments\" & objAttachment.Name Next %> Cheers Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Christian Anderson" <chris at jobdragon.com> Subject: RE: [thelist] Is AspPop3 the way to go? : JMail V4 looks pretty good, but the $145 price tag is kind of putting me : off. : : From reading through the examples there, it looks like its handling the : attachments itself, and then saving them to whatever directory you specify : right? In that case, it wouldn't be necessary to use the ADO Stream object? : And to answer your question, yes its a binary file that I am planning on : attaching. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From joel at spinhead.com Tue Feb 25 19:22:01 2003 From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Tue Feb 25 19:22:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Creating MSWord doc and converting to PDF on the fl y via ASP Message-ID: <D0E94826C140C3409057ED957D96AC4812E96B@ireland.spinhead.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] http://www.activepdf.com/ Have you used this? Just want some indication as to whether it's worth the time to investigate a $1500 app. They have demo versions available, but so far the install's not exactly effortless. joel From pippen at bigpond.net.au Tue Feb 25 19:32:01 2003 From: pippen at bigpond.net.au (Scott Webster) Date: Tue Feb 25 19:32:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Creating MSWord doc and converting to PDF on the fly via ASP References: <D0E94826C140C3409057ED957D96AC4812E966@ireland.spinhead.com> Message-ID: <008101c2dd37$75371880$bec82dcb@jack> Hi Joel : finding scraps of the answer. The scenario: visitor accesses a secure page, : fills in the form, a Word document is populated with the correct info : *including a watermark* and a PDF is created for the visitor to download (or : it is e-mailed to them; exact delivery details aren't critical.) The Word : document is optional; if we can go straight from web form to watermarked : PDF, that's great. : : Any linkage to tutorials/info/whatever appreciated. If you know of an : off-the-shelf package, we'd rather buy than build if the price is right. 1. Use Word to create your pretty form. Export it to PDF. 2. Open your PDF Form with Acrobat and insert the relevant form fields. 3. Use a product like ActivePDF Toolkit to populate the fields via a WS. You will need to purchase Acrobat to modify and add form fields to your PDF, but I can assure you you'll use PDF for a lot of other things. You could probably populate the PDF form on the web-server using the free FDFToolkit from Adobe, but the ActivePDF is a lot more powerful. This approach has the benefits of non-techs being able to maintain your PDF forms, while the web-developer only needs to know how to manipulate a PDF com tool and have a list of the relevant form fields in the PDF to know what data to populate. Relevant tutorials can be found at either Adobe or ActivePDF sites. And I'm not associated with any of the above...;) hth! From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue Feb 25 20:05:00 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Tue Feb 25 20:05:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Creating MSWord doc and converting to PDF on the fly via ASP In-Reply-To: <D0E94826C140C3409057ED957D96AC4812E96B@ireland.spinhead.com> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEFAGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> joel, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Joel Canfield > > http://www.activepdf.com/ > > Have you used this? Just want some indication as to > whether it's worth the time to investigate a $1500 app. > They have demo versions available, but so far the > install's not exactly effortless. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< i haven't personally used it, but it's the tool that's suggested every time someone in the coldfusion community asks about generating or manipulating pdf's server-side. to date i haven't heard anything negative when it's been suggested. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From info at gwcreative.com Tue Feb 25 20:08:01 2003 From: info at gwcreative.com (Gregory Wostrel) Date: Tue Feb 25 20:08:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Chimera doesn't see the css Message-ID: <3765CC70-492F-11D7-9AD5-0003938680C8@gwcreative.com> This is probably a little one for most of the people on the list, but i just can't figure it out. Chimera 0.6 renders this site: http://www.thelightband.com/ without the style sheet.. Every other browser Mac and PC does fine. Any ideas about this? I am not too broken up about it as I know that not very many people in the target audience are using Chimera and OSX - but I am and I know many of you are. TIA Gregory Wostrel gwcreative http://www.gwcreative.com/ gw at gwcreative.com 401.286.9228 Communications and the Art of Simplicity From toby at rsux.com Tue Feb 25 20:28:01 2003 From: toby at rsux.com (Tobyn Baugher) Date: Tue Feb 25 20:28:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Chimera doesn't see the css In-Reply-To: <3765CC70-492F-11D7-9AD5-0003938680C8@gwcreative.com> References: <3765CC70-492F-11D7-9AD5-0003938680C8@gwcreative.com> Message-ID: <78770746.1046208543@[192.168.0.4]> On Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:08 PM -0500 Gregory Wostrel <info at gwcreative.com> wrote: > This is probably a little one for most of the people on the list, but > i just can't figure it out. Chimera 0.6 renders this site: > http://www.thelightband.com/ without the style sheet.. Every other > browser Mac and PC does fine. Any ideas about this? I am not too > broken up about it as I know that not very many people in the target > audience are using Chimera and OSX - but I am and I know many of you > are. Your web server seems to be returning application/x-pointplus as the MIME type for .css files. This appears to cause Gecko-based browsers to (probably rightly) ignore them. Mozilla 1.3 on my box exhibits the same behaviour you described while IE (notorious for ignoring MIME types) presents everything properly. Your server signature says Apache. If your host lets you use .htaccess files you should be able to fix this by putting AddType text/css .css in a .htaccess file in your css directory. Hope that helps, Toby -- Tobyn Baugher <toby at rsux.com> http://www.rsux.com aim: dieplzkthxbye icq: 14281524 efnet: toby From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Tue Feb 25 20:59:01 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Tue Feb 25 20:59:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Chimera doesn't see the css In-Reply-To: <3765CC70-492F-11D7-9AD5-0003938680C8@gwcreative.com> References: <3765CC70-492F-11D7-9AD5-0003938680C8@gwcreative.com> Message-ID: <20030226025829.GS3536@debian> On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:08:37PM -0500, Gregory Wostrel wrote: > This is probably a little one for most of the people on the list, but i > just can't figure it out. Chimera 0.6 renders this site: > http://www.thelightband.com/ without the style sheet.. Every other You should also (in addition to fixing the MIME type for .css files) add type="text/css". This is required in link elements for XHTML. <link href="css/basic.css" rel="stylesheet" media="screen" /> <link href="css/home.css" rel="stylesheet" media="screen" /> should be: <link href="css/basic.css" rel="stylesheet" media="screen" type="text/css" /> <link href="css/home.css" rel="stylesheet" media="screen" type="text/css" /> -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Tue Feb 25 23:43:01 2003 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Tue Feb 25 23:43:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Anchors in ColdFusion & IE In-Reply-To: <20030226025829.GS3536@debian> Message-ID: <00b701c2dd5a$0b144c70$1503a8c0@autolycus> I'm working on trying to dynamically create a link that jumps to an anchor in a page, but the link itself is dynamically generated, and I don't seem to be having much luck. Here's my anchor: <a name="Comment<cfoutput>#qCommentDisplay.commentID#</cfoutput>"></a> Here's my link: <a href="http://www.url.com/blinkComments.cfm?blinkID=#qBlink.blinkID###Com ment#qCommentDisplay.commentID#" class="blinkCMT">link</a> I've tried using URLEncode without any success on this, and I'm not certain that I'm escaping out the #s correctly, but this doesn't seem to work right. It seems that this is working correctly, but IE drops the anchor from the URL when it's listed in the address bar. Any thoughts? Thanks, Russ From headlines at lists.evolt.org Wed Feb 26 00:11:00 2003 From: headlines at lists.evolt.org (Headlines) Date: Wed Feb 26 00:11:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Headlines from evolt.org for 25-FEB-03 Message-ID: <200302260610.h1Q6A0pR006201@leo.evolt.org> evolt.org headlines for 25-FEB-03 Hi evolters! We have some fresh content on evolt.org today, contributed by our members. Learn something new or review the perspective of someone else: IA/Usability: Stephen Hawking and Me - Flash MX Accessibility (Author: dl_byron) http://www.evolt.org/article/headline/4090/57431/index.html The purpose of the article is to share my experience with Flash accessibility and offer the readers tips to make it work. Hearing your site can be quite unnerving, especially when the voice of Stephen Hawking reads it. There's also a Flash accessibility gotcha that I explain. It's not a ?breakthrough-code? article, but should be helpful to those that want to make their Flash more accessible. Authors really appreciate feedback from their peers; you can leave a comment and rate articles by logging into the evolt.org web site. Happy reading! evolt.org From mark.m at optushome.com.au Wed Feb 26 00:19:01 2003 From: mark.m at optushome.com.au (Mark M) Date: Wed Feb 26 00:19:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Anchors in ColdFusion & IE Message-ID: <200302260619.h1Q6HoZ15375@mail009.syd.optusnet.com.au> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: <http://lists.evolt.org/pipermail/thelist/attachments/20030226/b6acf309/attachment.ksh> From ryan at dres.org Wed Feb 26 00:53:01 2003 From: ryan at dres.org (Ryan Christensen) Date: Wed Feb 26 00:53:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Adding extra zeros to dollar amounts when neccesary Message-ID: <006701c2dd63$c599ffa0$26d8c141@dres> Would anyone be able to outline a method (in ECMA/javascript ideally) by which I could add extra zeros to a numeric value to display a dollar amount correctly? Example: 5 into 5.00 To someone who's only dabbled occasionally in client-side scripting, your help would be invaluable! Much thanks in advance, Ryan From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Wed Feb 26 01:00:01 2003 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Wed Feb 26 01:00:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Anchors in ColdFusion & IE In-Reply-To: <200302260619.h1Q6HoZ15375@mail009.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <00c001c2dd64$cb55a150$1503a8c0@autolycus> > You have some very strange hashing on the link with the href... > > Count the opens and closes... it doesn't look right to me. a href="http://www.url.com/blinkComments.cfm?blinkID=#qBlink.blinkID###Com ment#qCommentDisplay.commentID#" ?blinkID=#qBlink.blinkID# <--opened, closed correctly ## <--2 are required to represent a single # while in ColdFusion; this is calling the anchor Comment#qCommentDisplay.commentID# <--this is saying "Comment42" (as an example). Anchors cannot start with numbers, therefore it must have a unique identifier. It works correctly; that's not the main problem. The main problem is that IE drops the anchor value. Anyway, are you seeing something different in my URL than what I have described? Russ From dbindel at austin.rr.com Wed Feb 26 02:20:01 2003 From: dbindel at austin.rr.com (David Bindel) Date: Wed Feb 26 02:20:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Adding extra zeros to dollar amounts when neccesary In-Reply-To: <006701c2dd63$c599ffa0$26d8c141@dres> Message-ID: <000001c2dd6f$fcd12af0$0301a8c0@DAVID> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Would anyone be able to outline a method (in ECMA/javascript > ideally) by which I could add extra zeros to a numeric value > to display a dollar amount correctly? > > Example: 5 into 5.00 It's been a few years since I've done any client-side scripting, but I do PHP and C++ regularly, so I remember some of the Javascript I used to know. Below is the one-line function (using the ternary operator!) I just wrote and tested. function add_zeros(orig_num) { return orig_num + (orig_num.indexOf('.') == -1) ? ".00" : ""; } The way it works: First, it checks to see whether or not the "number" (in actuality, it is a string) contains a ".". If it contains a ".", nothing is changed and the original value is returned. If it does not contain a ".", the string ".00" is appended to the returned value. How to use it: document.write(add_zeros("5")); // outputs "5.00" document.write(add_zeros("5.00")); //outputs "5.00" Document.write(add_zeros("5.")); outputs "5." document.write(add_zeros("Hello, World!")); // outputs "Hello, World!.00" The only "bugs" you might find with the function are if you pass either 1) it a string containing non-numeral data (i.e. letters, words, and special characters), or 2) malformed data (i.e. "5."). Obviously, this kind of data isn't even meant to be used with the function, so that should not be a problem as long as you write your own code well. [If it is used, it will still perform the "." check, so if the string you pass it ("Hello, World!", for example) doesn't have a ".", it will return the string with the ".00" appended to the end ("Hello, World!.00").] Best of luck, David Bindel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPlx43H6TtTuKuQdTEQKp4gCdGrghTRBlrVKFQcAh7ZUUpjaZL2MAnAmg mfT2lbJ/CiOnMkRpffT4mtg5 =0ltd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 26 02:28:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Feb 26 02:28:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Anchors in ColdFusion & IE In-Reply-To: <00c001c2dd64$cb55a150$1503a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEFKGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> russ, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Russ > > It works correctly; that's not the main problem. The > main problem is that IE drops the anchor value. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< what's the generated source look like? what do you mean by "ie drops the anchor value"? .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Wed Feb 26 02:35:01 2003 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Wed Feb 26 02:35:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Anchors in ColdFusion & IE In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEFKGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <00c201c2dd72$09325920$1503a8c0@autolycus> Hi Jeff, It generates the source--and it works exactly as you'd think it should--but then, after a moment, any value that's shown as an anchor (#Comment42 for example) is dropped. You are directed to the appropriate page place, but the URL value does not display it as such, and that's what I need to display. I hope that's making sense. Thanks, Russ > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of .jeff > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:25 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [thelist] Dynamic Anchors in ColdFusion & IE > > > russ, > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > From: Russ > > > > It works correctly; that's not the main problem. The > > main problem is that IE drops the anchor value. > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > what's the generated source look like? > > what do you mean by "ie drops the anchor value"? > > .jeff > http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 26 02:40:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Feb 26 02:40:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Anchors in ColdFusion & IE In-Reply-To: <00c201c2dd72$09325920$1503a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEFLGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> russ, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Russ > > It generates the source--and it works exactly as you'd > think it should--but then, after a moment, any value > that's shown as an anchor (#Comment42 for example) is > dropped. You are directed to the appropriate page > place, but the URL value does not display it as such, > and that's what I need to display. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< are you generating a link or a <cflocation>? .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Wed Feb 26 02:45:01 2003 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Wed Feb 26 02:45:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Anchors in ColdFusion & IE In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEFLGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <00c301c2dd73$6cbba6d0$1503a8c0@autolycus> I'm generating a link inside of an A HREF that targets to a new browser so a user can directly link to a specific comment on a page. > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of .jeff > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:37 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [thelist] Dynamic Anchors in ColdFusion & IE > > > russ, > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > From: Russ > > > > It generates the source--and it works exactly as you'd > > think it should--but then, after a moment, any value > > that's shown as an anchor (#Comment42 for example) is > > dropped. You are directed to the appropriate page > > place, but the URL value does not display it as such, > > and that's what I need to display. > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > are you generating a link or a <cflocation>? > > .jeff > http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From tech at antix.co.uk Wed Feb 26 02:59:01 2003 From: tech at antix.co.uk (Anthony Johnston - Antix) Date: Wed Feb 26 02:59:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] More RegEx Fun In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLMEELGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <NCBBJFIHPGFDKMLHHKPIEEIHGMAA.tech@antix.co.uk> morning .j, saw this yesterday on regexlib.com http://www.regexlib.com <img([^>]*[^/])> replace with <img\1 /> Cheers, Ant. >-----Original Message----- >From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of .jeff >Sent: 26 February 2003 00:31 >To: evolt.org - thelist >Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] More RegEx Fun > > >hey all, > >i had such good luck with my last regex questions here that i thought i'd >ask some more. > >let's say i have some tags i want to enforce trailing slashes on. for >example: > ><br> ><img src="images/foo.gif"> ><input type="submit" value="Continue >>>"> > >how would i go about doing that? > >notice that last one is a doozy and may ultimately make this next to >impossible with regex. i'm hoping someone here can prove me wrong. > >next, i'd like to enforce tag attribute quoting. if any attributes are >found unquoted, wrap them with double-quotes. > >this brings up an interesting issue though. ponder this example: > ><a href="download.html" > onmouseover=rollOver("download", "on") > onmouseout=rollOver("download", "off")> > >obviously, as soon as i wrap the event handlers with quotes the function >calls will break (and most likely throw errors every time the page is loaded >or worse every time the affected links are moused over). > >finally, i'd like to be able to enforce case on tags and tag attributes, >converting it to lowercase across the board. obviously this becomes a whole >lot easier if i've already wrapped attribute values in quotes so i can be >sure to avoid lower casing attribute values unnecessarily. > >any thoughts? > >.jeff > >http://evolt.org/ >jeff at members.evolt.org >http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ > > > >-- >* * Please support the community that supports you. * * >http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > >For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >Workers of the Web, evolt ! From kverens at contactjuggling.org Wed Feb 26 03:05:01 2003 From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens) Date: Wed Feb 26 03:05:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] More RegEx Fun In-Reply-To: <NCBBJFIHPGFDKMLHHKPIEEIHGMAA.tech@antix.co.uk> References: <NCBBJFIHPGFDKMLHHKPIEEIHGMAA.tech@antix.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E5C81B3.5090802@contactjuggling.org> >><input type="submit" value="Continue >>>"> The above is not valid HTML, so shouldn't be put through the regexp. Replace the above with: <input type="submit" value="Continue >>>"> -- Kae Verens _______\_ webworks.ie pay: www.webworks.ie _____\\__ webhosts play: www.contactjuggling.org ___\\\___ design kae: kverens.contactjuggling.org _\\\\____ code From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 26 03:12:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Feb 26 03:12:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Anchors in ColdFusion & IE In-Reply-To: <00c301c2dd73$6cbba6d0$1503a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLEEFOGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> russ, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Russ > > I'm generating a link inside of an A HREF that targets > to a new browser so a user can directly link to a > specific comment on a page. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< odd. we do this all the time on evolt.org and it works just fine. got something online i can take a gander at? .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From jasonh at pavilion.co.uk Wed Feb 26 03:17:01 2003 From: jasonh at pavilion.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Wed Feb 26 03:17:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLKEEFGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <BCECILFBJDKJHANCJGJAIEGLGJAA.jasonh@pavilion.co.uk> Tom: > > Ignoring your unwarranted pissiness for a moment... > > Ok, "unwarranted pissiness" is by far the funniest term I have come > across in weeks. I needed a good laugh. Thanks -- always glad to be of service, even if inadvertently :-) Jeff: > > Ignoring your unwarranted pissiness for a moment, [...] > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > no pissiness here -- only a unwarranted perception of it, apparently. > > ;p You know, I regretted sending that email almost as soon as I'd sent it. I'm sorry. It had been a very long day... Jason <tip type="HTML" author="Jason Handby"> No matter what z-index you assign to them, SELECT controls render on top of other elements in Internet Explorer. This is because of the way IE renders pages, and there's nothing you can do about it other than to position them where it won't matter. (The web designer I'm working with wishes she'd known this before designing the nav bar for her new site!) For Microsoft's explanation of the issue, including other affected tags: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;177378 See also http://www.webreference.com/dhtml/diner/seethru/ which is quite interesting. </tip> <tip type="buddhist" author="Jason Handby"> When you receive a list email from someone who you think is being pissy with you, refrain from replying in a similarly pissy manner. All you will achieve is to double the amount of pissiness in people's mailboxes... :-) </tip> From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 26 03:28:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Feb 26 03:28:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web In-Reply-To: <BCECILFBJDKJHANCJGJAIEGLGJAA.jasonh@pavilion.co.uk> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLKEFPGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> jason, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Jason Handby > > > > Ignoring your unwarranted pissiness for a moment, > > > [...] > > > > no pissiness here -- only a unwarranted perception of > > it, apparently. > > > > ;p > > You know, I regretted sending that email almost as soon > as I'd sent it. I'm sorry. It had been a very long > day... ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< no worries. your regret kept you from seeing the humor in my reply. oh well. too much is lost in text. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > No matter what z-index you assign to them, SELECT > controls render on top of other elements in Internet > Explorer. This is because of the way IE renders pages, > [...] ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< correct so far. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > and there's nothing you can do about it other than to > position them where it won't matter. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< not true. you can also make the problem go away by setting display to none or visibility to hidden when you don't want them to shine through. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > (The web designer I'm working with wishes she'd known > this before designing the nav bar for her new site!) ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< and now you have some helpful advice for her. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From jasonh at pavilion.co.uk Wed Feb 26 03:46:01 2003 From: jasonh at pavilion.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Wed Feb 26 03:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLKEFPGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <BCECILFBJDKJHANCJGJAGEGMGJAA.jasonh@pavilion.co.uk> > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > and there's nothing you can do about it other than to > > position them where it won't matter. > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > not true. you can also make the problem go away by setting > display to none > or visibility to hidden when you don't want them to shine through. I should have explained this more fully in the tip but didn't want to ramble on too much. We did think of hiding them, but the reason we couldn't in our particular situation was that the drop-down menus that were causing the problem were *half-covering* the SELECT control... so we either had to rearrange things so that the menus completely obscured the SELECT (so we could hide it when they were visible), or rearrange things so the menus didn't cover the SELECT at all. In the end we decided on the latter. But of course you're right; strictly speaking there are solutions other than repositioning, the applicability of which will depend on your own particular circumstances. Jason From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 26 03:55:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Feb 26 03:55:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] phony ebay scam? Security of info on the web In-Reply-To: <BCECILFBJDKJHANCJGJAGEGMGJAA.jasonh@pavilion.co.uk> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLEEGBGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> jason, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Jason Handby > > > not true. you can also make the problem go away by > > setting display to none or visibility to hidden when > > you don't want them to shine through. > > We did think of hiding them, but the reason we couldn't > in our particular situation was that the drop-down menus > that were causing the problem were *half-covering* the > SELECT control... so we either had to rearrange things > so that the menus completely obscured the SELECT (so we > could hide it when they were visible), or rearrange > things so the menus didn't cover the SELECT at all. In > the end we decided on the latter. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< why does it matter if the select is completely covered or not? i firmly believe that if someone is interacting with some form of dhtml menu they're not focusing on form elements on the page. so, any slight flickering of form elements will be barely noticeable, if at all. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 26 03:58:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Feb 26 03:58:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] More RegEx Fun In-Reply-To: <3E5C81B3.5090802@contactjuggling.org> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLMEGBGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> kae, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Kae Verens > > >><input type="submit" value="Continue >>>"> > > The above is not valid HTML, so shouldn't be put through >the regexp. Replace the above with: > <input type="submit" value="Continue >>>"> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< you know, i used to think so too. but, i couldn't find anything in the spec that said i couldn't use angle brackets in the value attribute (or any attribute of any tag for that matter). just to prove my point, check this out: http://members.evolt.org/jeff/code/input_value.cfm?sub=1 watch wrap or follow this tiny url (http://tinyurl.com/6glh): <http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fmembers.evolt.org%2Fjeff%2Fc ode%2Finput_value.cfm%3Fsub%3D1&doctype=%28detect+automatically%29&charset=% 28detect+automatically%29&ss=1&outline=1&sp=1> .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From belinda at prodsol.net Wed Feb 26 04:05:01 2003 From: belinda at prodsol.net (Belinda Johnson) Date: Wed Feb 26 04:05:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Referral Programs In-Reply-To: <1B3AE055-484C-11D7-BD81-003065557588@mac.com> Message-ID: <LCEMLPCMGHFOELKBGAKHCEHOCIAA.belinda@prodsol.net> Hi all - One of my clients wants to start an affiliate program (to offer affiliate linking on his ecommerce site) and I am unfamiliar with being on that end of it. I've been on the receiving end of affiliate programs like Linkshare, Befree, etc - but not on the merchant side before. What are some recommended software/scripts/resources to consider? His site is on a Windows server, but we could just as easily put him on one of my Linux servers. He is currently using Mals for his shopping cart needs - which we have WAY outgrown on this site - he started off with a very small amount of products and it has been successful enough to warrant a far more robust back end at this point, and also to the point that he is starting to get requests for affiliate options. Thanks in advance for suggestions. Belinda From kverens at contactjuggling.org Wed Feb 26 04:11:01 2003 From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens) Date: Wed Feb 26 04:11:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] More RegEx Fun In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLMEGBGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLMEGBGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3E5C911D.4000209@contactjuggling.org> .jeff wrote: >><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< >>From: Kae Verens >> >>>><input type="submit" value="Continue >>>"> >> >>The above is not valid HTML, so shouldn't be put through >>the regexp. Replace the above with: >><input type="submit" value="Continue >>>"> >><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > > you know, i used to think so too. but, i couldn't find anything in the spec > that said i couldn't use angle brackets in the value attribute (or any > attribute of any tag for that matter). just to prove my point, check this > out: > > http://members.evolt.org/jeff/code/input_value.cfm?sub=1 after re-reading the XML spec, I see the prohibition is only on '<', '&' and '"' (section 2.3 - regexp [^<&"]). There is a note there: Although the EntityValue production allows the definition of an entity consisting of a single explicit < in the literal (e.g., <!ENTITY mylt "<">), it is strongly advised to avoid this practice since any reference to that entity will cause a well-formedness error -- Kae Verens _______\_ webworks.ie pay: www.webworks.ie _____\\__ webhosts play: www.contactjuggling.org ___\\\___ design kae: kverens.contactjuggling.org _\\\\____ code From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 26 04:14:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Feb 26 04:14:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Referral Programs In-Reply-To: <LCEMLPCMGHFOELKBGAKHCEHOCIAA.belinda@prodsol.net> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEGCGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> belinda, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Belinda Johnson > > He is currently using Mals for his shopping cart needs > - which we have WAY outgrown on this site - he started > off with a very small amount of products and it has been > successful enough to warrant a far more robust back end > at this point, and also to the point that he is starting > to get requests for affiliate options. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< maybe this is a sign that it's time to pursue a solution geared towards his business with a professional with experience in this area? .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From belinda at prodsol.net Wed Feb 26 04:26:01 2003 From: belinda at prodsol.net (Belinda Johnson) Date: Wed Feb 26 04:26:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Referral Programs In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEGCGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <LCEMLPCMGHFOELKBGAKHGEHPCIAA.belinda@prodsol.net> Um, no, I am professional enough to not take on clients that have needs beyond my capabilities, but I am also lucky enough and respected enough by my clients to be able to grow with them, which is where we are now and why I am a member of this list and seek out assistance to learn the things I need to learn. I simply asked for suggestions from persons whose opinions I respect as well. Belinda RE: maybe this is a sign that it's time to pursue a solution geared towards his business with a professional with experience in this area? .jeff From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk Wed Feb 26 04:37:01 2003 From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford) Date: Wed Feb 26 04:37:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Referral Programs In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEGCGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAGEBGMJAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk> > maybe this is a sign that it's time to pursue a solution > geared towards his > business with a professional with experience in this area? > > .jeff That was mean. From boris at bmannconsulting.com Wed Feb 26 07:12:01 2003 From: boris at bmannconsulting.com (Boris Mann) Date: Wed Feb 26 07:12:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Supporting scripts that generate bad code (was: oh, the irony!!!!!) In-Reply-To: <001f01c2dce0$045c7b70$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: <584F955C-48FD-11D7-BCFA-000393703A62@bmannconsulting.com> On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 10:09 AM, rudy wrote: >> FWIW, the new www.sitepoint.com site is very handsome. >> Congratulations on a job well done. > > +1 > > as the guilty party who raised the point both on your site, mark, > and here in this discussion list, let me just say that you guys > have done a great job in the redesign of the sites > > nice job applying the new design to your version of vbulletin, too > > and sure, you don't want to rewrite its engine, i don't blame you <snip> This raises an interesting question: should one support scripts/software that generates "bad code"? I would think this is another area to take a stand and insist on standards. (and yes, the SitePoint redesign is well done...too bad about the massive use of non-compliant forums) -- Boris Mann http://www.bmannconsulting.com From james at thesinner.co.uk Wed Feb 26 07:12:30 2003 From: james at thesinner.co.uk (James Baster) Date: Wed Feb 26 07:12:30 2003 Subject: [thelist] Idea: Distributed CMS. References: <014201c2dd21$cd680200$18e8fb8a@res.stand.ac.uk> <20030225230434.A8160@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> Message-ID: <017c01c2dd24$3009b960$18e8fb8a@res.stand.ac.uk> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cannon" <p+evolt at redbrick.dcu.ie> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] Idea: Distributed CMS. > On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 11:00:42PM -0000, James Baster wrote: > > Heres info about an Idea I have: I'm posting it here get feedback on it. I > > do have techinical thoughts on how this would work, but that's for later: > > for now, what do you all think of the idea? Would people find it useful - > > would it work? > > > > Yea, I think it worked quite well. > Remember NNTP & Usenet? > > It actually seems to cover most of what you're talking about. > It'd just be a matter of making a nice front-end to it. In my experince of running a site at my University, I'd want something over which I could have some control over what was posted and whom had access. My site forces new members to authenticate on a university email address, for instance. While I talked a lot about sharing of content and spreading it around, the flip side of that is that the site owner will be able to control his website and control where his content goes. And thats an important part to, I think. From joshua at waetech.com Wed Feb 26 07:24:01 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Wed Feb 26 07:24:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Anchors in ColdFusion & IE References: <00b701c2dd5a$0b144c70$1503a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: <04e001c2dd9a$49297130$0300a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ" <russ at unrealisticexpectations.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:43 AM > Here's my anchor: > > <a name="Comment<cfoutput>#qCommentDisplay.commentID#</cfoutput>"></a> This looks ok. > Here's my link: > > <a > href="http://www.url.com/blinkComments.cfm?blinkID=#qBlink.blinkID###Com > ment#qCommentDisplay.commentID#" class="blinkCMT">link</a> URLEncode won't make any difference. Anchors only work correctly if the top document's URL and the URL within the anchor are the same. What is the URL of the page that this link appears on? Does it have the blinkID link the anchor tag? Would you mind opening the page in a browser and pasting to us the url, and the 2 anchors? We'll probably be able to troubleshoot once we have those items. GL, -joshua From eric.s.howard at loram.com Wed Feb 26 07:46:01 2003 From: eric.s.howard at loram.com (eric.s.howard at loram.com) Date: Wed Feb 26 07:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] visible/invisible frames Message-ID: <OF4C8650FC.AC048B19-ON86256CD9.004B0229-86256CD9.004B8A60@loram.com> Hello, Is there a code html or java that I can place a button/text to toggle and make a specific frame visible or invisible? Thanks Eric From info at gwcreative.com Wed Feb 26 07:57:01 2003 From: info at gwcreative.com (Gregory Wostrel) Date: Wed Feb 26 07:57:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Chimera doesn't see the css In-Reply-To: <78770746.1046208543@[192.168.0.4]> Message-ID: <5836F880-4992-11D7-9065-0003938680C8@gwcreative.com> Toby, Thanks. I will have to pursue this one. On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:29 PM, Tobyn Baugher wrote: >> This is probably a little one for most of the people on the list, but >> i just can't figure it out. Chimera 0.6 renders this site: >> http://www.thelightband.com/ without the style sheet.. Every other >> browser Mac and PC does fine. Any ideas about this? I am not too >> broken up about it as I know that not very many people in the target >> audience are using Chimera and OSX - but I am and I know many of you >> are. > > Your web server seems to be returning application/x-pointplus as the > MIME type for .css files. This appears to cause Gecko-based browsers to > (probably rightly) ignore them. Mozilla 1.3 on my box exhibits the same > behaviour you described while IE (notorious for ignoring MIME types) > presents everything properly. > > Your server signature says Apache. If your host lets you use .htaccess > files you should be able to fix this by putting > > AddType text/css .css > > in a .htaccess file in your css directory. Greg Wostrel From info at gwcreative.com Wed Feb 26 08:00:01 2003 From: info at gwcreative.com (Gregory Wostrel) Date: Wed Feb 26 08:00:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Chimera doesn't see the css In-Reply-To: <20030226025829.GS3536@debian> Message-ID: <AD64611E-4992-11D7-9065-0003938680C8@gwcreative.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Emma, Thanks for the tip - I did this and while it didn't help my problem it is always good to have things in order. On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:58 PM, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: >> This is probably a little one for most of the people on the list, but >> i >> just can't figure it out. Chimera 0.6 renders this site: >> http://www.thelightband.com/ without the style sheet.. Every other > > You should also (in addition to fixing the MIME type for .css files) > add > type="text/css". This is required in link elements for XHTML. > > <link href="css/basic.css" rel="stylesheet" media="screen" /> > <link href="css/home.css" rel="stylesheet" media="screen" /> > > should be: > <link href="css/basic.css" rel="stylesheet" media="screen" > type="text/css" /> > <link href="css/home.css" rel="stylesheet" media="screen" > type="text/css" /> Gregory Wostrel gwcreative http://www.gwcreative.com/ gw at gwcreative.com 401.286.9228 Communications and the Art of Simplicity -- From evolt at gmx.net Wed Feb 26 08:08:01 2003 From: evolt at gmx.net (Gijs van Tulder) Date: Wed Feb 26 08:08:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] visible/invisible frames In-Reply-To: <OF4C8650FC.AC048B19-ON86256CD9.004B0229-86256CD9.004B8A60@loram.com> Message-ID: <KNEOKJCOCHEDPIMPAIMIEEOFDJAA.evolt@gmx.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: eric.s.howard at loram.com > Subject: [thelist] visible/invisible frames > Is there a code html or java that I can place a button/text > to toggle and make a specific frame visible or invisible? Hi Eric, I needed such a function for a site. I haven't found a way to hide frames yet. A possible workaround: include the frame you want to display/hide in the frameset, but set its height/width to zero. You can then use JavaScript to redefine the rows/cols attribute of the frameset, and let your hidden frame appear. See: http://developer.irt.org/script/566.htm for information about resizing frames. HTH, Gijs -------------------------- Gijs van Tulder gvtulder at members.evolt.org http://gvtulder.f2o.org/ From wes at pmason.karoo.co.uk Wed Feb 26 08:20:01 2003 From: wes at pmason.karoo.co.uk (**1st Vamp**) Date: Wed Feb 26 08:20:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] visible/invisible frames In-Reply-To: <KNEOKJCOCHEDPIMPAIMIEEOFDJAA.evolt@gmx.net> References: <KNEOKJCOCHEDPIMPAIMIEEOFDJAA.evolt@gmx.net> Message-ID: <698242775.20030226142039@pmason.karoo.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: MD5 How about assigning a class or id to the frame and setting display:none? - -- 1stVamp [ Site at somewhere :: http://1stvamp.org/ ] [ Webcomic from nowhere :: http://gfbowl.com/ ] Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 2:08:43 PM, Gijs van Tulder wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eric.s.howard at loram.com >> Subject: [thelist] visible/invisible frames >> Is there a code html or java that I can place a button/text >> to toggle and make a specific frame visible or invisible? > Hi Eric, > I needed such a function for a site. I haven't found a way to hide frames > yet. A possible workaround: include the frame you want to display/hide in > the frameset, but set its height/width to zero. You can then use JavaScript > to redefine the rows/cols attribute of the frameset, and let your hidden > frame appear. > See: > http://developer.irt.org/script/566.htm > for information about resizing frames. > HTH, > Gijs > -------------------------- > Gijs van Tulder > gvtulder at members.evolt.org > http://gvtulder.f2o.org/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQINAwUAPlzNOutR7En81eJTAQEWYQ+5AYKrO/9POLepFPMfBdA2JECGIalo3p2K iwTI61hRZ/PgEIY+INd79O3rw7NGP9WM0iIiWkyVoptI5DHFbkp7kM5xoQQbi0te jgm6JMp1R/f3iSCCvvjYz5iJBKC+08xCRQX/dM/QPtUabW5WUD6PziYT8M7C2dQi SwND0ogJj++PP++sXkuODSf09yC1AvoOIzi0BEgi3Kf57jSyGzPIBzjBccsZfbIH jK+T2eEpSZROpBij+huxOc7lNamD0k1HJdcTBJaKAjjl7WDODXXsHUhIGGLmmcXI j8Vi6a+Hxn4dC05YoSb8r+rKHpdRjAsLZIxucmHVMJCaqJ8n9o21Sp2d3u1+hjOW aeqvDdRU/ff4K1eAl8PvHAJ4T/dHBDgMFwpkB8AJohMq91HoOfPLSEn9ssotdl0d pEeD/BhjZatCjxR+RDzQZHzN8D6ki36Iz2nqBPY6iB7GZ2FKtDg6/4+gonMV1C22 bqYmdhye520UXlktTGR1HwyGlTBk+hBR1zCWO3SlOrII7ZcRTRDdzh8Zw4Zp0QIJ xXMsxCb+bHjKnyF37nOpUhXvSl+v1sngnCmPPeV6QHBO2nTWkoBuAhzBv6cUB2YM XLUQ8ZDL698tH1Yplm9vOZBzfJ9MKepNBLiDvyGown9sgRo71kMbh69Zih5eGs3i =N8iS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From evolt at gmx.net Wed Feb 26 08:29:01 2003 From: evolt at gmx.net (Gijs van Tulder) Date: Wed Feb 26 08:29:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] visible/invisible frames In-Reply-To: <698242775.20030226142039@pmason.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <KNEOKJCOCHEDPIMPAIMIAEOGDJAA.evolt@gmx.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: **1st Vamp** > Subject: Re: [thelist] visible/invisible frames > How about assigning a class or id to the frame and setting > display:none? That just seems to make the contents of the frame invisible, not the frame itself. If you want, for example, a frame with help to appear when you click the 'help' button, you don't want to see the empty space for that frame if the help is hidden. Gijs -------------------------- Gijs van Tulder gvtulder at members.evolt.org http://gvtulder.f2o.org/ From rwd at csi1st.net Wed Feb 26 08:33:01 2003 From: rwd at csi1st.net (Ron Dorman) Date: Wed Feb 26 08:33:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Referral Programs References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEGCGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3E5CCE25.40000@csi1st.net> .jeff wrote: >belinda, > >><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< >>From: Belinda Johnson >><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< >> > >maybe this is a sign that it's time to pursue a solution geared towards his business with a professional with experience in this area? > this is really out of line jeff. Belinda seems to have enough skill and professionalism to find the right solution and came to us with a request to assist her in serving her client. the reason for this list is to ask and learn. Belinda, I know of two carts that have affiliate programs included: Interchange - large, capable package, can be heavily customized, big learning curve, freeware on Linux based platforms. phpShop - medium to large, customizable, affiliates module is an addon, some learning curve, freeware/inexpensive addon modules, php on Linux based platforms. I have worked with both and had satisfactory results. May or maynot fit your needs. Ron D. From hblair at hotfootmail.com Wed Feb 26 08:35:01 2003 From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair) Date: Wed Feb 26 08:35:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Can I capture part of a link? Message-ID: <004501c2dda4$67d6ca60$6601a8c0@transportgx> I can't find the answer to this question. Scene: Person is sent an email with a link to click on that looks something like this: http://www.domain.com/AAA###### or http://www.domain.com?AAA###### where "A" is an alpha character and # is a number, length from 1 to 6. User clicks on that link which takes them to a web page that's a survey. They fill out the survey and an email is sent and/or their entries are added to a database. What I need is to track that AAA###### with their responses. The client doesn't want the user to be required to enter any identifying information. This code will just be used to track the distribution of responses. I can't figure out how to do that with just an HTML page. Just looking in the server log won't be acceptable, the code has to travel with the responses. Can that be done? How? Or will I need to use some Perl routine or a PHP page? The server is 'nix so Perl/PHP are available. I've just not run into this issue before so I'm lost. Thanks in advance, -- Hugh From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Wed Feb 26 08:40:01 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Wed Feb 26 08:40:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Idea: Distributed CMS. Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B3E@fsjubj05> > Firstly, it is important to note this I do not see a central > database with mini websites. In this system each site is its > own master - a peer to peer network in effect. This enables > each individual site to keep control in there hands. For > instance, if a roleplaying club joins a national group of > roleplayers and later on disagrees with them on some > fundamental idea, they can if they choose simply leave the > group and still own all there own content, domain name and website. James, Having just read your requirements, and having not used this product at all (but wanting to in the near future), it sounds like your requirement could at least partially be met by using the MoveableType[0] weblog at each installation, having multiple contributers per weblog, and then using MoveableType's TrackBack[1] capability. A quote from the TrackBack docs: "Using TrackBack, the other weblogger can automatically send a ping to your weblog, indicating that he has written an entry referencing your original post." The neat thing is, from what I've seen you can ping categories on remote sites, and this could work the way you are wanting. I see a site like LazyWeb[2] set up for universities, with hundreds of categories set up, and each category pingable from remote weblogs. Whenever someone posts to a roleplayer weblog at one university, they ping the Role Playing category at the central server, and other university sites interested in that can then pull down the RSS feed for that category. The important thing to remember is, with pings, you are only passing around notification of content, not the actual content. So the RSS feeds generated by this central machine would only contain pointers to the original resources on the individual university servers. This is massively scalable and known to work, because hundreds of thousands of weblogs are doing this every day. And as far as not wanting to have a central server, remember that DayPop[3] and LazyWeb are central servers, and they work very well. They have their growth problems, but hey, who wouldn't with a service like that? HTH, -dave [0] http://www.moveabletype.org [1] http://www.moveabletype.org/docs/mtmanual_trackback.html [2] http://www.lazyweb.org/ [3] http://www.daypop.com From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Wed Feb 26 08:48:11 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Wed Feb 26 08:48:11 2003 Subject: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B3F@fsjubj05> > You hit what I want to do right on the head. I don't want to > give up so easy, though. OK... > I have an idea. If I have a Session() variable that I can > set to 1 if the user wishes to quit, then I can test for that > in my do ... loop. The only problem is how to set the > Session() variable inside a javascript or vbscript. You can't. By Javascript I assume you mean on the client, not Jscript on the server? If client, then no, definitely not -- they are two totally separate processes. Once the client hands off processing to the server, the only thing it can do is wait for a response. It can't interact with a running process on the server. Doing anything else would require a stateful connection, which is exactly what HTTP does NOT provide. Because once that Javascript fired and sent some more data to the server, the server thinks it's a *completely new* connection, and starts another process while the other one is running. And when the first completes, you never know, because you broke the existing connection by sending more data and creating a new connection. Does that make sense at all? You maintain a connection to the server for one reason only, to receive data. This is the way HTTP is designed. > <script language="javascript"> > function funcName() > { > var s = <%=Session("varname")%>; > . > . > return true; > } > </script> The reason you can do this is that the ASP process executes the ASP script and dumps the output to the Response stream, which in turn is handed back to the IIS process which writes the result to the browser. So the Session variable above is being written *on the server in memory*, then the final HTML page is sent to the end user's browser. Don't confuse the two processes. > How about going the other way? If I could set a session > variable from within a javascript I would be all set. > Perhaps with remote scripting??? Remote scripting creates a new connection. These aren't called "dumb browsers" for nothing. :) HTH, -dave From joshua at waetech.com Wed Feb 26 08:50:00 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Wed Feb 26 08:50:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Can I capture part of a link? References: <004501c2dda4$67d6ca60$6601a8c0@transportgx> Message-ID: <055901c2dda6$5da24360$0300a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Blair" <hblair at hotfootmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:36 AM > I can't figure out how to do that with just an HTML page. > Just looking in the server log won't be acceptable, the > code has to travel with the responses. Hugh, If you have JS available to you, then you could append that code to the end of the URL for all links and form actions using client side script. Here's some pseudocode to assist you: function called within onload determine token from existing URL loop through all anchors on page (document.getElementsByTagName) append token to end of URL loop through all forms on page (document.forms) append token to end of the action attribute The other option is to make all anchors and forms on the page call JS functions instead of the next page directly. That would give you a chance to change the URL to include the token on-demand instead of up-front. If you don't know enough JS to pull this off, give a holler. If you can't use JS, you may find that this problem is not solvable without some sort of back-end scripting language. -joshua From martyn.haigh at virgincosmetics.com Wed Feb 26 08:51:02 2003 From: martyn.haigh at virgincosmetics.com (Martyn Haigh) Date: Wed Feb 26 08:51:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] Can I capture part of a link? Message-ID: <9704A1D08FFD4A499291F102F243E3EE01956AA6@CHEXCHANGE> You could always do something like this (excuses for pseudo-code I have a raging flu and I'm just about to go home) : <html> ... .. ... .. <script...> .. on page load get querystring and insert it into hidden field ("userRef") .. </script> .. .. HTML Code <input type="hidden" name="userRef" /> .. .. this can then be processed when you process the form OR <html> ... .. ... .. <script...> .. on page load get querystring and change the form action to somepage.html?userRef=AAA###### .. </script> .. .. HTML Code <form .....> .. .. you can use this one if you have multiple pages on your forms and you can use the same piece of javascript. BUT The easiest way to go about doing this is through PHP/perl I would say - how were you going to process the form after it was submitted - surely if you are going to add it to a DB then you will have to do some processing on it. Anyway - I hope this helps a bit, I'm sure someone will be able to help you out with exact Javascript coding. M DISCLAIMER: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. From belinda at prodsol.net Wed Feb 26 09:00:01 2003 From: belinda at prodsol.net (Belinda Johnson) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:00:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Referral Programs In-Reply-To: <3E5CCE25.40000@csi1st.net> Message-ID: <LCEMLPCMGHFOELKBGAKHEEIFCIAA.belinda@prodsol.net> Much appreciated Ron. As we were out looking for options on the web we came across http://www.referralsoftware.com/start.html, which is approx $300. I'm not ever opposed to paying for the right solution in lieu of something free - I learned that a LONG time ago - but I suggested to Jackie (my reseller on this server whose client it actually is for) that she not jump to purchasing any solution until I had a chance to ask some opinions, at which point I posted my question a few hours ago. Does anyone have any comments/opinions on this particular app? We've been talking for several months about changing to a more scalable shopping cart solution and now that the affiliate question has come into discussion I am hoping we can find a fully encompassing solution rather than customize a new shopping cart system and then have to re-do it yet again to accomodate affiliate tracking. Again - I really welcome additional comments/suggestions in this area. Belinda ****************** Belinda, I know of two carts that have affiliate programs included: Interchange - large, capable package, can be heavily customized, big learning curve, freeware on Linux based platforms. phpShop - medium to large, customizable, affiliates module is an addon, some learning curve, freeware/inexpensive addon modules, php on Linux based platforms. I have worked with both and had satisfactory results. May or maynot fit your needs. Ron D. ***************** From rwhitener at DesignOptions.com Wed Feb 26 09:06:00 2003 From: rwhitener at DesignOptions.com (Rob Whitener) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:06:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Online credit card processing. Message-ID: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA644555E@exmail.designoptions.com> I am trying to make sense setting up an online merchant account and how much I should pay. I have been looking at a company known as innovative merchant solutions through a web design company known as Avalon (they basically sell flash websites to resellers. The sites look nice, but I am not completely sold on the idea). This is what they charge for a merchant account: Discount rate: 2.59% (max) transaction fee $.30 customer service fee $10/month monthly minimum: $25.00 Gateway Access fee: $10.00 Gateway Transaction fee: $.10 Set up and activation of merchant account including internet payment gateway: $995.00 Their discount rates and monthly fees seem high compared to places like Charge.com, and gotmerchant.com, but I am not sure about the set up and activation which includes the payment gateway. Isn't this just the shopping cart wrapped up in some fancy language? If so, a thousand bucks seems pretty high. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob From markgill at uwalumni.com Wed Feb 26 09:09:01 2003 From: markgill at uwalumni.com (Mark Gillingham) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:09:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Seeking Win98 Client for Hylafax In-Reply-To: <20030225180435.B7AEF3A1C@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <9D6E569A-4917-11D7-8C66-0003937E3BCA@uwalumni.com> I noticed that w2hfax has not been update since June 2000. Do you know of a better client for Hylafax than w2hfax for Win98? The purpose is to send occasional faxes to our clients--several hundred at a time. Mark From gozz at gozz.com Wed Feb 26 09:19:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:19:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Can I capture part of a link? In-Reply-To: <004501c2dda4$67d6ca60$6601a8c0@transportgx> Message-ID: <CF568483-499D-11D7-B512-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 08:36 AM, Hugh Blair wrote: > Scene: > Person is sent an email with a link to click on that looks > something like this: http://www.domain.com/AAA###### or > http://www.domain.com?AAA###### [...] > What I need is to track that AAA###### with their responses. > I can't figure out how to do that with just an HTML page. Although the JS suggestions would work, why does it need to be "just an html page"? The best solution would be to modify the form, or the script that processes the form so it grabs the AAA###### from the environment variables that the webserver makes available to the script. I'm sure if you told us what language the processing script is in, someone will reply with some example code in short order. ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From morgan at morgankelsey.com Wed Feb 26 09:23:01 2003 From: morgan at morgankelsey.com (Morgan Kelsey) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:23:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Referral Programs References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEGCGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> <3E5CCE25.40000@csi1st.net> Message-ID: <002501c2ddaa$e562c730$6801a8c0@jakibyard> ron, >>> What are some recommended software/scripts/resources to consider? His site >>> is on a Windows server, but we could just as easily put him on one of my >>> Linux servers. >>> He is currently using Mals for his shopping cart needs - which we have WAY >>> outgrown on this site - he started off with a very small amount of products >>> and it has been successful enough to warrant a far more robust back end at >>> this point, and also to the point that he is starting to get requests for >>> affiliate options." >> >>maybe this is a sign that it's time to pursue a solution geared towards his business with a professional with experience in this area? >> > this is really out of line jeff. Belinda seems to have enough skill and > professionalism to find the right solution and came to us with a request > to assist her in serving her client. the reason for this list is to ask > and learn. > i really don't see how jeff offering his advice is out of line. in fact, i think he's offering belinda good advice here. suggesting moving a linux based shopping cart to windows to satisfy an affiliate requirement? that isn't very good judgement IMO. an affiliate program is fairly simple to implement. incoming URLs usually have a key in the query string, at which point your options are to drop a cookie on the client or try to maintain the URL variable all the way to check out. sure, learning on the client's dollar is the hallmark of every sucessful freelance business, but outsourcing your needs is also an important component. personally, i don't design sites anymore because i suck at it. i hire freelance designers and build the backend, which happens to be my forte. reading belinda's posts doesn't lead me to believe backend is her strong area, but she must be strong in some other area, because her clients obviously like her. maybe you don't agree with jeff's advice, but it's certianly not "out of line" nagrom http://morgankelsey.com From pixelmech at yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 09:23:48 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:23:48 2003 Subject: [thelist] Online credit card processing. In-Reply-To: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA644555E@exmail.designoptions.com> Message-ID: <20030226152343.17068.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com> --- Rob Whitener <rwhitener at DesignOptions.com> wrote: > I am trying to make sense setting up an online merchant account and > how much I should pay. I have been looking at a company known as > innovative merchant solutions through a web design company known > as Avalon (they basically sell flash websites to resellers. The > sites look nice, but I am not completely sold on the idea). Rob, welcome to the world of cut-throat. I briefly sold merchant accounts, so here's some advice: Make sure you go with a company that has been around, check them out. This is the most cut-throat business around, there are so many companies out there selling merchant accounts and they all claim they are the best and the biggest. So make sure you get a company that will give you service and is always available to you. > Discount rate: 2.59% (max) > transaction fee $.30 Those are about average, although you should be able to get a $.25 trans fee. > customer service fee $10/month You can get as low as $5, not a big deal. > monthly minimum: $25.00 <-- typical > Gateway Access fee: $10.00 <-- typical > Gateway Transaction fee: $.10 <-- typical > Set up and activation of merchant account including internet > payment gateway: $995.00 That sounds high, but its been awhile for me. > Their discount rates and monthly fees seem high compared to places > like Charge.com, and gotmerchant.com, but I am not sure about the > set up and activation which includes the payment gateway. Isn't > this just the shopping cart wrapped up in some fancy language? If > so, a thousand bucks seems pretty high. Any input would be > greatly appreciated. Just make sure you have all the fees up front too, sometimes they will try and stick it to you other ways - read the application and anything you sign VERY carefully. Don't know if you have a terminal, or if they are offering a virtual terminal or what, but you can buy a used terminal on ebay and have it programmed for your merchant account and save money. You could just capture the card numbers on your site and run them manually that way. Probably not a lot of help but something to think about. I too have to do this soon so I will be watching for more info. Tom ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From hblair at hotfootmail.com Wed Feb 26 09:28:00 2003 From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:28:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Can I capture part of a link? In-Reply-To: <CF568483-499D-11D7-B512-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <005501c2ddab$b635cb00$6601a8c0@transportgx> > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Erik Mattheis > > Although the JS suggestions would work, why does it need to > be "just an html page"? > > The best solution would be to modify the form, or the script that > processes the form so it grabs the AAA###### from the environment > variables that the webserver makes available to the script. > > I'm sure if you told us what language the processing script is in, > someone will reply with some example code in short order. That hasn't been determined, although a Perl script is their first choice. I'm trying to get them away from Matt's form mailer - I may actually be able to get that done this time. So example code in Perl would be great. Thanks, Hugh From rwhitener at DesignOptions.com Wed Feb 26 09:33:01 2003 From: rwhitener at DesignOptions.com (Rob Whitener) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:33:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Online credit card processing. Message-ID: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA6445560@exmail.designoptions.com> Tom, Thanks for the input, that is a little helpful. One thing I forgot to mention in my original e-mail: > Set up and activation of merchant account including internet > payment gateway: $995.00 This is a supposedly "Discounted price", where originally it would have been: VISA/MC application and processing: $295 Setup and activation of a merchant account by Avalon including internet payment gateway: $2500 But in order to get the discount, I had to purchase "That day, right now!". I have three days to determine whether they are trying to screw me. My gut feeling is they are trying to screw me. What do you think? Rob From martyn.haigh at virgincosmetics.com Wed Feb 26 09:40:01 2003 From: martyn.haigh at virgincosmetics.com (Martyn Haigh) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:40:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Online credit card processing. Message-ID: <9704A1D08FFD4A499291F102F243E3EE01956AA9@CHEXCHANGE> <snip> > But in order to get the discount, I had to purchase "That day, right > now!". > I have three days to determine whether they are trying to screw me. My > gut > feeling is they are trying to screw me. What do you think? </snip> I don't know anything about online credit card processing but this reminds me of the old trick builders used to use, pay me now and I'll do it for a discounted price. Why would a reputable company want to lower their price for only the 3 days after you express your interest? If they were going to lower their price, they would do so until you expressed an interest either way. I would say this was a high pressure sale - maybe they have something to hide? Why else would they only give you 3 days? I'd say they were trying to screw you! Sorry - but I hate that being forced to buy something before you really want to by pretending to lower the price kinda stuff, it really pisses me off! M DISCLAIMER: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. From chris at ecleanuk.com Wed Feb 26 09:42:01 2003 From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:42:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Can I capture part of a link? In-Reply-To: <005501c2ddab$b635cb00$6601a8c0@transportgx> Message-ID: <000201c2ddad$cb316d50$d700000a@dev01> [..] > That hasn't been determined, although a Perl script is their > first choice. I'm trying to get them away from Matt's form > mailer - I may actually be able to get that done this time. > > So example code in Perl would be great. #!/usr/bin/perl use CGI; ##---------------------------## my $CGI = new CGI; my $id = $CGI->param('id'); ##---------------------------## print $CGI->header; print <<printHTML; <html><head><title>Test</title></head><body> <form> <input type='hidden' name='id' value='$id' /> </form> ID=$id </body></html> printHTML That should give you an idea... Regards Chris Marsh From badlanners at hotmail.com Wed Feb 26 09:43:01 2003 From: badlanners at hotmail.com (Adam Slesinger) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:43:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] From textarea field to SQL Server column Message-ID: <OE746pkNzPZrIkyPzGN0000483a@hotmail.com> Hello everyone, I have an asp form that takes the info and updates a SQL Server table. One of the form fields is a textarea field for a long description and I'm having trouble getting the value from that field into the table. Sometimes it cuts the submission at 256 characters, sometimes it stops earlier when there is a line break and new paragraph. I have been trying different column Data Types in SQL server, but am at a loss. I need to get every bit of info from that field - as many characters and line breaks that are entered. Any suggestions on what data type i need for my column, and if i am running into a restriction with the textarea field? Thanks a lot, adam bread_man "Ein halber Laib ist besser als gar kein Brot." From dbindel at austin.rr.com Wed Feb 26 09:46:01 2003 From: dbindel at austin.rr.com (David Bindel) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Online credit card processing. In-Reply-To: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA6445560@exmail.designoptions.com> Message-ID: <000201c2ddae$669a2020$0301a8c0@DAVID> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rob Whitener > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:39 AM > To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org' > Subject: RE: [thelist] Online credit card processing. > > Thanks for the input, that is a little helpful. One thing I > forgot to mention in my original e-mail: > > > Set up and activation of merchant account including > internet payment > > gateway: $995.00 > > This is a supposedly "Discounted price", where originally it > would have > been: > VISA/MC application and processing: $295 > Setup and activation of a merchant account by Avalon > including internet payment gateway: $2500 > > But in order to get the discount, I had to purchase "That > day, right now!". I have three days to determine whether they > are trying to screw me. My gut feeling is they are trying to > screw me. What do you think? I can't make any promises, but I do agree with you. $995 for a payment gateway? It's been about a year since I had a client that used a payment gateway (I'm not sure what it was actually called because they already had it set up before they came to me), and they paid around $200/month + per transaction fees. I thought this was out of the question for them, but they disagreed and refused to change to a different provider. Like the previous repliers have said, make sure that the company is legit. Actually go out and contact other people who use their services. If they go under a month from now, that steep $995 setup fee was wasted money and your client will inevitably be pissed about it. I'm not really sure what a standard price for a merchant account is, but IMO, $1000 is a price I would not pay myself. But hey: if the service is good and your client can afford it, go for the gold. HTH, David Bindel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPlzhmH6TtTuKuQdTEQJhTACgiqzX39KLbXiF3YrwXITZc2MFbsAAn342 EeGQbyeggryQkoABkrrek6RR =uz5u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chris at ecleanuk.com Wed Feb 26 09:52:00 2003 From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:52:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Online credit card processing. In-Reply-To: <9704A1D08FFD4A499291F102F243E3EE01956AA9@CHEXCHANGE> Message-ID: <000401c2ddaf$23bd2990$d700000a@dev01> [..] > Why would a reputable company want to lower their price for > only the 3 days after you express your interest? If they Two reasons. 1) (As mentioned) they want to sell you a service that doesn't pass muster under close scrutiny. 2) It's a lie. They'll give you the discount at any point you ask for it. > were going to lower their price, they would do so until you > expressed an interest either way. I would say this was a > high pressure sale - maybe they have something to hide? Why > else would they only give you 3 days? > > I'd say they were trying to screw you! > > Sorry - but I hate that being forced to buy something before > you really want to by pretending to lower the price kinda > stuff, it really pisses me off! Don't prejudge the company. Take your time to make a decision, and if you decide to go with them just insist on the discount. If it's not forthcoming, walk away. My $0.02... Regards Chris Marsh From bev at enso-company.com Wed Feb 26 09:57:00 2003 From: bev at enso-company.com (Bev Corwin) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:57:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Online credit card processing. References: <000201c2ddae$669a2020$0301a8c0@DAVID> Message-ID: <1a1201c2ddb2$f551ef60$6401a8c0@beverlyvgh6gds> > I can't make any promises, but I do agree with you. $995 for a > payment gateway? It's been about a year since I had a client that > used a payment gateway (I'm not sure what it was actually called > because they already had it set up before they came to me), and they > paid around $200/month + per transaction fees. I thought this was > out of the question for them, but they disagreed and refused to > change to a different provider. Geez... these are both very expensive examples. The merchant accounts that we setup are about $30 / month + small transaction charges. The Internet Point of Sale System is about $250 to setup and then $30 / month, plus very small transaction charges. Plus you have a complete accounting management system included for your merchant account and by using it, you save the $450 to $800 for those expensive credit card machines. The system replaces the need for the machine. Just amazing how expensive the systems you mention are. Hard to believe! Can you identify them? Thanks, Bev From hershelr at netvision.net.il Wed Feb 26 09:58:00 2003 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:58:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Windows streaming media on a Mac? Message-ID: <005901c2ddaf$f1a8c4e0$0101c80a@hershel> Can someone with a Mac (and maybe someone withOUT a Mac too) check out this page: http://www.thereisone.com/books&music.htm and let me know if the sounds files are useable. I did not actually design/build this site but I am responsible for it. I put in the links for Mac users to install Windows Media Player but one user with IE 5.1 on OS 9 reports that he installed the player but the sound links come up as garbled text in his browser. He also said that he even downloaded one of the files and it still wouldn't play. Why are the sound files in Windows media format? Good question. That's how the original site designer did it. Do I want to change them? Only as a very last option. Why? I ain't gettin' paid hourly here. :) Any ideas appreciated. Thanks, Hershel From pixelmech at yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 09:59:01 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Wed Feb 26 09:59:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Online credit card processing. In-Reply-To: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA6445560@exmail.designoptions.com> Message-ID: <20030226155951.21141.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com> --- Rob Whitener <rwhitener at DesignOptions.com> wrote: > This is a supposedly "Discounted price", where originally it would > have > been: > VISA/MC application and processing: $295 > Setup and activation of a ..internet payment gateway: $2500 > But in order to get the discount, I had to purchase "That day, > right now!". That's your first clue you are dealing with a BullSh!t company. Run fast the other way. Anyone who pushes on you like that has something to hide. Legit companies have fair deals EVERY day. > I have three days to determine whether they are trying to screw me. > My gut feeling is they are trying to screw me. What do you think? I shall quoteth Monty Python: "Run away! Run away!" Tom ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From rwhitener at DesignOptions.com Wed Feb 26 10:02:01 2003 From: rwhitener at DesignOptions.com (Rob Whitener) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:02:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Online credit card processing. Message-ID: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA6445561@exmail.designoptions.com> >2) It's a lie. They'll give you the discount at any point you ask for >it. Kind of the way I felt. >Don't prejudge the company. Take your time to make a decision, and if >you decide to go with them just insist on the discount. If it's not >forthcoming, walk away. I think this is a good idea. I should be able to take my time. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marsh [mailto:chris at ecleanuk.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:53 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] Online credit card processing. [..] > Why would a reputable company want to lower their price for > only the 3 days after you express your interest? If they Two reasons. 1) (As mentioned) they want to sell you a service that doesn't pass muster under close scrutiny. > were going to lower their price, they would do so until you > expressed an interest either way. I would say this was a > high pressure sale - maybe they have something to hide? Why > else would they only give you 3 days? > > I'd say they were trying to screw you! > > Sorry - but I hate that being forced to buy something before > you really want to by pretending to lower the price kinda > stuff, it really pisses me off! My $0.02... Regards Chris Marsh -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From gozz at gozz.com Wed Feb 26 10:03:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:03:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [PHP] oddity: popping array from function Message-ID: <E0C2CF65-49A3-11D7-B512-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> I'm getting some behavior I would consider bizarre ... but I'm sure it's because PHP functions behave differently than I expect them to ... I had things working fine, and decided to turn a large block of code into a function, as I would need to use it elsewhere ... when the same code is executed from a function, the results are different ... here's the applicable code: <code> $link = mysql_connect("127.0.0.1","root","xxx"); $table = mysql_select_db("sleep"); $query = "SELECT event_type, UNIX_TIMESTAMP(common_time) AS unix_time, common_time from events ORDER BY unix_time"; $result = mysql_query($query); $results = array(); while ($results []= mysql_fetch_assoc($result)); $structure = array(); // this is the function, shortened to illustrate function returnItem($begin,$end,$event_type) { $a = array('unix_time' => $begin, 'event_type' => $event_type); return $a; } for ($i = 0; $i < count($results) - 1; $i++) { $a = returnItem($results[$i],$results[$i+1],$results[$i]['event_type']); $structure []= $a; } print_r($structure); </code> This prints: Array ( [0] => Array ( [unix_time] => Array ( [event_type] => s [unix_time] => 1045976400 [common_time] => 2003-02-22 23:00:00 ) [event_type] => s ) Before I made the function, it behaved as desired, creating: Array ( [0] => Array ( [unix_time] => 1045976400 [event_type] => s ) If I don't fetch the common_time in the SELECT, [common_time] => 2003-02-22 23:00:00 is absent from the problematic results ... which gives me a clue as to there where but not as to the why. ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From jason at devnetwork.net Wed Feb 26 10:03:28 2003 From: jason at devnetwork.net (Jason Lotito) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:03:28 2003 Subject: [thelist] Can I capture part of a link? References: <004501c2dda4$67d6ca60$6601a8c0@transportgx> Message-ID: <3E5CE4B3.1070801@devnetwork.net> Hugh Blair wrote: > I can't find the answer to this question. > > Scene: > Person is sent an email with a link to click on that looks > something like this: http://www.domain.com/AAA###### or > http://www.domain.com?AAA###### where "A" is an alpha > character and # is a number, length from 1 to 6. User > clicks on that link which takes them to a web page that's > a survey. They fill out the survey and an email is sent > and/or their entries are added to a database. > > What I need is to track that AAA###### with their responses. > The client doesn't want the user to be required to enter any > identifying information. This code will just be used to track > the distribution of responses. > > I can't figure out how to do that with just an HTML page. > Just looking in the server log won't be acceptable, the > code has to travel with the responses. > > Can that be done? How? Or will I need to use some Perl > routine or a PHP page? The server is 'nix so Perl/PHP are > available. > > I've just not run into this issue before so I'm lost. > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > Hugh > Rather simple. Just run a session as the user is on the site via PHP, and you can track the individual. domain.com?id=AAA###### <?php start_session(); $_SESSION['id'] = $_GET['id'] db_query("INSERT INTO tracker ( id, page, datetime ) VALUES ( '{$_SESSION['id']}', '{$_SERVER['PHP_SELF']}', NOW())"); ?> That is rather basic code, needs error checking, hasn't been tested, etc, but gives you a good idea of a simply way to do this. Tracking the users and storing the details in a database. Jason From jason at devnetwork.net Wed Feb 26 10:04:06 2003 From: jason at devnetwork.net (Jason Lotito) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:04:06 2003 Subject: [thelist] Can I capture part of a link? References: <004501c2dda4$67d6ca60$6601a8c0@transportgx> Message-ID: <3E5CE4EA.5020208@devnetwork.net> Hugh Blair wrote: > I can't find the answer to this question. > > Scene: > Person is sent an email with a link to click on that looks > something like this: http://www.domain.com/AAA###### or > http://www.domain.com?AAA###### where "A" is an alpha > character and # is a number, length from 1 to 6. User > clicks on that link which takes them to a web page that's > a survey. They fill out the survey and an email is sent > and/or their entries are added to a database. > > What I need is to track that AAA###### with their responses. > The client doesn't want the user to be required to enter any > identifying information. This code will just be used to track > the distribution of responses. > > I can't figure out how to do that with just an HTML page. > Just looking in the server log won't be acceptable, the > code has to travel with the responses. > > Can that be done? How? Or will I need to use some Perl > routine or a PHP page? The server is 'nix so Perl/PHP are > available. > > I've just not run into this issue before so I'm lost. > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > Hugh > Rather simple. Just run a session as the user is on the site via PHP, and you can track the individual. domain.com?id=AAA###### <?php start_session(); $_SESSION['id'] = $_GET['id'] db_query("INSERT INTO tracker ( id, page, datetime ) VALUES ( '{$_SESSION['id']}', '{$_SERVER['PHP_SELF']}', NOW())"); ?> That is rather basic code, needs error checking, hasn't been tested, etc, but gives you a good idea of a simply way to do this. Tracking the users and storing the details in a database. Jason From rwhitener at DesignOptions.com Wed Feb 26 10:05:01 2003 From: rwhitener at DesignOptions.com (Rob Whitener) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:05:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Online credit card processing. Message-ID: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA6445562@exmail.designoptions.com> >Just amazing how expensive the systems you >mention are. Hard to believe! Can you identify them? Avalon Business Direct is the company and they sell merchant accounts through Innovative Marketing Solutions These guys avalon are selling a product known as flash secret that allows non-programmers the ability to make flash web apps using a wysiwg interface. Thanks, Rob -----Original Message----- From: Bev Corwin [mailto:bev at enso-company.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:20 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Online credit card processing. > I can't make any promises, but I do agree with you. $995 for a > payment gateway? It's been about a year since I had a client that > used a payment gateway (I'm not sure what it was actually called > because they already had it set up before they came to me), and they > paid around $200/month + per transaction fees. I thought this was > out of the question for them, but they disagreed and refused to > change to a different provider. Geez... these are both very expensive examples. The merchant accounts that we setup are about $30 / month + small transaction charges. The Internet Point of Sale System is about $250 to setup and then $30 / month, plus very small transaction charges. Plus you have a complete accounting management system included for your merchant account and by using it, you save the $450 to $800 for those expensive credit card machines. The system replaces the need for the machine. Thanks, Bev -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From PKOUTOUL at Fayette.k12.ky.us Wed Feb 26 10:16:00 2003 From: PKOUTOUL at Fayette.k12.ky.us (Koutoulas, Pete) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:16:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] From textarea field to SQL Server column Message-ID: <269EFA4D16B9C8408697D60BCE064411015674B8@E165000N6> On Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:36 AM, Adam Slesinger wrote: > I have an asp form that takes the info and updates a SQL Server > table. One of the form fields is a textarea field for a long > description and I'm having trouble getting the value from that field > into the table. Sometimes it cuts the submission at 256 characters, > sometimes it stops earlier when there is a line break and new > paragraph. I have been trying different column Data Types in SQL > server, but am at a loss. I need to get every bit of info from that > field - as many characters and line breaks that are entered. Any > suggestions on what data type i need for my column, and if i am > running into a restriction with the textarea field? > I do this all the time. Use 'text' data type. It will hold megs of data. [ pete ] This student or staff email originated from Fayette County Public Schools in Lexington, KY. Please report instances of abuse or inappropriate content to postmaster at fcps.net From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Wed Feb 26 10:21:00 2003 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:21:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Referral Programs In-Reply-To: <LCEMLPCMGHFOELKBGAKHCEHOCIAA.belinda@prodsol.net> References: <1B3AE055-484C-11D7-BD81-003065557588@mac.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030226111234.015dc2b8@craftedsolutions.com> At 05:07 AM 2/26/2003, Belinda Johnson wrote: >Hi all - > >One of my clients wants to start an affiliate program (to offer affiliate >linking on his ecommerce site) and I am unfamiliar with being on that end of >it. I've been on the receiving end of affiliate programs like Linkshare, >Befree, etc - but not on the merchant side before. > >What are some recommended software/scripts/resources to consider? His site >is on a Windows server, but we could just as easily put him on one of my >Linux servers. > >He is currently using Mals for his shopping cart needs - which we have WAY >outgrown on this site - he started off with a very small amount of products >and it has been successful enough to warrant a far more robust back end at >this point, and also to the point that he is starting to get requests for >affiliate options. > >Thanks in advance for suggestions. > >Belinda Belinda, I use Miva Merchant on my e-commerce sites as it comes attractively packaged with my hosting company. Recently they released a compiled version which is much faster than the VM version (http://www.miva.com). Merchant has a large support community and hundreds of add-on modules to help tailor the shopping cart to your specific needs (http://www.mvcool.com/ and http://www.vikingcoders.com/ are two sellers of modules). For one module specific to affiliates see http://vikingcoders.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=VC&Product_Code=BROK_AFFILIATES. I have been pleased with Merchant as a low to mid-range solution, though I would hesitate to recommend it for a high-end need. YMMMV, Norman www.CraftedSolutions.com From gozz at gozz.com Wed Feb 26 10:21:36 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:21:36 2003 Subject: [thelist] Windows streaming media on a Mac? In-Reply-To: <005901c2ddaf$f1a8c4e0$0101c80a@hershel> Message-ID: <692CB166-49A6-11D7-B512-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 09:56 AM, Hershel Robinson wrote: > Can someone with a Mac (and maybe someone withOUT a Mac too) check out > this > page: > > http://www.thereisone.com/books&music.htm > > and let me know if the sounds files are useable. Yes, but not for people who don't know they can copy http://www.thereisone.com/audio/wholearth2.wma into their location bar to download it. First idea is a "must do" : set the correct mim-types for .wax: and .wma <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ dnwmt/html/mime.asp> (It's sending text/plain) Second idea, after you do the first and if it still doesn't work: link directly to the .wma file. This won't be true streaming, but it will begin to play as soon as enough has downloaded. > Why are the sound files in Windows media format? Good question. > That's how > the original site designer did it. Do I want to change them? Only as > a > very last option. Why? I ain't gettin' paid hourly here. :) If you do a lot of media conversion, <http://www.discreet.com/products/cleaner/> is a great investment. Just set it up and go to bed and wake up in the morning having done hours of work. ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From dan at dwc.to Wed Feb 26 10:28:00 2003 From: dan at dwc.to (Dan Horning) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:28:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Online credit card processing. In-Reply-To: <1a1201c2ddb2$f551ef60$6401a8c0@beverlyvgh6gds> Message-ID: <000201c2ddb4$184e4670$2f1e9942@dwchome> > $995 for a payment gateway? As far as the payment gateways go.. And merchant accounts.. Check out verisign.com they do actually have options for that.. Also look around, as said before, for other rates.. I used to direct sell processing and I've never seen a rate that high except maybe from cardservice of america (who will provide CC for just anyone) and even with the company I was working with I didn't want to stay with them long b/c of the markups they do.. Be careful.. And worst case check out something like worldpay.. >From the Desk of Dan Horning find out what it means to be only limited by imagination at Dsoundmn's Web Creations PO Box 109, Clifton Park, NY 12065-0109 --------------------------------------------------------------- Online: dsoundmn (AIM / Yahoo) dan at dwc.to (MSN) 14308614 (ICQ) From gozz at gozz.com Wed Feb 26 10:28:10 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:28:10 2003 Subject: [thelist] From textarea field to SQL Server column In-Reply-To: <OE746pkNzPZrIkyPzGN0000483a@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <73BB3592-49A7-11D7-B512-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 09:35 AM, Adam Slesinger wrote: > Any > suggestions on what data type i need for my column, and if i am > running into > a restriction with the textarea field? Are you submitting the form with GET or POST? If it's "GET", that is possibly the problem as you run into limitations on the length of a URL. ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From r937 at interlog.com Wed Feb 26 10:38:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:38:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] From textarea field to SQL Server column References: <OE746pkNzPZrIkyPzGN0000483a@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c2ddb5$8020fda0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> when the textarea gets cut off after a line break, it's likely your code when it gets cut off after a 256, the target datatype is probably varchar(256) change this to varchar(nnnn) where nnnn < 8000 an html textarea can be 32k if i'm not mistaken, so if you need more than 8000, use text datatype, which can hold up to 2g a text column when you don't really need one may involve needless overhead, so use sparingly rudy From jwitchel at colevalleygroup.com Wed Feb 26 10:39:11 2003 From: jwitchel at colevalleygroup.com (John Witchel) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:39:11 2003 Subject: [thelist] Creating MSWord doc and converting to PDF on the fly via ASP In-Reply-To: <20030226143841.12B6ABFAE@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <GDEJJLNGGJPIMCCEMILIOEKDCPAA.jwitchel@colevalleygroup.com> Hi, We use TallComponents www.tallcompoents.com for PDF generation at www.browsercam.com. (The system generates invoices in HTML and then passes them to TallPDF which spits out a PDF of the invoice on the fly.) It's scaled really well, and we've had no complaints so far. --john From eric.s.howard at loram.com Wed Feb 26 10:42:00 2003 From: eric.s.howard at loram.com (eric.s.howard at loram.com) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:42:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] visible/invisible frames Message-ID: <OFF967AA77.3EE7ABC4-ON86256CD9.005B2062-86256CD9.005BB83E@loram.com> I have made an error. It is not a frame at all. I hope this will help. I would like to place a button/text that will make this sidebar visible/invisible.  <STYLE> A { COLOR: maroon } A:link { COLOR: maroon } A:active { COLOR: maroon } A:visited { COLOR: maroon } </STYLE> <td width=150 valign=top align="center" bgcolor="#FFCC66">  <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border='0' width='95%'> <tr> <td align="center"><img src ="/Loram_PDM/images//loram/log.gif" border="0"></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"><img src ='/Loram_PDM/images/loram/clearpixel.gif>' height='5' width='150'></td> </tr> <tr> <td><font face="verdana" size="-2"> <b>Current user:</b><br> Eric S. Howard</font></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"> </td> </tr>   <tr> <td wrap align="left"><span class=pneNavHeader><a href ="/intradoc-cgi/idc_cgi_isapi.dll?IdcService=GET_PORTAL_PAGE&Action=GetTemplatePage&Page=LORAM_SUBSCRIPTIONS&unsubscribeService=UNSUBSCRIBE_FROM_LIST&subscribeService&title=User+Subscriptions&exitUrl =%3c%24HttpCgiPath%24%3e%3fIdcService%3dGET_PORTAL_PAGE%26Action%3dGetTemplatePage%26Page%3dLORAM_SUBSCRIPTIONS">Subscriptions</a></td> </tr> </table></td>  From joshua at waetech.com Wed Feb 26 10:50:01 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:50:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] From textarea field to SQL Server column References: <OE746pkNzPZrIkyPzGN0000483a@hotmail.com> <00bf01c2ddb5$8020fda0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: <05c001c2ddb7$12d33360$0300a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rudy" <r937 at interlog.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:38 AM > when the textarea gets cut off after a line break, it's likely your code +1 > when it gets cut off after a 256, the target datatype is probably > varchar(256) +1 > change this to varchar(nnnn) where nnnn < 8000 > > an html textarea can be 32k if i'm not mistaken, so if you need more than > 8000, use text datatype, which can hold up to 2g This depends on the browser used. On IE 6.0 PC I have been able to submit up to 64k in data. One Mac I saw limited the post to 32k. I _believe_ this is because the Mac submitted in Unicode and therefore could only submit half the number of characters. -joshua From SCaudill at municode.com Wed Feb 26 10:58:22 2003 From: SCaudill at municode.com (Stephen Caudill) Date: Wed Feb 26 10:58:22 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ASP] cookie question Message-ID: <8BE83ACB4413F246992E7A4EC5DC7D2B2EB476@exchange.internal.municode.com> Ken Schaefer wrote: > When the user next comes back to the site, I don't see what you can't > do: > > <% > strRedirect = Request.Cookies("Homepage") > strParams = Request.Cookies("OptionalParams") > > Select Case strRedirect > Case "FirstHomePage" > Response.Redirect("/somesite/") > Case "SecondHomePage" > Response.Redirect("/someothersite/default.asp?" & strParams) > End Select %> Thanks for replying Ken, I was beginning to think that I was the only one that ever saw my posts. Unfortunately because of the way the site is structured (using a bastardized version of the FuseBox methodology that calls all content into the index page based on querystring parameters) your method did not work. I have figured it out though and I thought I would post the solution in case anyone was interested. <% 'home = 1 is the parameter used to set the cookie home = int(request("home")) if home = 1 then response.Cookies("homepage") = "onlineCodes" response.Cookies("homepage").expires = "01/01/04" end if 'nav=2&id=1 specifies the content for the page the cookie value redirects to if request("nav") = 2 and request("id") = 1 then session("online") = True session.timeout = 60 end if 'creating this session was how I got around the redirect loop if Session("online") <> True then homepage=request.Cookies("homepage") if homepage = "onlineCodes" then response.Redirect("index.asp?nav=2&id=1") end if end if %> So, thar she blows. The page in question is at: http://neohero.municode.com/fusion/index.asp?nav=2&id=1 Thanks, Stephen Caudill From pvandijck at lds.com Wed Feb 26 11:04:01 2003 From: pvandijck at lds.com (Peter VanDijck) Date: Wed Feb 26 11:04:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] PHP RSS gathering script References: <002801c2e50d$d9404a80$a374d8ce@irdpersonel> Message-ID: <3E5CF37A.17FF7C66@lds.com> Hi, I'm looking for a free PHP script that gathers RSS feeds from various sources and can display them on one page. I'm hoping for minimal coding. Anyone know of anything like this? Peter From rwd at csi1st.net Wed Feb 26 11:07:01 2003 From: rwd at csi1st.net (Ron Dorman) Date: Wed Feb 26 11:07:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Referral Programs References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEGCGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> <3E5CCE25.40000@csi1st.net> <002501c2ddaa$e562c730$6801a8c0@jakibyard> Message-ID: <3E5CF45A.3070609@csi1st.net> Morgan Kelsey wrote: >ron, > >i really don't see how jeff offering his advice is out of line. > offering advice is not. the way it was stated suggested to me (and apparently others) that he was saying she needed to pass it off because she wasn't capable of handling it. >in fact, i think he's offering belinda good advice here. suggesting moving a linux based shopping cart to windows to satisfy an affiliate >requirement? that isn't very good judgement IMO. > outsourcing can be a good thing, and if that was the advice, it should have been stated more clearly. the info I provided was not to put linux based carts on windows. it was info about carts I have used to put on the Linux servers Belinda said she had and would consider moving to. hopefully it will help her in her pursuits. Ron D. From james at ripplewebs.com Wed Feb 26 11:09:01 2003 From: james at ripplewebs.com (James Odell) Date: Wed Feb 26 11:09:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Code to send a hidden message that includes a subscribers e-mail address Message-ID: <NHBBLHLPMLGMJGHNNKNJAEIICBAA.james@ripplewebs.com> CODE TO SEND A HIDDEN MESSAGE THAT INCLUDES A NEW SUBSCRIBERS EMAIL ADDRESS AS PART OF THE BODY OF THE MESSAGE I need to send an e-mail from a form to a mail server subscribing or unsubscribing a new member to an e-mail forum. I have been given instructions as to what needs to be done. I now need to know how it is done. the mail must be sent to mdaemon at thewebsite.org the subject does not matter the body of the messages must be formatted to include one of these: subscribe thelist at thewebsite.org newuser at some.com or unsubscribe thelist at thewebsite.org newuser at some.com That is it. In the code I would have to replace the newuser at some.com with the e-mail address of the person from the web site. How is this done? Now someone has told me that this is not possible in JavaScript. He said I would need to use a server side language to send the email - such as php, asp, asp.net. Is this true? James --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/03 From abdullah at uxdg.com Wed Feb 26 11:15:01 2003 From: abdullah at uxdg.com (Abdullah Shaikh) Date: Wed Feb 26 11:15:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Windows streaming media on a Mac? References: <005901c2ddaf$f1a8c4e0$0101c80a@hershel> Message-ID: <007901c2ddba$9cfc6f40$1e62010a@mercury> sounds fine on winXP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hershel Robinson" <hershelr at netvision.net.il> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:56 AM Subject: [thelist] Windows streaming media on a Mac? > Can someone with a Mac (and maybe someone withOUT a Mac too) check out this > page: > > http://www.thereisone.com/books&music.htm > > and let me know if the sounds files are useable. > From gozz at gozz.com Wed Feb 26 11:28:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Wed Feb 26 11:28:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Code to send a hidden message that includes a subscribers e-mail address In-Reply-To: <NHBBLHLPMLGMJGHNNKNJAEIICBAA.james@ripplewebs.com> Message-ID: <CDF78DC3-49AF-11D7-B512-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 11:09 AM, James Odell wrote: > I need to send an e-mail from a form to a mail server subscribing or > unsubscribing a new member to an e-mail forum. > > Now someone has told me that this is not possible in JavaScript. He > said I > would need to use a server side language to send the email - such as > php, > asp, asp.net. Is this true? Yes, JS cannot send mail on it's own. Maybe ... <a href="mailto:user at domain.com?body=subscribe%20list at domain.com%20[replace %20this%20text%20with%20your%20email]">subscribe</a> ... would pass the mustard. Or whatever that phrase is meaning "suffice". ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From howcheng at ix.netcom.com Wed Feb 26 11:33:01 2003 From: howcheng at ix.netcom.com (Howard Cheng) Date: Wed Feb 26 11:33:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [PHP] oddity: popping array from function In-Reply-To: <E0C2CF65-49A3-11D7-B512-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030226092938.02f233b8@popd.ix.netcom.com> At 10:03 AM 2/26/2003 -0600, Erik Mattheis wrote: >$results = array(); > >while ($results []= mysql_fetch_assoc($result)); If I read this correctly, wouldn't each array member of the $results array be an array itself? >$structure = array(); > >// this is the function, shortened to illustrate >function returnItem($begin,$end,$event_type) { > $a = array('unix_time' => $begin, > 'event_type' => $event_type); > return $a; >} > >for ($i = 0; $i < count($results) - 1; $i++) { > $a = >returnItem($results[$i],$results[$i+1],$results[$i]['event_type']); > $structure []= $a; Thus, when you pass the values to the function, $results[$i] and $results[$i+1] are arrays. It looks like you should be doing: returnItem($results[$i]['unix_time'], [value missing here], $results[$i]['event_type']); :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Howard Cheng http://www.howcheng.com/ howcheng at ix dot netcom dot com AIM: bennyphoebe ICQ: 47319315 From hassan at webtuitive.com Wed Feb 26 11:37:01 2003 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Wed Feb 26 11:37:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts In-Reply-To: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B3F@fsjubj05> References: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B3F@fsjubj05> Message-ID: <3E5CFB63.4080105@webtuitive.com> David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil wrote: >>I have an idea. If I have a Session() variable that I can >>set to 1 if the user wishes to quit, then I can test for that >>in my do ... loop. > > You can't. / Once the client hands off processing to the server, the only > thing it can do is wait for a response. It can't interact with a running > process on the server. > > Doing anything else would require a stateful connection ... Well, maybe :-) I know nothing about ASP, but if I were trying to do this in a servlet/JSP environment, I'd consider: 1) frames -- launch this long-running process from a framed page where there's a separate "control panel" to hold the giant red STOP button :-) 2) server push -- haven't seen this used in a long time, but that would allow you to deliver a preliminary ("please wait...") page that could also contain a STOP button. Unless terminated by the button push, the process would then overwrite the wait page with the query results. In either case, pressing the STOP button requests a process to set the variable your `do..` loop is testing for and return the "what now?" page. Also, neither of these approaches depends on JavaScript. FWIW! -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From gozz at gozz.com Wed Feb 26 11:43:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Wed Feb 26 11:43:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [PHP] oddity: popping array from function In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030226092938.02f233b8@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <DED8BC14-49B1-11D7-B512-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 11:33 AM, Howard Cheng wrote: > At 10:03 AM 2/26/2003 -0600, Erik Mattheis wrote: >> $results = array(); >> while ($results []= mysql_fetch_assoc($result)); > > If I read this correctly, wouldn't each array member of the $results > array > be an array itself? Correct. >> returnItem($results[$i],$results[$i+1],$results[$i]['event_type']); >> $structure []= $a; > returnItem($results[$i]['unix_time'], [value missing here], > $results[$i]['event_type']); Duh. Thanks for noticing my silly mistake. ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From ssweeney at w3internet.com Wed Feb 26 11:51:01 2003 From: ssweeney at w3internet.com (Sarah Sweeney) Date: Wed Feb 26 11:51:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] CSS background-position property not working Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030226133306.00a72898@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> I have been trying to get my portfolio site to look right, and for some reason the CSS "background-position" property doesn't seem to be working properly. The site is <http://sarah.designshift.com/> - I am trying to have left side be orange, which is the background colour, and have the rest of the page have the blue stripes image as the background. Here is my body definition: body { font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 90%; background-color: #ff9900; background-image: url("images/stripes.gif"); background-position: 12.5em 0em; color: white; } If anyone has an idea of how I can get this to work, your help would be much appreciated. TIA Sarah From jerryscannell at cox.net Wed Feb 26 12:05:01 2003 From: jerryscannell at cox.net (jerryscannell at cox.net) Date: Wed Feb 26 12:05:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts Message-ID: <20030226180554.ODPB14046.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Hassan, My comments are found below IN CAPS. Jerry > > From: Hassan Schroeder <hassan at webtuitive.com> > Date: 2003/02/26 Wed PM 12:37:39 EST > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts > > Well, maybe :-) > > I know nothing about ASP, but if I were trying to do this in a servlet/JSP environment, I'd consider: > 1) frames -- launch this long-running process from a framed page where there's a separate "control panel" to hold the giant red STOP button :-) I AM ALREADY USING FRAMES. ONE SKINNY ONE ON THE LEFT (I WILL CALL IT "LEFT" HERE) THAT CONTAINS MY MENU SELECTIONS AND THE REST OF THE SCREEN (I WILL CALL IT "MAIN" HERE) TO CONTAIN THE CURRENT PROCESS. I HAVE TO RUN THE REPORTING PROCESS FROM THE "MAIN" FRAME AS THAT'S WHERE THE USER ENTERS HIS/HER STUFF AND CLICKS "SUBMIT". I TRIED A "CANCEL" BUTTON IN THERE BEFORE. I WAS ABLE TO ACTIVATE THE BUTTON'S EVENT CODE IF IT WAS A JAVASCRIPT FUNCTION BUT COULD NOT LINK TO ANOTHER .ASP FILE TO EXECUTE ANOTHER PROCESS WHILE THE DATABASE ACTIVITY WAS GOING ON. ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IF I PUT THE BUTTON ON THE "LEFT" FRAME THAT I COULD RUN A PROCESS THAT WOULD SET MY GLOBAL VARIABLE? IF SO - PLEASE SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TO. 2) server push -- haven't seen this used in a long time, but that would allow you to deliver a preliminary ("please wait...") page that could also contain a STOP button. Unless terminated by the button push, the process would then overwrite the wait page with the query results. WHAT IS "SERVER PUSH"? I NEVER HEARD OF THAT TERM BEFORE. DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF IT FOR ME TO LOOK AT? In either case, pressing the STOP button requests a process to set the variable your `do..` loop is testing for and return the "what now?" page. THIS ABOVE PARAGRAPH SUMS UP JUST WHAT I NEED TO DO. THE REASON FOR THE NECESSITY IS IN CASE THE USER ACCIDENTLY CHOOSES A REPORT CRITERIA THAT WILL TAKE HOURS AND THEY NEED A WAY OUT OF THE MESS. Also, neither of these approaches depends on JavaScript. > Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com > Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com > > dream. code. > > > > -- > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 26 12:37:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Feb 26 12:37:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Referral Programs In-Reply-To: <LCEMLPCMGHFOELKBGAKHGEHPCIAA.belinda@prodsol.net> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEHEGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> belinda, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Belinda Johnson > > Um, no, I am professional enough to not take on clients > that have needs beyond my capabilities, but I am also > lucky enough and respected enough by my clients to be > able to grow with them, which is where we are now and > why I am a member of this list and seek out assistance > to learn the things I need to learn. I simply asked for > suggestions from persons whose opinions I respect as > well. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< sorry, i was very brief in my initial response, it was late, and i was tired. what i meant was, if you're not sure how things like this need to be put together, but can tell it's time to grow, then maybe some consulting time with someone with experience in that area would go a long way in helping avoid catastrophic pitfalls that could cost you and/or your client their business. i wasn't trying to imply that you wouldn't do the right thing for your client or were incapable. i just got a feeling from your initial post like you weren't sure what the next move was. imo, some paid time with a professional with experience in this area could be one avenue. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Wed Feb 26 12:40:01 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Wed Feb 26 12:40:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B43@fsjubj05> > WHAT IS "SERVER PUSH"? I NEVER HEARD OF THAT TERM BEFORE. DO > YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF IT FOR ME TO LOOK AT? Server push is a technique where the server never closes the connection, and continues to push data to the user. This was used in the early days of the web (1994-ish) to create animated images. By pointing the image tag at a CGI script, and the CGI script loading (or generating) a series of images in succession, and not closing the connection immediately, the CGI script could push the images one frame at a time to the browser. Needless to say, it was really, really slow for the most part. ;) It was used for other things as well, but this was probably it's most famous use. > In either case, pressing the STOP button requests a process > to set the variable your `do..` loop is testing for and > return the "what now?" page. > > THIS ABOVE PARAGRAPH SUMS UP JUST WHAT I NEED TO DO. THE > REASON FOR THE NECESSITY IS IN CASE THE USER ACCIDENTLY > CHOOSES A REPORT CRITERIA THAT WILL TAKE HOURS AND THEY NEED > A WAY OUT OF THE MESS. Hmm. Here's my point: the minute you hit that button/link, the browser is going to (a) CLOSE THE EXISTING CONNECTION with the server, and then (b) CREATE A NEW CONNECTION. Now, the ASP process has no way of knowing if the browser has closed the connection, so that hours-long process will keep trucking along until... Well, until the script timeout set in IIS or in the script itself. Default is usually 90 seconds, but if you set this to hours, then it may well keep running for hours. It sounds to me like you are trying to apply desktop-style development ideas to web development, and it doesn't work that way. The client and server are NOT in a stateful connection, and script that executes on the browser is TOTALLY SEPARATE from script that executes on the server. Client script executes pretty much after the connection has been closed, because the HTML and scripts have been delivered by the connection. Once loaded by the browser the scripts execute. The scripts can contain ASP-generated variable info because the ASP process on the server processed the ASP script, replaced the ASP variable references with actual data, then sent the output (the final HTML+Javascript file) to IIS which forwarded it to your browser. They don't remain in any form of communication whatsoever. Now having said all that, I may be wrong here, and am perfectly willing to admit I'm wrong. But until I'm *proven* wrong, I'll stand by my earlier statement: you can't do that. At least, not in ASP. :( Sorry, -dave From r937 at interlog.com Wed Feb 26 13:03:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Wed Feb 26 13:03:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] IIS directory question References: <20030225143347.82965.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018401c2ddc9$c3380a70$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > Well I'd like to STYLE that page no answer, one full day i guess it's safe for me to run my idea up your flagpole (stop that giggling in the back row there) write your own page mark it up using UL and LI, and even inline icon images if you wish link in your site's stylesheet include branding, logo, chrome use file services to obtain a directory list, loop through the results, and print each one using your choice of markup the idea is that this page works in any folder save the page under the name of the default file that the web server uses for folder requests -- default.asp or whatever copy it into all folders now here's a neat trick: add logic to "skip over" certain file names e.g. ones that start with $ now you can place files with those names into a folder and the "directory list" page that you wrote won't show them this technique allows you to "hide" a file on your site you know its name, and can browse right to it but people who look at the directory list don't know it's there rudy From hassan at webtuitive.com Wed Feb 26 13:10:01 2003 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Wed Feb 26 13:10:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts In-Reply-To: <20030226180554.ODPB14046.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> References: <20030226180554.ODPB14046.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <3E5D1143.8000704@webtuitive.com> jerryscannell at cox.net wrote: > 1) frames -- > > ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IF I PUT THE BUTTON ON THE "LEFT" FRAME > THAT I COULD RUN A PROCESS THAT WOULD SET MY GLOBAL VARIABLE? Sure. The two frames contain independent documents; the fact that the 'main' frame is waiting for the response from the server with the query results doesn't preclude your making a request from the 'left' frame. Skip the JavaScript, just make the button a link to the variable-setting process. In JSP, it'd be something as simple as a page with <% session.setAttribute("IMPATIENCE_FLAG", true); response.sendRedirect(request.getHeader("REFERER")); %> I imagine there's something comparable in ASP. :-) > 2) server push -- > > WHAT IS "SERVER PUSH"? Using `Content-type: multipart/mixed` to keep the connection open; see <http://wp.netscape.com/assist/net_sites/pushpull.html> HTH! -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From hblair at hotfootmail.com Wed Feb 26 13:11:01 2003 From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair) Date: Wed Feb 26 13:11:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Can I capture part of a link? In-Reply-To: <004501c2dda4$67d6ca60$6601a8c0@transportgx> Message-ID: <006c01c2ddca$da3b3200$6601a8c0@transportgx> I love it here. I'd like to thank Jonathan, Joshua, Martyn, Erik, Chris and Jason for the help and pointers to the right directon. Again you folks come through, 7 responses within 22 minutes. -- Hugh From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Wed Feb 26 13:25:01 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Wed Feb 26 13:25:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B44@fsjubj05> > Sure. The two frames contain independent documents; the fact > that the 'main' frame is waiting for the response from the > server with the query results doesn't preclude your making a > request from the 'left' frame. Skip the JavaScript, just make > the button a link to the variable-setting process. In JSP, > it'd be something as simple as a page with <% > session.setAttribute("IMPATIENCE_FLAG", true); > response.sendRedirect(request.getHeader("REFERER")); > %> DOH!! This might actually work! <slaps-forhead/> I haven't used frames in *years* (five or six now) so I completely missed this approach. If you have the long-running process periodically check that session variable... Hmm... [start] Session ( "cancel" ) = false [user fires report] Session ( "cancel" ) = false 'still [user changes mind, hits cancel button in control frame] Session ( "cancel" ) = true [report generator checks session] While generatingReport Every 60 Seconds: If Session ( "cancel" ) then TERMINATE REPORT End If Wend Dang, that's a good idea -- I'll have to stash that one away for future use! :) And I'm still technically right -- this just hacks around it using two document instances in a single browser, so there! ;) -dave From howcheng at ix.netcom.com Wed Feb 26 13:31:01 2003 From: howcheng at ix.netcom.com (Howard Cheng) Date: Wed Feb 26 13:31:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Using C# Classes in VB.NET Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030226112704.00aad010@popd.ix.netcom.com> I followed the example on (watch for wrapping) http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/01/02/index3a_page6.html?tw=programming to use some C# classes I wrote in a VB.NET web application. If I do it the way Webmonkey has it (which has the code inline), it works fine, but I can't seem to get VS.NET to recognize the new DLL I've created. In other words, my class looks roughly like: namespace Zentropy { public class MyClass { } } It works when the page uses <%@ Import Namespace="Zentropy" %> but when I have a code-behind page with "Imports Zentropy" or "Dim c As New Zentropy.MyClass()" VS.NET protests, saying the namespace or type cannot be found. Any ideas? TIA. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Howard Cheng http://www.howcheng.com/ howcheng at ix dot netcom dot com AIM: bennyphoebe ICQ: 47319315 From evolt at unhappyfun.com Wed Feb 26 13:40:01 2003 From: evolt at unhappyfun.com (Chris Evans) Date: Wed Feb 26 13:40:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Email regex Message-ID: <3e5d1b3f$1@fuseware.com> I use the following regex to validate email: ^([[:alnum:]][-a-zA-Z0-9_%\.]*)?[[:alnum:]]@[[:alnum:]][-a-zA-Z0-9%\.]*\.[[:alpha:]]{2,}$ When doing some code review, I was asked whether this is the "industry standrd" email validation. Does anybody have a better one, or sugestions on how to improve it? I don't want to go overboard and use the 6598 character regex in the back of the O'Reilly "mastering Reg Ex" book, but want to make sure I'm validating in a good way. Thanks, Chris Evans http://www.bluejackcode.com From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Wed Feb 26 13:45:01 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Wed Feb 26 13:45:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] info on templates, XML and TLAs Message-ID: <20030226194419.GA9692@debian> I'm interested in figuring out how to make XML modules of information that have no site navigation (but perhaps navigation to link to a Page Two of the module). What I'd like to read up on is how to use *** (insert Three Letter Acronym) to transform a "module" of information into a page of a web site. i.e. add the site navigation back in. To explain a little further: (I have lots of different uses for this, but I'll use my blog because that's the easiest for me to explain) I have an entry of information. Right now I make individual files for each entry. As much as I've tried to separate style from content, there are still some things that get included -- like navigation. I want to figure out how to make an xml file with just the blog entry...and NOTHING else. Then I want so somehow parse/filter/whatever that blog entry through a *** and output a finished XHTML page. In theory the XML blog entry might be an XHTML page (which is xml) but it would then have extra stuff stitched into it. e.g. different navigation templates (including both different styles AND different human languages). I've looked at Perl and PHP templates but I'd like to see how to do a "proper" xml template with *** (is it XSLT?). Lots o' Questions: What's the *** that I'm supposed to be looking for? How do you make a "template" that includes other information (e.g. navigation)? Is this just XSL Transformations? Can you recommend any good articles on making templates? I understand the concepts of XML documents from my work with XHTML (I teach it and know how to read the DTD and know how to modify a DTD), I've not done transformations though. thanks :) emma PS Please don't suggest that I get a better blogging tool. This is just an example of what I'm trying to do. The final implementation will have little if anything to do with blogging. <tip author="emmajane"> i18n spells "internationalization." It means "i" 18-letters-until-the-letter "n." </tip> -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From belinda at prodsol.net Wed Feb 26 13:49:01 2003 From: belinda at prodsol.net (Belinda Johnson) Date: Wed Feb 26 13:49:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Referral Programs In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEHEGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <LCEMLPCMGHFOELKBGAKHGEJDCIAA.belinda@prodsol.net> Jeff - thanks. However, I'm sure you would agree that part of providing professional services to your clients is to not make a snap decision when it affects their business. I am not afraid of or intimidated by outsourcing when necessary, just as I don't seek out "free" or "cheap" solutions to cut costs. But even if I were seeking out "paid time with a professional" I would most likely seek it out here, with a group of trusted professional peers first. It's called using the resources available to you to seek out the right answer. I want to be able to provide the best advice that I possibly can to the clients who host on my servers - and if it is a solution that can be provided in-house with our own expertise (and yes, I do have more than a little, and the ability, responsibility and desire to gain the knowledge I don't have - and not at the expense of my clients), then that is certainly what I should be doing. I currently have about 50 clients hosting on 3 servers, and if I can research multiple options for affiliate programs and then be able to offer it to those clients, some of which may suffice quite well with a very simplified script-type solution developed in-house (this would be in the cases of not transmitting sensitive or private information for example, merely "bean-counting"), others which may benefit from a more fully encompassing third party solution. I can't make those decisions without researching the available options first. No mater how ticked off your initial reply made me at 4 a.m. this morning - after I salvaged a little bit of pride and tried to compose what I hope was a professional response to you, I then investigated your signature line in depth. Which brought me to Brainbench - which sent me to bed $249 poorer as I purchased a one year subscription to what appears to be a very valuable service. It coincides with my already in-process track to MCSA certification. I didn't just wake up one morning and think hey, I think I'll design websites or host domains LOL. I've been doing it for over 5 years, 2 years as a hosting service, although admittedly Ecommerce is not one of my strengths (which is why my larger clients shopping carts ARE still a third party solution). I appreciate the knokwledge shared on this list immensely. Belinda ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< sorry, i was very brief in my initial response, it was late, and i was tired. what i meant was, if you're not sure how things like this need to be put together, but can tell it's time to grow, then maybe some consulting time with someone with experience in that area would go a long way in helping avoid catastrophic pitfalls that could cost you and/or your client their business. i wasn't trying to imply that you wouldn't do the right thing for your client or were incapable. i just got a feeling from your initial post like you weren't sure what the next move was. imo, some paid time with a professional with experience in this area could be one avenue. .jeff From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Wed Feb 26 13:58:01 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Wed Feb 26 13:58:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] info on templates, XML and TLAs Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B47@fsjubj05> > styles AND different human languages). I've looked at Perl > and PHP templates but I'd like to see how to do a "proper" > xml template with *** (is it XSLT?). YES! :) > How do you make a "template" that includes other information > (e.g. navigation)? Is this just XSL Transformations? Can you > recommend any good articles on making templates? I understand > the concepts of XML documents from my work with XHTML (I > teach it and know how to read the DTD and know how to modify > a DTD), I've not done transformations though. Given the following blog entry XML: <?xml version="1.0"?> <entry> <pubDate>2003-02-26T13:50:00CST</pubDate> <title>This is my blog entry</title> <body> This is the main body of the entry. I can put anything here. Phear my l33t skillz! </body> </entry> You can pipe the above through an XSLT stylesheet that might look like this: <?xml version="1.0"?> <xsl:stylesheet xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"> <xsl:output method="html"> <xsl:template match="/"> <xsl:apply-templates select="/entry"> </xsl:template> <xsl:template match="entry"> <p class='entry'> <h2> <xsl:value-of select="title"/> </h2> <p class='pubDate'> <xsl:value-of select="pubDate"/> </p> <p class='body'> <xsl:value-of select="body"/> </p> </p> </xsl:template> </xsl:stylesheet> And the output given the above two documents would be this: <p class='entry'> <h2> This is my blog entry. </h2> <p class='pubDate'> 2003-02-26T13:50:00CST </p> <p class='body'> This is the main body of the entry. I can put anything here. Phear my l33t skillz! </p> </p> There's tons of info on this available. Check these sites out: http://www.w3schools.com/xsl/default.asp http://www.zvon.org/xxl/XSLTutorial/Books/Book1/ http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/98/43/index2a.html?tw=authoring Then there's the DMOZ category: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Data_Formats/Markup_Languages/XML/Style_Sheets/XSL /FAQs,_Help,_and_Tutorials/ HTH, -dave From shawn at alterior.net Wed Feb 26 14:11:00 2003 From: shawn at alterior.net (shawn allen) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:11:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] info on templates, XML and TLAs In-Reply-To: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B47@fsjubj05> References: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B47@fsjubj05> Message-ID: <20030226201245.GN18194@pion.local> quoth David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil: > <xsl:template match="entry"> > <p class='entry'> > <h2> > <xsl:value-of select="title"/> > </h2> > <p class='pubDate'> > <xsl:value-of select="pubDate"/> > </p> > <p class='body'> > <xsl:value-of select="body"/> > </p> > </p> > </xsl:template> > </xsl:stylesheet> FYI, you'd probably want that entry-encapsulating element to be a <div>, not a <p>. ;) -- shawn allen mailto://shawn at alterior.net phone://415.577.3961 http://alterior.net aim://shawnpallen From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Wed Feb 26 14:22:01 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:22:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] info on templates, XML and TLAs Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B49@fsjubj05> > FYI, you'd probably want that entry-encapsulating element to > be a <div>, not a <p>. ;) Hmm, yeah, I think you're right. I think <p> cannot contain other <p> elements, or maybe that's only in the forthcoming XHTML 2.0 spec, can't remember... -dave From daxi2000 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 26 14:29:01 2003 From: daxi2000 at earthlink.net (Dee, Dax Development.com) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:29:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Design input In-Reply-To: <3E5CE4B3.1070801@devnetwork.net> Message-ID: <006c01c2ddd6$f4a48e00$0100a8c0@D1> Hi everyone! I'm currently working on a few mockups for an existing client. This client is still sort of stuck on being inside boxes...and considering her goals and direction she is heading, I'm working on helping her convey her goals and direction through her design. She is absolutely in love with one of the initial mockups I did...while my gut instinct is telling me that it's the wrong direction to take and the other mockup is a better solution. So, she has handed the entire site over to me as she knows that she is "stuck in a rut" as far as what she likes and wants. Basically, what I want is some no-holds-barred feedback (ok, I would appreciate it being gentle-no-holds-barred) on the two potential mockups. Both are rough drafts....there is a lot of image & design cleanup, etc that needs done - however, I really need the input from others before that point because I don't want to waste time cleaning up something that isn't going to work in the end. And, one has text that ISNT final copy for the coming site (it's actually part of what she has on her live site) - I know there's problems with the text. #1: http://www.daxdevelopment.com/images/suzmockup.jpg #2: http://www.daxdevelopment.com/susie_test/ This client's target audience is women (obviously) who are in need of help keeping track of/organizing their time and lives. She carries products that are mid-range for the market but extremely high quality. Thanks so much for taking a look. In harmony, Dee "If you can *dream* it, we can *do* it! www.daxdevelopment.com From pixelmech at yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 14:31:01 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:31:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] winXP registry Message-ID: <20030226203131.8197.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I've been looking at some tips for winXP and they are the type where you adjust registry settings. They generally say go to the Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 and adjust a .reg setting. My first question is - where is it? I know I've seen it before but cant' find it. Second, how safe is it? Some of the stuff looks good (like expanding the DNS cache) but I don't want to wreck myself. TIA Tom ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From poohbear at designshift.com Wed Feb 26 14:32:27 2003 From: poohbear at designshift.com (Sarah) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:32:27 2003 Subject: [thelist] CSS background-position property not working In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030226133306.00a72898@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030226163236.00a72af0@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> At 2/26/2003 01:38 PM, you wrote: >I have been trying to get my portfolio site to look right, and for some >reason the CSS "background-position" property doesn't seem to be working >properly. The site is <http://sarah.designshift.com/> - I am trying to have >left side be orange, which is the background colour, and have the rest of >the page have the blue stripes image as the background. Here is my body >definition: >body >{ font-family: sans-serif; > font-size: 90%; > background-color: #ff9900; > background-image: url("images/stripes.gif"); > background-position: 12.5em 0em; > color: white; >} Well, it looks like I've fixed this problem. I guess that because the image (which was about 18x12 pixels) had to be tiled both horizontally and vertically to fill the background, it wouldn't position the way I wanted it to. So I edited the image so that it is wide enough to only have to be repeated vertically, and then set "background-repeat: repeat-y;". (BTW, I made the image 1600 pixels wide - does anyone think this might not be wide enough?) Sarah From toby at rsux.com Wed Feb 26 14:35:01 2003 From: toby at rsux.com (Tobyn Baugher) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:35:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Email regex In-Reply-To: <3e5d1b3f$1@fuseware.com> References: <3e5d1b3f$1@fuseware.com> Message-ID: <143993491.1046273765@[192.168.0.4]> On Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:40 PM -0500 Chris Evans <evolt at unhappyfun.com> wrote: > I use the following regex to validate email: > > ^([[:alnum:]][-a-zA-Z0-9_%\.]*)?[[:alnum:]]@[[:alnum:]][-a-zA-Z0-9%\. > ]*\.[[:alpha:]]{2,}$ Take heart! I, and most of the people I know, just use something like /.*@.*\..*/. Thorough it ain't, but I can't think of a really good reason to go any further than that. E-mail addresses have a lot of valid formats that never get used, which is mainly why the O'reilly regex is so long. If I'm not going to go all out and match the RFC to the letter, I'd rather let a couple invalid ones slip by than have some one-in-a-million person sitting there getting pissed off at my app because it won't let their valid one through. Just my thoughts, and they seem to work well in the situations I find myself in. Others probably have different needs and adjust their thinking, and their regexs, accordingly. Regards, Toby -- Tobyn Baugher <toby at rsux.com> http://www.rsux.com aim: dieplzkthxbye icq: 14281524 efnet: toby From ryan at dres.org Wed Feb 26 14:37:02 2003 From: ryan at dres.org (Ryan Christensen) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:37:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] winXP registry In-Reply-To: <20030226203131.8197.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <NGBBJLNBALELKOEPBDKPKEJDHEAA.ryan@dres.org> -- snip -- > and adjust a .reg setting. My first question is - where is it? I know > I've seen it before but cant' find it. Start menu -> Run... -> "regedit" (Help -> About.. will confirm the version..) > Second, how safe is it? Some of the stuff looks good (like expanding > the DNS cache) but I don't want to wreck myself. Editing ones registry shouldn't be done by the faint of heart.. however, if you feel brave............ -Ryan From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Wed Feb 26 14:41:01 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:41:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] info on templates, XML and TLAs In-Reply-To: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B47@fsjubj05> References: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B47@fsjubj05> Message-ID: <20030226204049.GB10217@debian> On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 01:59:00PM -0600, David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil wrote: > > styles AND different human languages). I've looked at Perl > > and PHP templates but I'd like to see how to do a "proper" > > xml template with *** (is it XSLT?). > > YES! :) Cool. :) And XSL Transformations are sexier than PHP and Perl templates, right? (That's mostly a /rhetorical/ question.) I personally think it's silly to use PHP and Perl templates when there's a perfectly good XML template language out there. I also think it'll be easier to make the templates for my site if people aren't having to learn how to use "proprietary" (for lack of a better term) short cuts like those found in moveable type. (Which was my first idea...) It's a theory anyway. > You can pipe the above through an XSLT stylesheet that might look like this: Perfect! Now I just need to figure out how to do the piping bit. :) > Phear my l33t skillz! Bwahahahaha! thanks again :) emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From jerryscannell at cox.net Wed Feb 26 14:48:01 2003 From: jerryscannell at cox.net (jerryscannell at cox.net) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:48:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts Message-ID: <20030226204857.PERN14046.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> David and Hassan, Here's what I tried: I added a link on my "left" frame which runs an .asp file whose sole lot in life is to do whatever works to stop the reporting! I wasn't sure what to do at the end of it. I tried doing a response.redirect back to the home page?? That worked but the process was still running. I did nothing and all I got was a white window. I have tried (and failed) with the following: 1. Set a session variable to "cancel". The reporting module checks for it at the end of the do ... loop. The reporing loop never saw the change in the session variable's value. 2. I then decided to create a little text file if you click on the "cancel". The do ... loop merely checks for the existence of the file and then quits. That didn't seem to work, either. 3. Not convinced that doing the response.redirect out of the cancel process wasn't the problem, I decided to make the cancel process open up in its own window (target=top). The window opened but nothing seemed to be happening. Meanwhile my reporting module is churning away (I added a debug statement that displayed "run" or "Cancel" depending on the discovery of the file) The cancel window finally executed but not until after the report was complete! Is there a way to make this process run right away?? I truly think that either setting a session variable or creating a small file should work, But it seems I am treading on some new turf here... Jerry > > From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil > Date: 2003/02/26 Wed PM 02:25:58 EST > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts > > > Sure. The two frames contain independent documents; the fact > > that the 'main' frame is waiting for the response from the > > server with the query results doesn't preclude your making a > > request from the 'left' frame. Skip the JavaScript, just make > > the button a link to the variable-setting process. In JSP, > > it'd be something as simple as a page with <% > > session.setAttribute("IMPATIENCE_FLAG", true); > > response.sendRedirect(request.getHeader("REFERER")); > > %> > > DOH!! This might actually work! <slaps-forhead/> > > I haven't used frames in *years* (five or six now) so I completely missed > this approach. > > If you have the long-running process periodically check that session > variable... Hmm... > > [start] > Session ( "cancel" ) = false > > [user fires report] > Session ( "cancel" ) = false 'still > > [user changes mind, hits cancel button in control frame] > Session ( "cancel" ) = true > > [report generator checks session] > While generatingReport > Every 60 Seconds: > If Session ( "cancel" ) then > TERMINATE REPORT > End If > Wend > > > Dang, that's a good idea -- I'll have to stash that one away for future use! > :) > > And I'm still technically right -- this just hacks around it using two > document instances in a single browser, so there! ;) > > -dave > -- > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From pixelmech at yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 14:48:53 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:48:53 2003 Subject: [thelist] winXP registry In-Reply-To: <NGBBJLNBALELKOEPBDKPKEJDHEAA.ryan@dres.org> Message-ID: <20030226204903.23095.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ryan Christensen <ryan at dres.org> wrote: > Editing ones registry shouldn't be done by the faint of heart.. > however, if you feel brave............ Ok, I feel brave but still confused. I found regedit but this is what the instructions say to do: "..user defined grouping. It's currently set at 3, if you want to change this number open the .reg file in notepad and edit the line: Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced] "TaskbarGroupSize"=dword:00000003" I can't seem to find that key in regedit (even though I imported it) but it seems anyway you open and change it in NotePad..but I can't find that file! How do I find that file to open it in notepad? Search for TaskbarGroupSize.reg? ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From so.there at showtunepink.com Wed Feb 26 14:50:01 2003 From: so.there at showtunepink.com (j.d. welch) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:50:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] CSS background-position property not working In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030226163236.00a72af0@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> Message-ID: <E668B550-49CB-11D7-B7D6-000393D62E96@showtunepink.com> On Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003, at 15:36 America/New_York, Sarah wrote: > Well, it looks like I've fixed this problem. I guess that because the > image > (which was about 18x12 pixels) had to be tiled both horizontally and > vertically to fill the background, it wouldn't position the way I > wanted it > to. So I edited the image so that it is wide enough to only have to be > repeated vertically, and then set "background-repeat: repeat-y;". > (BTW, I > made the image 1600 pixels wide - does anyone think this might not be > wide > enough?) alternately, you could do mostly what you were before, instead applying the background image to a div nested within the body (directly after the tag)-- something like: body { font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 90%; background-color: #ff9900; color: white; } #bg { width:100%; margin-left:100px; background-image: url("images/stripes.gif"); } so you'll get your orange band and the rest of the page (at any width) will be filled with the background image. just a thought. ------------------------------------------------------------------ J.D. Welch | so.there at showtunepink.com graphic designer | http://www.showtunepink.com web developer | http://kitschparade.ath.cx i'm available | http://www.showtunepink.com/resume.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ From martin at takingitglobal.org Wed Feb 26 14:55:01 2003 From: martin at takingitglobal.org (Martin Kuplens-Ewart) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:55:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Mail threading for web-based mail groups && Rehi! Message-ID: <001a01c2ddd9$7e603070$cc01a8c0@martinlaptop> Jeebus - I've been away for only, er, since august last year, but it feels like an eternity! Anyway, I was hoping that someone might be able to help out with this problem... I'm building an email groups app for the organisation I work with [http://groups.takingitglobal.org], but am having a minor nightmare at the moment - I built some threading code that relies on the In-Reply-To header, but Exchange server seems to strip it out and replace it with an internal thread ID that seems to be reset if the subject line is altered. All I need to do, basically, is be able to discover whether a message has a parent message already stored in the database - does anyone know of a reliable way to do that? Perhaps some war stories from the evolt coders...? Cheers as ever, -m ----------------------- Martin Kuplens-Ewart TakingITGlobal Int'l Coordination Team From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Wed Feb 26 14:58:01 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:58:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] info on templates, XML and TLAs Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B4B@fsjubj05> > And XSL Transformations are sexier than PHP and Perl > templates, right? (That's mostly a /rhetorical/ question.) I > personally think it's silly to use PHP and Perl templates > when there's a perfectly good XML template language out > there. I also think it'll be easier to make the templates for > my site if people aren't having to learn how to use > "proprietary" (for lack of a better term) short cuts like > those found in moveable type. (Which was my first idea...) > It's a theory anyway. Well, it depends. I'm not familiar with PHP or Perl templates at all, but to me the whole point of XML+XSLT is that you can separate the logic from the presentation. XSLT transforms the XML into HTML for the presentation, and server-side logic can generate the XML in-memory or load it from a file, manipulate it, etc until ready to be transformed. I do it like this in ASP: <% Option Explicit Dim Xml : Set Xml = Server.CreateObject ( "Msxml2.DomDocument.4.0" ) Xml.load Server.MapPath ( "foo.xml" ) Dim Xsl : Set Xsl = Server.CreateObject ( "Msxml2.DomDocument.4.0" ) Xsl.load Server.MapPath ( "style.xslt" ) Response.Write Xml.TransformXml ( Xsl ) %> Actually, I use a helper VBScript class that does most of the grunt work for me: <% Option Explicit %>  <% Dim XmlUtils : Set XmlUtils = New XmlUtilsObject Response.Write XmlUtils.TransformXml ( "foo.xml", "style.xslt" ) %> And I also take recordsets and convert them in-memory to basic XML structures and run those through XSLT to generate the HTML. What does this mean? No more ASP/VBScript code mixed in with markup -- markup stays with markup, code stays with code, a place for everything and everything in it's place. It works remarkably well, for what I do at least. -dave From kimberly.carroll at art.com Wed Feb 26 14:58:11 2003 From: kimberly.carroll at art.com (Kimberly Carroll) Date: Wed Feb 26 14:58:11 2003 Subject: [thelist] Design input In-Reply-To: <006c01c2ddd6$f4a48e00$0100a8c0@D1> Message-ID: <013901c2ddda$27608080$1004a8c0@wtp.art> -----Original Message----- I really need the input from others ----------------------------- Dee, On first pass I think option #2 looks more polished and less like a personal hobby site. I'm not sure I make the connection between the lily and planning & organizing for busy women. Reminds me of hygiene products and vitamins - not planners. I searched for your client's current site and found it among some very ugly competitor sites. Looks like you have an excellent opportunity to leapfrog the competition. When I think planners, I think of www.franklincovey.com www.palm.com www.daytimer.com www.tantrastyle.com When I think of time saving strategies, I think of David Allen: http://www.davidco.com/products.php Seems to me that your client and David Allen have a lot in common. His site is engaging, helpful, polished, professional and trustworthy. Having purchased my PDA, calendar, time mgmt books and many related biz products online, and being your client's demographic, I can tell you that I would not be likely to purchase from either your client's current site or either of these two approaches. My main considerations would be brand, trustworthiness, small-operation feel. HTH, Kimberly From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Wed Feb 26 15:06:01 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Wed Feb 26 15:06:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] CSS background-position property not working In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030226163236.00a72af0@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030226133306.00a72898@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030226163236.00a72af0@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> Message-ID: <20030226210607.GC10217@debian> On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 04:36:17PM -0400, Sarah wrote: > At 2/26/2003 01:38 PM, you wrote: > >I have been trying to get my portfolio site to look right, and for some > >reason the CSS "background-position" property doesn't seem to be working > >properly. The site is <http://sarah.designshift.com/> - I am trying to have > >left side be orange, which is the background colour, and have the rest of > >the page have the blue stripes image as the background. Here is my body > >definition: > >body > >{ font-family: sans-serif; > > font-size: 90%; > > background-color: #ff9900; > > background-image: url("images/stripes.gif"); > > background-position: 12.5em 0em; > > color: white; > >} I missed this the first time around...How was the background image not positioning correctly? Was it simply not leaving a space on the left for the orange navigation? In theory you could put the stripes into thecontent div instead of trying to move the background colour over. Of course you're going to have problems in the browsers that don't respect body set to 100% and divs set to 100% for the full height effect (which is a mouthful but hopefully makes sense). I was just playing around with it and I couldn't get it to move over slightly politely either. I've always stuck to the "top left" or "bottom right" stuff... I'd recommend setting background-position: fixed, but it's not going to help with people who have high resolutions and maximized browsers. The only other site I've got up right now with background images is www.salzmann.com (original design is not mine). My favorite page is the Aquatic Massage Therapy page. I'd also add a padding-right to your thecontent div. The words feel all squished against the ride side of the page. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From poohbear at designshift.com Wed Feb 26 15:12:01 2003 From: poohbear at designshift.com (Sarah) Date: Wed Feb 26 15:12:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] CSS background-position property not working In-Reply-To: <E668B550-49CB-11D7-B7D6-000393D62E96@showtunepink.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030226163236.00a72af0@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030226171419.00a97980@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> >alternately, you could do mostly what you were before, instead applying >the background image to a div nested within the body (directly after >the tag)-- something like: > >body >{ font-family: sans-serif; > font-size: 90%; > background-color: #ff9900; > color: white; >} > >#bg >{ > width:100%; > margin-left:100px; > background-image: url("images/stripes.gif"); >} > >so you'll get your orange band and the rest of the page (at any width) >will be filled with the background image. I had thought of doing this, but then the div, being set to 100% width, makes a horizontal scrollbar appear, which I wanted to avoid. Sarah From daxi2000 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 26 15:13:27 2003 From: daxi2000 at earthlink.net (Dee, Dax Development.com) Date: Wed Feb 26 15:13:27 2003 Subject: [thelist] Design input In-Reply-To: <013901c2ddda$27608080$1004a8c0@wtp.art> Message-ID: <007901c2dddd$1d3ad120$0100a8c0@D1> Kimberly, Unfortunately, the logo is the original logo of the company - and isn't something that I will be given control over (changing that would be up to the marketing/media people). I honestly am not sure what the origin of the logo is (why the flower), but it's one of those things that I am just going to have to work with. Thanks for the input! I will pass it along to my client. Now, I think you have a better idea of what I'm working with - this client LOVES her current design - doesn't see anything wrong with it (she's only moving forward with a different design, etc because she's had enough biz owners tell her that the site is getting cluttered) and just keeps adding more and more to it - she is, admittedly, stuck in a rut. In harmony, Dee "If you can *dream* it, we can *do* it! www.daxdevelopment.com >-----Original Message----- I'm not sure I make the connection >between the lily and planning & organizing for busy women. >Reminds me of hygiene products and vitamins - not planners. From kimberly.carroll at art.com Wed Feb 26 15:17:01 2003 From: kimberly.carroll at art.com (Kimberly Carroll) Date: Wed Feb 26 15:17:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Design input In-Reply-To: <007901c2dddd$1d3ad120$0100a8c0@D1> Message-ID: <014c01c2dddc$c1e26ae0$1004a8c0@wtp.art> Dee, I feel your pain. Introduce her to David Allen's site - I think it would be a great way to help her see the potential in what she's doing. Perhaps with some clever design-tactics you can minimize the flower power. :) - Kimberly From poohbear at designshift.com Wed Feb 26 15:20:01 2003 From: poohbear at designshift.com (Sarah) Date: Wed Feb 26 15:20:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] CSS background-position property not working In-Reply-To: <20030226210607.GC10217@debian> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030226163236.00a72af0@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030226133306.00a72898@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030226163236.00a72af0@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030226172142.00acbdb0@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> >I missed this the first time around...How was the background image not >positioning correctly? Was it simply not leaving a space on the left for >the orange navigation? In theory you could put the stripes into thecontent div >instead of trying to move the background colour over. Of course you're >going to have problems in the browsers that don't respect body set to 100% >and divs set to 100% for the full height effect (which is a mouthful but >hopefully makes sense). > >I was just playing around with it and I couldn't get it to move over >slightly politely either. I've always stuck to the "top left" or "bottom >right" stuff... I'd recommend setting background-position: fixed, but it's >not going to help with people who have high resolutions and maximized >browsers. The only other site I've got up right now with background images >is www.salzmann.com (original design is not mine). My favorite page is the >Aquatic Massage Therapy page. > >I'd also add a padding-right to your thecontent div. The words feel all >squished against the ride side of the page. > >emma I guess I should have been more specific about it not positioning correctly. Yes, it was not leaving room for the orange section (it just filled the whole background). I changed the padding in thecontent - you're right, it was kind of squished. Sarah From toby at rsux.com Wed Feb 26 15:21:01 2003 From: toby at rsux.com (Tobyn Baugher) Date: Wed Feb 26 15:21:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] info on templates, XML and TLAs In-Reply-To: <20030226204049.GB10217@debian> References: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B47@fsjubj05> <20030226204049.GB10217@debian> Message-ID: <146705721.1046276478@[192.168.0.4]> On Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:40 PM -0500 Emma Jane Hogbin <emmajane at xtrinsic.com> wrote: > And XSL Transformations are sexier than PHP and Perl templates, right? > (That's mostly a /rhetorical/ question.) I personally think it's silly > to use PHP and Perl templates when there's a > perfectly good XML template language out there. I'd have to disagree. While XSL is great, probably the display technology of the future, etc. it's also basically an entire programming language. Not only that, but it's a programming language that doesn't have any sort of close ancestor that lots of people are likely to know to ease the transition (ie. C/C++ -> Java/C#, Shell/sed/awk -> Perl). On the other hand, with something like Smarty or Template Toolkit, a designer can whip up a page in Dreamweaver or whatever they're familiar with in the regular old (X)HTML they know, love, and have authoring tools to help them make, and then just put things like {$text} in where the content should be. The point of XML+XSL is to separate the content from the presentation. For that it does its job very well. The point of using a templating system is to separate the coding work from the designing work, which is not something XSL is particularly adept at, at least not yet. I, personally, think both are quite "sexy" in their own ways :). Just my thoughts, Toby -- Tobyn Baugher <toby at rsux.com> http://www.rsux.com aim: dieplzkthxbye icq: 14281524 efnet: toby From xslf at xslf.com Wed Feb 26 15:51:01 2003 From: xslf at xslf.com (Shoshannah Forbes) Date: Wed Feb 26 15:51:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Windows streaming media on a Mac? In-Reply-To: <692CB166-49A6-11D7-B512-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> References: <692CB166-49A6-11D7-B512-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <51982.212.143.226.66.1046296337.squirrel@www.stamyair.com> > On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 09:56 AM, Hershel Robinson wrote: >> Can someone with a Mac (and maybe someone withOUT a Mac too) check out >> this >> page: >> >> http://www.thereisone.com/books&music.htm <snip> > > Second idea, after you do the first and if it still doesn't work: link > directly to the .wma file. This won't be true streaming, but it will > begin to play as soon as enough has downloaded. Also, keep in mind that the Windows Media Plugin on Mac works with IE only- not with any other browser (Netscape, Mozilla, Chimera, Safari, Opera, OmniWeb, iCab etc). This is due to some Microsoft issues, not to something the browser makers can really fix. Therefor, it will be a good idea to have a direct link to the .wma file so people can copy/paste it into their WMP application, if they are using a browser other then MacIE. From hassan at webtuitive.com Wed Feb 26 15:54:01 2003 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Wed Feb 26 15:54:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts In-Reply-To: <20030226204857.PERN14046.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> References: <20030226204857.PERN14046.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <3E5D37C3.7090109@webtuitive.com> jerryscannell at cox.net wrote: > I have tried (and failed) with the following: > > 1. Set a session variable to "cancel". The reporting module > checks for it at the end of the do ... loop. The reporing > loop never saw the change in the session variable's value. OK, again not knowing *anything* about ASP -- the above sounds like the reporting loop is examining a *copy* of the session variable that was created when the reporting process initialized; it needs to examine the actual current state. Alternatively, does ASP have any concept of an Listener? Wrap your reporting code in a class that implements a Listener that'll pass an interrupt event to the loop when it occurs? Afraid that's about as much as I can suggest :-/ -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Wed Feb 26 16:02:01 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Wed Feb 26 16:02:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B4E@fsjubj05> > OK, again not knowing *anything* about ASP -- the above > sounds like the reporting loop is examining a *copy* of the > session variable that was created when the reporting process > initialized; it needs to examine the actual current state. As long as the report loop checks Session("cancel") it should get the current value. Unless for some reason the second frame connection is creating a new session. Are cookies disabled on the client? > Alternatively, does ASP have any concept of an Listener? Wrap > your reporting code in a class that implements a Listener > that'll pass an interrupt event to the loop when it occurs? No inheritance of any kind, it's strictly interpreted script. ASP.NET overcomes this problem very nicely, all languages are first-class OO with compilation and caching. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Feb 26 16:15:01 2003 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Feb 26 16:15:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] IIS, Novel and Access References: <062101c2db60$492c2b50$a336a4cf@mef> <011501c2db96$d0f46490$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: <036501c2dde4$81d001d0$a336a4cf@mef> Just a brief follow up to this post from the weekend. I wanted to thank Ken and Jason for their advice. Ken was spot on .. his solution would work, if the situation were ideal. Unfortunately, our datafile is approaching 19Meg at a compressed stage .. and linking to it from the webserver causes it to timeout, which we determined by using a small version of the datafile and that did work. So, we're pretty much back at square one. They (the sysadmin guys) were trying to get Novel to talk to the webserver and allow the inhouse staff to access the version on the webserver directly. So far today that hasn't worked out yet .. we'll see what happens. Anyway, thanks for the advice .. it was much appreciated. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Schaefer" <ken at adOpenStatic.com> > > Options: > a) If changes to the data only happen "internally", then develop something > to "push" a copy of the .mdb file across to the webserver (every hour, or > day or whatever) > > b) If you really need to get this working (I don't recommend it - .mdb files > are file based - you'll be pulling almost the entire database across the > wire everytime you want to run a query - it'll be a performance nightmare), > then: > i) change your connection string to be UNC based: > \\server\share\database.mdb > ii) change the anonymous user account to a domain account > iii) assign appropriate permissions (Read/Write) to the share and file > to that domain account. From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 26 16:19:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Feb 26 16:19:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] More RegEx Fun In-Reply-To: <3E5C911D.4000209@contactjuggling.org> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEIGGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> kae, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Kae Verens > > after re-reading the XML spec, I see the prohibition is > only on '<', '&' and '"' (section 2.3 - regexp [^<&"]). ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< url? thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From mail at redhotsweeps.com Wed Feb 26 16:37:02 2003 From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty) Date: Wed Feb 26 16:37:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] MYSQL Connecting problems Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226162703.01f24f08@redhotsweeps.com> Hello all. I am getting this error when I try to make a connection to the mysql database. Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket 'please specify mysql.addr.com as the hostname' (2) This is my connection string. $db = mysql_connect("mysql.addr.com", "$userid", "$password"); mysql_select_db("$database",$db); I have verified the database server is correct. The user id and password is correct. Can anyone offer any advice? I have never come across this error that could not be fixed. Scripts in another directory work fine using this same database server address. Anyone? CDitty From Anthony at Baratta.com Wed Feb 26 16:54:01 2003 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Wed Feb 26 16:54:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] MYSQL Connecting problems Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226145325.0250b768@baratta.com> At 02:41 PM 2/26/2003, CDitty wrote: >This is my connection string. >$db = mysql_connect("mysql.addr.com", "$userid", "$password"); >mysql_select_db("$database",$db); Shot in the dark: You shouldn't need "" around the $Variables. Does this user have remote or local access to the DB? Is the DB local or remote? Does the Web Server work from a different IP or HostName with the other scripts?? Does that hostname have local or remote rights to the DB?? --- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative." From khallman at wrack.org Wed Feb 26 16:57:00 2003 From: khallman at wrack.org (Kelly Hallman) Date: Wed Feb 26 16:57:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] winXP registry In-Reply-To: <20030226204903.23095.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302261452070.23574-100000@clove.wrack.org> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > Ok, I feel brave but still confused. I found regedit but this is what > the instructions say to do: "..user defined grouping. It's currently set > at 3, if you want to change this number open the .reg file in notepad > and edit the line: I assume either the directions are referring to a .reg file you're supposed to download, one that you are supposed to create, etc. An easier way to do it is just to navigate to the location in regedit and add/edit the key. You already have the path: > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\.. > Advanced] And the key: > TaskbarGroupSize=dword:00000003 I don't run XP, but on 2000 the path is there, but not the key. -- Kelly Hallman http://wrack.org/ From hfraser at videotron.ca Wed Feb 26 17:09:01 2003 From: hfraser at videotron.ca (Hans Fraser) Date: Wed Feb 26 17:09:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] js window problem Message-ID: <6CDF0A24-49DF-11D7-9FC1-000393BB47F0@videotron.ca> ok here it goes, this is the script i have (well ... a simplified version of the script): // i create a new window var newwindow=window.open("","favWin","titlebar=no, toolbar=no,location=no,directories=no,status=no, menubar=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=332,height=225"); // write in the window newwindow.document.open(); newwindow.document.write('<html>\n'); newwindow.document.write('<head>\n'); newwindow.document.write('<title>-</title>\n'); newwindow.document.write('<body>\n'); newwindow.document.write('</body>\n'); newwindow.document.write('</html>\n'); // close the window document ! newwindow.document.close(); // pull the html from the apropriate layer and feed it to the page! newwindow.document.body.innerHTML = "some html"; it has no problem with ie mac or pc, safari but with mozilla it creates the window all right but i get this error: newwindow.document.body has no properties it seems that the script does not recognize the document object or more like the window opens so and writes in it so fast that it does not have time to process what has actually appened ... it opens the window without a problem and writes in it all right but ... still i get "newwindow.document.body has no properties". if i put an alert right after the document.close() it seems to give off time for the window to be properly opened and registered and executes the rest of the script after the alert perfectly. any body gat an idea on how to get rid of this problem ... i am stumped! hans! From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Wed Feb 26 17:45:00 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Wed Feb 26 17:45:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] CSS background-position property not working In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030226171419.00a97980@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030226163236.00a72af0@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030226171419.00a97980@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> Message-ID: <20030226234456.GE10932@debian> On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 05:15:36PM -0400, Sarah wrote: > >#bg > >{ > > width:100%; > > margin-left:100px; > > background-image: url("images/stripes.gif"); > >} > I had thought of doing this, but then the div, being set to 100% width, > makes a horizontal scrollbar appear, which I wanted to avoid. In CSS-2 width=100% PLUS margin-left=100px results in sideways scrolling. (IE5 counts the width property incorrectly for CSS1+CSS2. It counts the entire "box" of the box model and therefore the above CSS would display as described in IE5.) IF you were willing to count everything in percentages you'd probably be ok: width: 60%; margin-left: 30%; padding-right: 5%; (with a bit left over for slop factor) Instead of doing the margin-left you /could/ do absolute positioning and then move it left: 100px (away from the left hand side of the page). http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/boxes.html has some good pictures but as you'll notice none of the boxes stretch the full height in all browsers (read: my browser). There's also: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssLayouts Somewhere there's a link to a three column layout that stretches all the way down and "works" in Netscape 4 (I haven't tested it though). http://realworldstyle.com/nn4_3col_header.html http://users.rraz.net/mc_on_the_rocks/testpage/thr.col.stretch.html Here's the one I was looking for http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/layouts/3Col_NN4_FMFM_B.mhtml gleaned from: http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/ Maybe that'll help. :) emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From cake at brothercake.com Wed Feb 26 17:47:00 2003 From: cake at brothercake.com (Cake) Date: Wed Feb 26 17:47:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] js window problem In-Reply-To: <6CDF0A24-49DF-11D7-9FC1-000393BB47F0@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <000001c2ddf1$71b21bf0$0100a8c0@CHARLIE> I've had something similair before, in some mozilla builds .. Er .. Sometimes. Sorry that's not so specific, but I never did lock it down for sure. I eventually adopted a maxim: "children of the body do not exist until *after* the entire document has rendered"; I don't think this is really true in a procedural sense, but the method it implies - don't try and read from or write to the body before window.onload has happened - made the problem go away. So now I always work from that assumption, and I've never had that kind of problem since. James -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Hans Fraser Sent: 26 February 2003 23:10 To: evolt List Subject: [thelist] js window problem ok here it goes, this is the script i have (well ... a simplified version of the script): // i create a new window var newwindow=window.open("","favWin","titlebar=no, toolbar=no,location=no,directories=no,status=no, menubar=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=332,height=225"); // write in the window newwindow.document.open(); newwindow.document.write('<html>\n'); newwindow.document.write('<head>\n'); newwindow.document.write('<title>-</title>\n'); newwindow.document.write('<body>\n'); newwindow.document.write('</body>\n'); newwindow.document.write('</html>\n'); // close the window document ! newwindow.document.close(); // pull the html from the apropriate layer and feed it to the page! newwindow.document.body.innerHTML = "some html"; it has no problem with ie mac or pc, safari but with mozilla it creates the window all right but i get this error: newwindow.document.body has no properties it seems that the script does not recognize the document object or more like the window opens so and writes in it so fast that it does not have time to process what has actually appened ... it opens the window without a problem and writes in it all right but ... still i get "newwindow.document.body has no properties". if i put an alert right after the document.close() it seems to give off time for the window to be properly opened and registered and executes the rest of the script after the alert perfectly. any body gat an idea on how to get rid of this problem ... i am stumped! hans! -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From pouncy_1 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 26 17:51:01 2003 From: pouncy_1 at hotmail.com (pouncyisdead) Date: Wed Feb 26 17:51:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ASP] HTTP Requests using PerlScript Message-ID: <OE66bN23Wvg58w1Dxvq00000a14@hotmail.com> I am trying to pull a remote page's content into an ASP page, as a string variable, using perl subroutines. It works rather inconsistently (IE: 75% of the time it works fine, 5% it pulls nothing, 20% it wont initialize at all). I would like this script to run consistently even if it slows the ASP page's performance down. I am running this script on a remotely hosted IIS 5.1 with ASPN activestate perl, so access to the OS is rather hard. Usage: <%@ Language="VBScript" ENABLESESSIONSTATE=false %> <% Option Explicit %> <script language="perlscript" runat="server"> sub drawURL{ use strict; use LWP::UserAgent; use HTTP::Request::Common qw(GET); my $url = shift; my $ua = new LWP::UserAgent; $ua->agent("Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows NT)"); my $req = GET $url; $req->header('Accept' => 'text/*'); my $page = $ua->request($req)->as_string; return $page; close $url; close $ua; close $req; close $page; exit(); } </script> <% DIM urlXM,strPage '// - urlXM is a database defined var urlXM = "http://someserver.co/somepage.html" strPage = drawURL(urlXM) Response.Write(strPage) %> Any Advice? Mike Pouncy || http://www.AvantArts.com/ From bvaradi at nlcnet.org Wed Feb 26 18:32:00 2003 From: bvaradi at nlcnet.org (Benjamin C. Varadi) Date: Wed Feb 26 18:32:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] tip- stickies for windows Message-ID: <1386363149.20030226193250@nlcnet.org> no affiliation. <TIP TYPE="saving trees at the office" author="ben varadi"> If you've used Macs in the past, but work in a PC environment, you may well have come to miss Stickies: that simple, colorful, Post-It note replacement. Well, some enterprising soul has written a freeware version for Windows that supports skins, hotkeys and (how's this for teaching an old dog new tricks?) a "networking" component that lets you leave notes on other computers (or send quick emails if they don't have the program, or are offline). It probably won't replace a chat client, but it sure is handy for jotting things down- and passing along phone messages. Stickies 4.0a, 485kb (language packs are like 10k each, there are also a bunch of other plugins that I haven't tried) http://www.btinternet.com/~tom.revell/ </TIP> -- Benjamin C. Varadi IT Coordinator National Labor Committee 275 7th Ave, Suite 1503; NYC 10001 phone: (212) 242-3002 x387 fax: (212) 242-3821 www.nlcnet.org From ken at adOpenStatic.com Wed Feb 26 18:50:01 2003 From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed Feb 26 18:50:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] winXP registry References: <20030226204903.23095.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <020c01c2ddfa$30815520$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> I suppose this way off-topic but... If you want to "import" values into the registry, you can create a .reg file with the values you want. Double-clicking on it will import those values into the existing registry. This is handy if you need to propogate changes to a large number of clients (rather than typing it in manually), or if you have a installation program that needs to modify the registry etc. Hope that explains the .reg file. You can't open the registry in notepad. It's a) a binary file b) contained in several physical files, some of which are locked by Windows so you can't open them directly. You edit the registry using a registry editor, such as regedit.exe or regedt32.exe I don't see that key in my registry, but you could add it if you want. Use regedit.exe and open the relevant key. On the right-hand side, right-click and choose "New Reg_DWord". Rename it to the value you want "TaskbarGroupSize", and change the value to 00000003 You may need to logoff/logon to get this value to change as certain values (especially for things like Explorer) are only read when you logon. Cheers Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Tom Dell'Aringa" <pixelmech at yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [thelist] winXP registry : --- Ryan Christensen <ryan at dres.org> wrote: : : > Editing ones registry shouldn't be done by the faint of heart.. : > however, if you feel brave............ : : Ok, I feel brave but still confused. I found regedit but this is what : the instructions say to do: : : "..user defined grouping. It's currently set at 3, if you want to : change this number open the .reg file in notepad and edit the line: : : Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 : : [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanc ed] : : "TaskbarGroupSize"=dword:00000003" : : I can't seem to find that key in regedit (even though I imported it) : but it seems anyway you open and change it in NotePad..but I can't : find that file! How do I find that file to open it in notepad? Search : for TaskbarGroupSize.reg? From aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca Wed Feb 26 19:08:25 2003 From: aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca (Aleem Bawany) Date: Wed Feb 26 19:08:25 2003 Subject: [thelist] winXP registry In-Reply-To: <20030226203131.8197.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c2ddf4$a288fac0$0a00a8c0@Aleem> > I've been looking at some tips for winXP and they are the > type where you adjust registry settings. They generally > say go to the > > Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 In most cases, a tweaking tool will do the job for you but in general, I have never had any problems with changing registry settings, just make sure you remember the changes. XP has a rollback feature so if something does go wrong, you can always rollback. you might also want to try the infamous tweakUI, somewhat basic but still good. There's also the MS power toys: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp happy tweaking (it's addictive)! aleem [ http://aleembawany.com/ ] From ken at adOpenStatic.com Wed Feb 26 21:17:01 2003 From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed Feb 26 21:17:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ASP] cookie question References: <8BE83ACB4413F246992E7A4EC5DC7D2B2EB476@exchange.internal.municode.com> Message-ID: <045b01c2de0e$ce688560$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> I'm not sure what you mean by "your code does not work" - you just want to redirect somewhere... Your code snippet can be collapsed from: 'nav=2&id=1 specifies the content for the page the cookie value redirects to : if request("nav") = 2 and request("id") = 1 then : session("online") = True : session.timeout = 60 : end if : : 'creating this session was how I got around the redirect loop : if Session("online") <> True then : homepage=request.Cookies("homepage") : if homepage = "onlineCodes" then : response.Redirect("index.asp?nav=2&id=1") : end if to <% If Not (Request("nav") = 2 and Request("id") = 1) then strHomepage=request.Cookies("homepage") If strHomepage = "onlineCodes" then Response.Redirect("index.asp?nav=2&id=1") End If End If %> since that's all your current stuff does. Cheers Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Caudill" <SCaudill at municode.com> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:58 AM Subject: RE: [thelist] [ASP] cookie question : Ken Schaefer wrote: : > When the user next comes back to the site, I don't see what you can't : > do: : > : > <% : > strRedirect = Request.Cookies("Homepage") : > strParams = Request.Cookies("OptionalParams") : > : > Select Case strRedirect : > Case "FirstHomePage" : > Response.Redirect("/somesite/") : > Case "SecondHomePage" : > Response.Redirect("/someothersite/default.asp?" & strParams) : > End Select %> : : Thanks for replying Ken, I was beginning to think that I was the only one that ever saw my posts. Unfortunately because of the way the site is structured (using a bastardized version of the FuseBox methodology that calls all content into the index page based on querystring parameters) your method did not work. I have figured it out though and I thought I would post the solution in case anyone was interested. : : <% : 'home = 1 is the parameter used to set the cookie : home = int(request("home")) : if home = 1 then : response.Cookies("homepage") = "onlineCodes" : response.Cookies("homepage").expires = "01/01/04" : end if : : 'nav=2&id=1 specifies the content for the page the cookie value redirects to : if request("nav") = 2 and request("id") = 1 then : session("online") = True : session.timeout = 60 : end if : : 'creating this session was how I got around the redirect loop : if Session("online") <> True then : homepage=request.Cookies("homepage") : if homepage = "onlineCodes" then : response.Redirect("index.asp?nav=2&id=1") : end if : end if : %> : : So, thar she blows. The page in question is at: : http://neohero.municode.com/fusion/index.asp?nav=2&id=1 : : : Thanks, : Stephen Caudill : : -- : * * Please support the community that supports you. * * : http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ : : For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester : and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org : Workers of the Web, evolt ! From edwin at lanset.com Wed Feb 26 23:18:00 2003 From: edwin at lanset.com (Edwin Horneij) Date: Wed Feb 26 23:18:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Email regex In-Reply-To: <3e5d1b3f$1@fuseware.com> Message-ID: <F11B1FC6-4A12-11D7-BF27-000A27AE1DFA@lanset.com> On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 11:40 AM, Chris Evans wrote: > I use the following regex to validate email: > > ^([[:alnum:]][-a-zA-Z0-9_%\.]*)?[[:alnum:]]@[[:alnum:]][-a-zA-Z0- > 9%\.]*\.[[:alpha:]]{2,}$ > > When doing some code review, I was asked whether this is the "industry > standrd" email validation. Does anybody have a better one, or > sugestions on how to improve it? I don't want to go overboard and use > the 6598 character regex in the back of the O'Reilly "mastering Reg Ex" > book, but want to make sure I'm validating in a good way. I don't know if it's better, but I usually use ^[^[:space:]@]+@([[:alnum:]\-])+\.)+[[:alpha:]]{2,6}$ which would allow some weird strings to the right of the "@", but since even a normal looking email address could be fake, and you never know what some people will choose as a userid, I figured I'd let it go at that. From kverens at contactjuggling.org Thu Feb 27 02:28:01 2003 From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens) Date: Thu Feb 27 02:28:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] More RegEx Fun In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEIGGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEIGGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3E5DCC0D.8030508@contactjuggling.org> .jeff wrote: > kae, > > >><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< >>From: Kae Verens >> >>after re-reading the XML spec, I see the prohibition is >>only on '<', '&' and '"' (section 2.3 - regexp [^<&"]). >><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > > url? http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml section 2.3 - sub section 10 oh - add apostrophes to the list of "don'ts". the full text to look for is: [10] AttValue ::= '"' ([^<&"] | Reference)* '"' | "'" ([^<&'] | Reference)* "'" -- Kae Verens _______\_ webworks.ie pay: www.webworks.ie _____\\__ webhosts play: www.contactjuggling.org ___\\\___ design kae: kverens.contactjuggling.org _\\\\____ code From aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca Thu Feb 27 03:17:01 2003 From: aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca (Aleem Bawany) Date: Thu Feb 27 03:17:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] mysql/php: get auto-increment ID for record Message-ID: <000401c2de38$ca254450$0a00a8c0@Aleem> I am inserting a record into a mysql DB and leaving the ID field blank since it's assigned automatically and is auto-increment. However, I need to use this ID in a subsequent query to insert into another table. Is there anyway to get the ID that MySQL picks for the first query and use that in the second query? After some googling, this is what I am down to currently (some psuedo code): // insert into first table // get the last ID from above query: $query="SELECT * FROM firstTable ORDER BY id DESC LIMIT 1"; // this alternative, is slower I assume: // $query = "SELECT MAX(id) FROM firstTable"; // insert into secondTable values ("a","b",$ID) Am I likely to run into trouble/conflicts? (I think I am) Is there a better/standard way of doing this? aleem [ http://aleembawany.com/ ] From kverens at contactjuggling.org Thu Feb 27 03:24:01 2003 From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens) Date: Thu Feb 27 03:24:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] mysql/php: get auto-increment ID for record In-Reply-To: <000401c2de38$ca254450$0a00a8c0@Aleem> References: <000401c2de38$ca254450$0a00a8c0@Aleem> Message-ID: <3E5DD905.8060602@contactjuggling.org> Aleem Bawany wrote: > I am inserting a record into a mysql DB and leaving > the ID field blank since it's assigned automatically > and is auto-increment. However, I need to use this > ID in a subsequent query to insert into another > table. Is there anyway to get the ID that MySQL > picks for the first query and use that in the second > query? http://php.net/mysql_insert_id -- Kae Verens _______\_ webworks.ie pay: www.webworks.ie _____\\__ webhosts play: www.contactjuggling.org ___\\\___ design kae: kverens.contactjuggling.org _\\\\____ code From christopher at ideadesigners.com Thu Feb 27 04:16:01 2003 From: christopher at ideadesigners.com (Christopher Joseph) Date: Thu Feb 27 04:16:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] LDAP/Mozilla on a small network In-Reply-To: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAGEBBMDAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk> References: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAGEBBMDAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E5DE64D.3060002@ideadesigners.com> I would like to be able to use Mozilla and/or other email clients to share contacts accross a small (currently windows) network. The only thing I can think of to allow sharing of contacts (possibly also mail folders?) is LDAP. Can anyone advise on whether this is the best direction to go in and if so are there any freeware/opensource LDAP servers out there for windows. (apologies if I have missed someting glaringly obvious but I am not really a windows kiddie) -- Christopher Joseph ------------------- http://www.ideadesigners.com [iseries & web technologies] mailto: christopher at ideadesigners.com mobile: +44 7966 003860 Office: +44 1296 620790 facsimile: +44 1296 620789 ICQ: 78019724 From futureweb at macmail.com Thu Feb 27 07:10:01 2003 From: futureweb at macmail.com (Benjer) Date: Thu Feb 27 07:10:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Js hiding email address Message-ID: <BA83BE3B.41DD%futureweb@macmail.com> I need a quick javascipt solution for a rollover image which is a email link - eventually we'll use asp but need this as a quick fix, here?s my current KLUDGED code <code> <script language=javascript>  </script> </code> I always get in a bit of a muddle with ??? and ??? can anyone help clear this up for me. ben From rwhitener at DesignOptions.com Thu Feb 27 08:02:01 2003 From: rwhitener at DesignOptions.com (Rob Whitener) Date: Thu Feb 27 08:02:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] MYSQL Connecting problems Message-ID: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA644556A@exmail.designoptions.com> I had some strange problems like this with MySQL and PHP also. I can't really tell you what to do. The way I worked it was by creating a Database Class that extended a class of constants in which I have constants for the datatbase name, hostname, userid, and password (probably not the most secure solution, but easy to update). Have you tried taking the quotes off of the variables you pass into the functions? >$db = mysql_connect("mysql.addr.com", -->"$userid", -->"$password"); >mysql_select_db(-->"$database",$db); -----Original Message----- From: CDitty [mailto:mail at redhotsweeps.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 5:42 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] MYSQL Connecting problems Hello all. I am getting this error when I try to make a connection to the mysql database. Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket 'please specify mysql.addr.com as the hostname' (2) This is my connection string. $db = mysql_connect("mysql.addr.com", "$userid", "$password"); mysql_select_db("$database",$db); I have verified the database server is correct. The user id and password is correct. Can anyone offer any advice? I have never come across this error that could not be fixed. Scripts in another directory work fine using this same database server address. Anyone? CDitty -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From r937 at interlog.com Thu Feb 27 08:13:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu Feb 27 08:13:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Js hiding email address References: <BA83BE3B.41DD%futureweb@macmail.com> Message-ID: <009601c2de6a$800276e0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > I always get in a bit of a muddle with ??? and O?? the wha? that came across as " ... with <sup>312</sup> and O<sup>21</sup>" what are you trying to do? what does your script generate? and what are you doing for people without javascript? <noscript>? well, duh, rudy -- of course not in <noscript> you'd have to code in plain text whatever the script is attempting to generate, so that would sort of defeat the purpose, eh? rudy From a.r.mccoy at larc.nasa.gov Thu Feb 27 08:16:01 2003 From: a.r.mccoy at larc.nasa.gov (Alan McCoy) Date: Thu Feb 27 08:16:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] PHP RSS gathering script In-Reply-To: <3E5CF37A.17FF7C66@lds.com> Message-ID: <003901c2de6a$dec50a30$f5249b80@ONCA> :: Hi, :: I'm looking for a free PHP script that gathers RSS feeds :: from various sources and can display them on one page. I'm :: hoping for minimal coding. Anyone know of anything like this? Peter Tons here: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=php+rss§ion=projects HTH, Alan From futureweb at macmail.com Thu Feb 27 08:25:00 2003 From: futureweb at macmail.com (Benjer) Date: Thu Feb 27 08:25:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Js hiding email address In-Reply-To: <009601c2de6a$800276e0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: <BA83CFDC.41E5%futureweb@macmail.com> > the wha? > > > what are you trying to do? what does your script generate? CONFUSED? Sorry, basic idea is an rollover image with an email link. Just want to hide the email link from spamBots. > and what are you doing for people without javascript? <noscript>? > > well, duh, rudy -- of course not > > in <noscript> you'd have to code in plain text whatever the script is > attempting to generate, so that would sort of defeat the purpose, eh? Its a short term fix for the client, it will be asp later so won't have to worry about the noscript tags. > that came across as " ... with <sup>312</sup> and O<sup>21</sup>" Is that a mac/pc email char set prob? benjer From kverens at contactjuggling.org Thu Feb 27 08:34:00 2003 From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens) Date: Thu Feb 27 08:34:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Js hiding email address In-Reply-To: <BA83CFDC.41E5%futureweb@macmail.com> References: <BA83CFDC.41E5%futureweb@macmail.com> Message-ID: <3E5E21DA.5090703@contactjuggling.org> Benjer wrote: >>the wha? >> >> >>what are you trying to do? what does your script generate? > > > CONFUSED? > > Sorry, basic idea is an rollover image with an email link. > > Just want to hide the email link from spamBots. if you have the ability, then a form mailer is probably the best way to do this - forget about publishing email addresses altogether. Or, do a bit of reading at alistapart - one of the recent articles was about obfuscating email addresses. -- Kae Verens _______\_ webworks.ie pay: www.webworks.ie _____\\__ webhosts play: www.contactjuggling.org ___\\\___ design kae: kverens.contactjuggling.org _\\\\____ code From kverens at contactjuggling.org Thu Feb 27 08:42:00 2003 From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens) Date: Thu Feb 27 08:42:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] MYSQL Connecting problems In-Reply-To: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA644556A@exmail.designoptions.com> References: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA644556A@exmail.designoptions.com> Message-ID: <3E5E2388.8070003@contactjuggling.org> Rob Whitener wrote: > From: CDitty [mailto:mail at redhotsweeps.com] > This is my connection string. > $db = mysql_connect("mysql.addr.com", "$userid", "$password"); > mysql_select_db("$database",$db); > > I have verified the database server is correct. The user id and password > is correct. Can anyone offer any advice? I have never come across this > error that could not be fixed. Scripts in another directory work fine > using this same database server address. why don't you write a file called db.php which connects to the database, then just include that in any files that need database access? it seems to me that you are rewriting code that should really by centralised, and this is causing errors. if you think you're having a headache now - wait until you're asked to move the site onto a new hosting server and have to rewrite the connections... you'll thank your centralisation then... -- Kae Verens _______\_ webworks.ie pay: www.webworks.ie _____\\__ webhosts play: www.contactjuggling.org ___\\\___ design kae: kverens.contactjuggling.org _\\\\____ code From chris at ecleanuk.com Thu Feb 27 08:46:01 2003 From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh) Date: Thu Feb 27 08:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Js hiding email address In-Reply-To: <BA83BE3B.41DD%futureweb@macmail.com> Message-ID: <000201c2de6f$27f88610$d700000a@dev01> Benjer > <code> > <script language=javascript> >  </script> </code> > > I always get in a bit of a muddle with ??? and ??? can anyone > help clear this up for me. How about: <script> var username = "benjer"; var hostname = "macmail.com"; var email = username + "@" + hostname; var link = "<a href='mailto:" + email + "' "; var mover = "MM_swapImage(\"email\",\"\",\"images/email_f2.gif\",1)"; var mout = "MM_swapImgRestore()"; var img = "<img src='images/email.gif' alt='email' name='email' width='31' height='16' border='0' />"; link += "onmouseover='" + mover + "' "; link += "onmouseout='" + mout + "'>"; link += img; link += "</a>"; document.write(link); </script> You can condense this code, but I left it expanded like this to simplify what's going on. You'll note that var mover contains escaped double quotes. I think that this is the only place you'll need to escape quotes. HTH Regards Chris Marsh From ml at kfxdesign.net Thu Feb 27 08:48:00 2003 From: ml at kfxdesign.net (kristina) Date: Thu Feb 27 08:48:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Js hiding email address In-Reply-To: <BA83CFDC.41E5%futureweb@macmail.com> References: <BA83CFDC.41E5%futureweb@macmail.com> Message-ID: <1101133386503.20030227144849@kfxdesign.net> Benjer, Thursday, February 27, 2003, 2:23:24 PM, Benjer wrote: <:> B> Just want to hide the email link from spamBots. <:> If this is only a temporary thing will turning the @ into ascii not suffice? eg; test at domain.com = test@domain.com or even go the whole hog: test@domain.com -- bfn .kristina kfxdesign.net From futureweb at macmail.com Thu Feb 27 09:03:01 2003 From: futureweb at macmail.com (Benjer) Date: Thu Feb 27 09:03:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Js hiding email address In-Reply-To: <000201c2de6f$27f88610$d700000a@dev01> Message-ID: <BA83D8C6.41EE%futureweb@macmail.com> On 27/2/03 2:47 pm, "Chris Marsh" <chris at ecleanuk.com> wrote: > You can condense this code, but I left it expanded like this to simplify > what's going on. You'll note that var mover contains escaped double > quotes. I think that this is the only place you'll need to escape > quotes. Worked a treat, thanks for leaving it uncondensed - helps me understand the escaping of quotes etc. Still find it slightly confusing, will research more once todays deadline has elapsed and I can breathe again :( benjer From joshua at waetech.com Thu Feb 27 09:04:03 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Thu Feb 27 09:04:03 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] More RegEx Fun References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLMEELGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <086f01c2de71$76f6ed40$0300a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: ".jeff" <jeff at members.evolt.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:30 PM > let's say i have some tags i want to enforce trailing slashes on. for > example: > > <br> > <img src="images/foo.gif"> > <input type="submit" value="Continue >>>"> > > how would i go about doing that? > > notice that last one is a doozy and may ultimately make this next to > impossible with regex. i'm hoping someone here can prove me wrong. http://concepts.waetech.com/unclosed_tags/ I'm sure some smarty will try to break this code... please do. I used the XHTML 1.0 reference for the definitions to a certain extent. For example, the spec does call for limitations as to which characters may be in attribute values. The regex's I created do not since I was trying to cater the results to .jeff's example. I deviated for simplification in a couple other places as well, but I hope that these rules will catch most common derivations of tags. > next, i'd like to enforce tag attribute quoting. if any attributes are > found unquoted, wrap them with double-quotes. I'll see what I can figure out. -joshua From joshua at waetech.com Thu Feb 27 09:28:01 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Thu Feb 27 09:28:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Supporting scripts that generate bad code (was: oh, the irony!!!!!) References: <584F955C-48FD-11D7-BCFA-000393703A62@bmannconsulting.com> Message-ID: <04f201c2dd9a$e646fff0$0300a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boris Mann" <boris at bmannconsulting.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:11 PM > This raises an interesting question: should one support > scripts/software that generates "bad code"? I would think this is > another area to take a stand and insist on standards. I think in an idealist world then this stand would make sense. However, there are enough "unskilled" web workers that use the web to put food on the table that this won't happen any time soon. The use of cheap WYSIWYG editors will proliferate until proper code is enforced by all major browsers and bad code is replaced by the browser with a page that says "The page you are viewing is shoddy, go somewhere else to spend money and time." Just my 2cents. -joshua From merlene at maddymayhem.com Thu Feb 27 09:28:42 2003 From: merlene at maddymayhem.com (Merlene Paynter Blacha) Date: Thu Feb 27 09:28:42 2003 Subject: [thelist] Help with searchable recipe site Message-ID: <000e01c2ddc2$ee062810$857ba8c0@desktop> Hi there, I've been asked to help create a searchable recipe site, much like http://www.recipesource.com and have no idea where to begin. Would this be best set as mysql database? Or ... ? What I need is a way to search each recipe by ingredient. Example: someone wants to view all recipes that include zucchini in the recipe list, and so on. I've never taken on anything quite this scale and I'd like a pointer or two. I've never used mySQL but I'm a quick study. If mySQL's not the way to go if someone could point me to better way to do the search I'd appreciate it. The site is a non profit site so I don't want to get into purchasing search engine software, etc. Thanks in advance! Merlen From BreezyGraphics at aol.com Thu Feb 27 09:28:55 2003 From: BreezyGraphics at aol.com (BreezyGraphics at aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 27 09:28:55 2003 Subject: [thelist] Re: thelist digest, Windows streaming media Message-ID: <1e5.3274d38.2b8e8b53@aol.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] In a message dated 02/26/2003 12:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, Hershel Robinson writes: > Can someone with a Mac (and maybe someone withOUT a Mac too) check out this > page: http://www.thereisone.com/books&music.htm and let me know if the > sounds files are useable. I'm on a pc running XP with windows media player 8 and it sounds great! I normally encode for realplayer because more people have it and I think video looks better, but the audio on your site sounds as good as a stereo on my system. Have a great day, Breezy. From todd at tofuku.com Thu Feb 27 09:29:27 2003 From: todd at tofuku.com (Todd) Date: Thu Feb 27 09:29:27 2003 Subject: [thelist] Online credit card processing. In-Reply-To: <000201c2ddb4$184e4670$2f1e9942@dwchome> Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAnjLt4gntiUu/u6Vz1zIDp8KAAAAQAAAAeIGtHCOZC0GK9bcJ5vxgWQEAAAAA@tofuku.com> I use total merchants they are an authorized. net reseller. No problems so far. You can use my link below to get a discount. $75 setup fee 2.29 % and .3 a transaction $10 month $10 gateway fee (optional) You can get software and enter it in manually to avoid the gateway fee and it does reoccurring billing! You can use this link http://totalmerchantservices.com/?id=103797&pid=10840 I am in the process of getting discount rate to my clients for using my service i.e. design, hosting, $10 domain registration ect.., I'm in the process of implementing a front end. Todd Ballard Todd at tofuku.com $10 domains, hosting, and credit card processing! From neal at constructweb.com Thu Feb 27 09:30:06 2003 From: neal at constructweb.com (construct) Date: Thu Feb 27 09:30:06 2003 Subject: [thelist] best business book for designers References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021205103624.03488388@pop.rcn.com> <3DEFC0E2.3050208@teltest.com> Message-ID: <018101c2ddf6$0306b620$370914ac@nwatkins> can anybody suggest a great book for the "Business side" of being a web designer? From edwinhorneij at attbi.com Thu Feb 27 09:30:33 2003 From: edwinhorneij at attbi.com (Edwin Horneij) Date: Thu Feb 27 09:30:33 2003 Subject: [thelist] Email regex In-Reply-To: <F11B1FC6-4A12-11D7-BF27-000A27AE1DFA@lanset.com> Message-ID: <30D0B54B-4A2D-11D7-BF27-000A27AE1DFA@attbi.com> > ^[^[:space:]@]+@([[:alnum:]\-])+\.)+[[:alpha:]]{2,6}$ > > which would allow some weird strings to the right of the "@" Sigh. The left, I mean. From jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk Thu Feb 27 09:31:40 2003 From: jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk (Jon Haworth) Date: Thu Feb 27 09:31:40 2003 Subject: [thelist] mysql/php: get auto-increment ID for record Message-ID: <67DF9B67CEFAD4119E4200D0B720FA3F0241EDDA@BOOTROS> Hi Aleem, > // get the last ID from above query: > $query="SELECT * FROM firstTable ORDER BY id DESC LIMIT 1"; PHP provides a function for exactly this situation: http://php.net/mysql-insert-id HTH Jon From webmendoza120 at yahoo.com.ar Thu Feb 27 09:32:37 2003 From: webmendoza120 at yahoo.com.ar (=?iso-8859-1?q?Becky?=) Date: Thu Feb 27 09:32:37 2003 Subject: [thelist] CSS background problems Message-ID: <20030227135319.92431.qmail@web41303.mail.yahoo.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hi, I saw your email online. I'm having problems setting my CSS background to black. THe font color works and everything, but the background does not work. Here is what I've put: <html> <head> <style type="text/css"> body {background-color: #111111} a:link {color: red} a:visited {color: purple} a:active {color: blue} h1 {font-size: 100%} h1 {font-family: Arial} h2 {font-size: 300%} h2 {font-family: Arial} h2 {color: black} h3 {font-size: 100%} h3 {font-family: Arial} h3 {color: black} h4 {font-size: 100%} h4 {font-family: Arial} h4 {color: red} ol.uroman {list-style-type: upper-roman} h5 {font-family: Arial} h5 {font-size: 50%} h5 {color: black} </style> </style> </head> <body> </body> Could you please help me? Thank you for your time! --------------------------------- Internet gratis: usuario "yahoo", contrase?a "yahoo". Desde Buenos Aires, 4004-1010. M?s ciudades From chris at ecleanuk.com Thu Feb 27 09:42:00 2003 From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh) Date: Thu Feb 27 09:42:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] CSS background problems In-Reply-To: <20030227135319.92431.qmail@web41303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c2de76$e22c5aa0$d700000a@dev01> Becky A number of points... > Hi, I saw your email online. I'm having problems setting my > CSS background to black. THe font color works and everything, > but the background does not work. Here is what I've put: [..] I pasted your code into an html document. 1) In IE6/XPPro the body's background color as set was reflected in the rendering. 2) You are not setting it to black, rather a very dark gray. 3) You close the <style> tag twice. 4) You do not close the <html> tag at all. If this info is of no use in troubleshooting perhaps you could include a URL/updated code and an indication of what color the background shows up as and your browser/platform combination. Regards Chris Marsh From headlemur at clearskymail.com Thu Feb 27 10:01:01 2003 From: headlemur at clearskymail.com (the head lemur) Date: Thu Feb 27 10:01:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Video editing suggestions Message-ID: <005d01c2de79$b5668880$0200a8c0@clearskybroadband.com> Platform win98 looking for video capture and and editing software for video and camcorders. full motion video ...... probably need to take off list will post summary tia the head lemur From Ian.Cannonier at torex.com Thu Feb 27 10:22:01 2003 From: Ian.Cannonier at torex.com (Ian Cannonier) Date: Thu Feb 27 10:22:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Question Message-ID: <7DE8F8EC5BFBB149ABC4110D2F3458303411AB@bali.tinuk.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Does anyone know how to check the date of file of the client side? I'm trying to write a JavaScript function that will check a file on the users pc. If the file is an old one the user will receive an alert message asking them to download the current version. Any ideas Thanks in advance Ian Cannonier T O R E X Switchboard : +44 (0) 1462 476800 Email: ian.cannonier at torex.com From carmodyryan at hotmail.com Thu Feb 27 10:45:01 2003 From: carmodyryan at hotmail.com (Ryan Carmody) Date: Thu Feb 27 10:45:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion CFFILE Upload help Message-ID: <F1200fER1lpKiz6xq3X000054de@hotmail.com> Hi, When trying to upload a file with a period at the end of the file name (ex: txt file 'test.') CF throws this error: The path, 'c:\..\test..txt', is illegal. Path specifications cannot include '..' Besides telling our clients to come up with better file names, does anyone know how to trim the trailing period off either before of after the file is actually uploaded so the file on our server would be test.txt and not test..txt? TIA, Ryan _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From edc at wnc.quik.co.nz Thu Feb 27 11:00:01 2003 From: edc at wnc.quik.co.nz (michael ensor) Date: Thu Feb 27 11:00:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] CSS background problems References: <20030227135319.92431.qmail@web41303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c2de81$ed2a1220$406237d2@oemcomputer> Becky, simple check - try adding a semi-colon to the end of each line of style= body {background-color: #111111; } ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" <webmendoza120 at yahoo.com.ar> To: "evolt" <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:53 AM Subject: [thelist] CSS background problems : -- : [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] : : Hi, I saw your email online. I'm having problems setting my CSS background to black. THe font color works and everything, but the background does not work. Here is what I've put: : : <html> : : <head> : : <style type="text/css"> : : body {background-color: #111111} : : a:link {color: red} : : a:visited {color: purple} : : a:active {color: blue} : : h1 {font-size: 100%} : : h1 {font-family: Arial} : : h2 {font-size: 300%} : : h2 {font-family: Arial} : : h2 {color: black} : : h3 {font-size: 100%} : : h3 {font-family: Arial} : : h3 {color: black} : : h4 {font-size: 100%} : : h4 {font-family: Arial} : : h4 {color: red} : : ol.uroman : : {list-style-type: upper-roman} : : h5 {font-family: Arial} : : h5 {font-size: 50%} : : h5 {color: black} : : </style> : : </style> : : </head> : : <body> : : </body> : : Could you please help me? Thank you for your time! : : : : --------------------------------- : Internet gratis: usuario "yahoo", contrase?a "yahoo". Desde Buenos Aires, 4004-1010. M?s ciudades : -- : * * Please support the community that supports you. * * : http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ : : For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester : and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org : Workers of the Web, evolt ! : : --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 24/02/03 From hershelr at netvision.net.il Thu Feb 27 11:01:00 2003 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Thu Feb 27 11:01:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Windows streaming media on a Mac? In-Reply-To: <005901c2ddaf$f1a8c4e0$0101c80a@hershel> Message-ID: <006201c2de81$eaf77ab0$0101c80a@hershel> > Can someone with a Mac <snip> check out this > page: > > http://www.thereisone.com/books&music.htm > > and let me know if the sounds files are useable. Well, I uploaded an .htaccess file which I built according to this page: http://www.client-success.com/php/htaccess.php using MIME types from here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwmt/html/ mime.asp This is my 2-line .htaccess file: AddType audio/x-ms-wma wma AddType audio/x-ms-wax wax but it doesn't appear to actually be working. :( I put the .htaccess file in the root of the site and then just in case, I put it in the /audio directory. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Hershel From Luke.Hilton at boimail.com Thu Feb 27 11:12:01 2003 From: Luke.Hilton at boimail.com (Luke.Hilton at boimail.com) Date: Thu Feb 27 11:12:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Welcome to the "thelist" mailing list Message-ID: <OFED5BA56F.A3C5F64F-ON80256CDA.005D841C@boimail.com> Just upgraded to IE6 from IE5.5 and now are experiencing some funny syptoms with page rendering. When previewing a page from a fresh browser window spacer graphics that are clear are displayed. When I say displayed I see the outline, but beveled. This happens on most web pages, but if you refresh the page the problem disappears. ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at MailMonitor at isismail.ie and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ******************************************************************** From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Thu Feb 27 11:33:01 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Thu Feb 27 11:33:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] CSS background problems In-Reply-To: <001701c2de81$ed2a1220$406237d2@oemcomputer> References: <20030227135319.92431.qmail@web41303.mail.yahoo.com> <001701c2de81$ed2a1220$406237d2@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20030227173316.GB2774@debian> On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 06:01:09AM +1300, michael ensor wrote: > Becky, simple check - try adding a semi-colon to the end of each line of > style= > body {background-color: #111111; } Since she only has one property: value for each rule the semi colon is actually optional. The other way to make sure you're getting *black* is to use the keyword black instead of numbers. Black can be any /one/ of these values: background: black; (note the semi colons are optional for single property/value rules) background: #000; (Short form for "hex" values. # is required!) background: #000000; ("html" format for hex, # still required) background: rgb(0,0,0); (counting from 0-255) background: rgb(0%, 0%, 0%); (counting from 0-100% saturation) "background" the property name can also be written "background-color." Either are acceptable if only the background color is being defined. For more information about each of the background properties see: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#background-color For more information on units of color see: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#color-units Hope that helps. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com Thu Feb 27 11:55:00 2003 From: Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com (Mark Joslyn) Date: Thu Feb 27 11:55:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Opening multiple widows Message-ID: <002401c2de89$64efd400$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com> Situation: HTML form ASP Action Send Button When the user hits the send button, the ASP action pulls a document from the database and inserts the information into a new window. Problem: I want the Send button to open a new window EACH time the user clicks it. The new window keeps loading into itself instead of opening multiple windows. I am using "_new" as the target. How can I get this Send button to open as many windows as the user clicks? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, markJ From abdullah at uxdg.com Thu Feb 27 12:17:01 2003 From: abdullah at uxdg.com (Abdullah Shaikh) Date: Thu Feb 27 12:17:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Opening multiple widows References: <002401c2de89$64efd400$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com> Message-ID: <01eb01c2de8c$780311d0$1e62010a@mercury> Increment the target programatically... ie. _new1 _new2 _new3 etc. If you keep using _new (without a number), it will initially find there is no window named '_new' and open one... subsequent attempts will locate that window, and use it as the target. ----- Original Message ----- > How can I get this Send button to open as many windows as the user clicks? > > Any help would be appreciated. From so.there at showtunepink.com Thu Feb 27 12:33:01 2003 From: so.there at showtunepink.com (j.d. welch) Date: Thu Feb 27 12:33:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Windows streaming media on a Mac? In-Reply-To: <006201c2de81$eaf77ab0$0101c80a@hershel> Message-ID: <14C80C62-4A82-11D7-B7D6-000393D62E96@showtunepink.com> On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 11:58 America/New_York, Hershel Robinson wrote: > but it doesn't appear to actually be working. :( it works in IE (click on link, starts wmp, plays file), but that's all. not surprising. safari saves the .wmx file to disk, but wmp claims 'the format is invalid.' chimera displays a blank window when you click the link. since the .wax file only provides the acutal location of the file, why don't you just make the links on the page to the .wma files instead? i tested this; the browsers download the file and safari is clever enough to open and play it. ------------------------------------------------------------------ J.D. Welch | so.there at showtunepink.com graphic designer | http://www.showtunepink.com web developer | http://kitschparade.ath.cx i'm available | http://www.showtunepink.com/resume.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Thu Feb 27 12:34:02 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Thu Feb 27 12:34:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] Opening multiple widows In-Reply-To: <01eb01c2de8c$780311d0$1e62010a@mercury> References: <002401c2de89$64efd400$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com> <01eb01c2de8c$780311d0$1e62010a@mercury> Message-ID: <20030227183415.GE2774@debian> On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 10:17:20AM -0800, Abdullah Shaikh wrote: > If you keep using _new (without a number), it will initially find there is > no window named '_new' and open one... subsequent attempts will locate that > window, and use it as the target. I always thought there was an _new as well. But apparently it's _blank. Check: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#type-frame-target Remember as of XHTML 1.0 Strict you'll have to start using Javascript. (which is weird because it means you won't be able to load form results in a different frame with target, you'll have to use JS...) http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#dtdentry_xhtml1-strict.dtd_form (Careful: this page has all three DTDs and it's easy to scroll into the next one by mistake.) emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From hershelr at netvision.net.il Thu Feb 27 12:45:01 2003 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Thu Feb 27 12:45:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Windows streaming media on a Mac? In-Reply-To: <14C80C62-4A82-11D7-B7D6-000393D62E96@showtunepink.com> Message-ID: <007001c2de90$6c38e4c0$0101c80a@hershel> > since the .wax file only provides the acutal location of the file, why > don't you just make the links on the page to the .wma files > instead? i > tested this; the browsers download the file and safari is > clever enough > to open and play it. Yes, I actually figured this out myself as well. The only disadvantage of .wma is that it's' not streaming. I put both links now. :) Thanks. From djinn at darkdesigns.org Thu Feb 27 12:50:10 2003 From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (djinn at darkdesigns.org) Date: Thu Feb 27 12:50:10 2003 Subject: [thelist] Link Style Specification Message-ID: <16538.64.202.166.4.1046371893.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net> I have a link menu that consists of logos with explanatory text like this: <a HREF="http://caine.camarilla.ca/"><img src="images/caine_banner_150x64.gif" width="150px" height="64px" alt="CAiNE Event Image"><br>The Canadian National Event<br>Mar. 20-23, 2003<br>London, Ontario, Canada</a> If I have my links styled like this: A:link { COLOR: #009933 } A:visited { COLOR: #009933 } A:hover { COLOR: #CC3300 } A:active { COLOR: #009933 } Looking at it in N6 and IE5.5, why aren't the link borders around the images the same color as the link text? And if I have my links styled like this: A:link { COLOR: #009933; border: 0 } A:visited { COLOR: #009933; border: 0 } A:hover { COLOR: #CC3300 } A:active { COLOR: #009933; border: 0 } Why doesn't this negate the link borders around the images except in the <hover> state? The links in question have no other classes or ids. Am I specifying this incorrectly? Or does this work in newer browsers? -- Jean Peterson From r937 at interlog.com Thu Feb 27 12:58:00 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu Feb 27 12:58:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] google news Message-ID: <004601c2de92$39f898a0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> search engine news is ontopic for web developers, right? feb 27: google gets patent feb 26: overture buys altavista, fast http://google.blogspace.com/ rudy From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Thu Feb 27 13:00:09 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Thu Feb 27 13:00:09 2003 Subject: [thelist] Link Style Specification In-Reply-To: <16538.64.202.166.4.1046371893.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net> References: <16538.64.202.166.4.1046371893.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20030227190012.GJ2774@debian> On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:51:33AM -0700, djinn at darkdesigns.org wrote: > A:link { COLOR: #009933; border: 0 } > A:visited { COLOR: #009933; border: 0 } > A:hover { COLOR: #CC3300 } > A:active { COLOR: #009933; border: 0 } > > Why doesn't this negate the link borders around the images except in the > <hover> state? You're actually trying to change the wrong item (or rather not enough items). What you want to change (to get the border) is the IMAGES inside the links. Like this: a:link img { border: none } Hope that helps. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From djinn at darkdesigns.org Thu Feb 27 13:25:01 2003 From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (djinn at darkdesigns.org) Date: Thu Feb 27 13:25:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Link Style Specification In-Reply-To: <20030227190012.GJ2774@debian> References: <20030227190012.GJ2774@debian> Message-ID: <40538.64.202.166.4.1046373939.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net> From: Emma Jane Hogbin <emmajane at xtrinsic.com> > > Why doesn't this negate the link borders around the images except in > the <hover> state? You're actually trying to change the wrong item (or rather not enough items). What you want to change (to get the border) is the IMAGES inside the links. Like this: a:link img { border: none } I knew about the border around images, but this border only appears because the image is a link - like text-decoration produces an underline when the text is a link. This whole thing is very counter-intuitive. And I still need to know why specifying my link colors doesn't also specify them for the image borders which are links. Jean Peterson From Ron.Luther at hp.com Thu Feb 27 13:47:01 2003 From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Thu Feb 27 13:47:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Help with searchable recipe site Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A0602F4BCE5@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Merlene Paynter Blacha asked: >>I've been asked to help create a searchable recipe site, much like >>http://www.recipesource.com and have no idea where to begin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Merlene, There are probably several ways you could go with this, and I'd probably go with a database solution because I'm not that familiar with site index servers or site search engine contruction. Are you starting from scratch or is this an enhancement to an existing recipe site? What platform and tools will be available to you in terms of databases or back-end scripting languages? How many recipes are they planning to put on the site? Do those recipes exist today in some electronic format (word? pdf? other?) or are they all going to have to be typed in by hand anyway? RonL. From evolt at thesinner.co.uk Thu Feb 27 13:50:01 2003 From: evolt at thesinner.co.uk (James Baster) Date: Thu Feb 27 13:50:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Idea: Distributed CMS. References: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B3E@fsjubj05> Message-ID: <005d01c2de99$a2e3dd00$18e8fb8a@res.stand.ac.uk> ----- Original Message ----- From: <David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: RE: [thelist] Idea: Distributed CMS. > > Firstly, it is important to note this I do not see a central > > database with mini websites. In this system each site is its > > own master - a peer to peer network in effect. This enables > > each individual site to keep control in there hands. For > > instance, if a roleplaying club joins a national group of > > roleplayers and later on disagrees with them on some > > fundamental idea, they can if they choose simply leave the > > group and still own all there own content, domain name and website. > > James, > > Having just read your requirements, and having not used this product at all > (but wanting to in the near future), it sounds like your requirement could > at least partially be met by using the MoveableType[0] weblog at each > installation, having multiple contributers per weblog, and then using > MoveableType's TrackBack[1] capability. Intresting post: I had seen www.lazyweb.com and TrackBack before but never understood how they worked - Thanks. (And http://www.ecademy.com/alexa.php looks intresting, might have a crack at that if I get free time. I've never programmed anything where performance and scalability would matter so much, would be intresting to try. :-) As for no central server, my primary reason is to give websites control, not scalability. (Althought that is a good reason to.) Althought in a kind of way what you describe does match what I had planned. Lots of individual sites, passing links (in trackbacks case) or content (in my case) around directly to each other. However the central server acts as basically a message relay (if I'm reading this right.), taking in messages from one site and forwarding them to all other sites in the group. (or the other sites check on the central server for new messages, or rss feeds.) See, I had planned a strictly pull model, where sites could pull content off other sites. But if one website published content it thinks others would want, there would be a messaging system, or a ping (nice terminology), to let the other websites know. Thats not really true p2p, or true central server. After all, Lazyweb does just holds a database of links to ... distributed content! Inicidetlly, I have to admit one of my primary motivations for posting this idea was to get feedback on it, but also to get it out in the public. Im a final year univeristy student and have no time to start a major project now. If someone is looking for a project, heres one for you :-) Otherwise I'll take a crack at it first chance I get. Like I said before, I do have technical thoughts on this I would be happy to share with someone. James. From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu Feb 27 13:51:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Thu Feb 27 13:51:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] More RegEx Fun In-Reply-To: <086f01c2de71$76f6ed40$0300a8c0@client1> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLCEMDGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> joshua, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Joshua Olson > > > let's say i have some tags i want to enforce trailing > > slashes on. [...] how would i go about doing that? > > http://concepts.waetech.com/unclosed_tags/ > > I'm sure some smarty will try to break this code... > please do. I used the XHTML 1.0 reference for the > definitions to a certain extent. For example, the spec > does call for limitations as to which characters may be > in attribute values. The regex's I created do not since > I was trying to cater the results to .jeff's example. > I deviated for simplification in a couple other places > as well, but I hope that these rules will catch most > common derivations of tags. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< the only thing i was hoping to catch that you didn't was a non-closing tag with a trailing slash without the optional leading space. i know the leading space is optional, but without it some browsers hork badly. so, i'd like to catch <br/> as invalid and convert to <br />. my guess is this will likely need to be an entirely separate check though. other than that i found what you put together to be awesome. thanks a ton. i'll be playing around with that today to see what i can do with it. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From ldelahunty at britstream.com Thu Feb 27 13:53:01 2003 From: ldelahunty at britstream.com (Liam Delahunty) Date: Thu Feb 27 13:53:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] best business book for designers In-Reply-To: <018101c2ddf6$0306b620$370914ac@nwatkins> Message-ID: <DPEEJKJMBMMJNBKDKFLHAEDDCKAA.ldelahunty@britstream.com> construct Sent: 27 February 2003 00:20 >can anybody suggest a great book for the "Business side" of being a web >designer? Not specifically web design, but this is a good read: How to Keep Running a Successful Design Company Marcello Minale An account of how to run a multidisciplinary design comapny. Every step of the the way in design is covered - from organizing one's portfolio and what to wear at an interview, to setting up in business, building a reputation and expanding internationally. This edition features new chapters on public speaking and the future of design on the eve of the next millennium. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861541309/ Also: Go It Alone - the Streetwise Secrets of Self Employment Geoff Burch http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1841124702/ Kind regards, Liam Delahunty, Mega Products Limited From poohbear at designshift.com Thu Feb 27 14:04:01 2003 From: poohbear at designshift.com (Sarah) Date: Thu Feb 27 14:04:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] JS hiding email address In-Reply-To: <1101133386503.20030227144849@kfxdesign.net> References: <BA83CFDC.41E5%futureweb@macmail.com> <BA83CFDC.41E5%futureweb@macmail.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227160204.00ab45f8@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> > If this is only a temporary thing will turning the @ into ascii > not suffice? > > eg; test at domain.com = test@domain.com I've also been looking for options for "hiding" email addresses on my site, and this sounds like a promising idea (and it doesn't use JavaScript, which is good). Does anyone know if it would be successful at hiding the email address from bots? Sarah From joel at spinhead.com Thu Feb 27 14:06:00 2003 From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Thu Feb 27 14:06:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript - clearing selected radio buttons when hiding a layer Message-ID: <D0E94826C140C3409057ED957D96AC4812E971@ireland.spinhead.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Scenario: user selects one of four departments (radio button) at which point, the correct list of GL codes becomes visible. If they change their mind, and select another department, the layer is hidden, but the radio button the clicked is still selected. Is there a simple way to say, "when a lyer is hidden, deselect or ignore all the values of the radio buttons" ? joel From joshua at waetech.com Thu Feb 27 14:09:00 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Thu Feb 27 14:09:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] [ColdFusion] More RegEx Fun References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLCEMDGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <09ed01c2de9c$28c356b0$0300a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: ".jeff" <jeff at members.evolt.org> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 2:46 PM > > http://concepts.waetech.com/unclosed_tags/ > the only thing i was hoping to catch that you didn't was a non-closing tag > with a trailing slash without the optional leading space. i know the > leading space is optional, but without it some browsers hork badly. so, i'd > like to catch <br/> as invalid and convert to <br />. my guess is this will > likely need to be an entirely separate check though. Jeff, Change rule 9 to this: <[[:alpha:]]+([[:space:]]+[[:alpha:]]+[[:space:]]*=[[:space:]]*("([^"]*)"|'( [^']*)'))*/> The only difference is that the whitespace portion after the attribute pairs has been removed. That should catch what you are looking for. -joshua From bvaradi at nlcnet.org Thu Feb 27 15:04:00 2003 From: bvaradi at nlcnet.org (Benjamin C. Varadi) Date: Thu Feb 27 15:04:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Code to send a hidden message that includes a subscribers e-mail address In-Reply-To: <CDF78DC3-49AF-11D7-B512-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> References: <CDF78DC3-49AF-11D7-B512-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <18080302418.20030227160509@nlcnet.org> buildin on that concept, you could use something like this: http://javascript.internet.com/user-details/visitor-monitor.htm ...which could be pretty easily altered to allow for a custom message in the body. when using mailto, though, keep in mind that not everyone can access it (ie: not everyone uses the computer's default mail client)... obvious examples being folks visiting your site from school and library computer labs, or webmail users. you may also want to warn your users what's going to happen, so that if a security alert pops up, they know to approve it. then, there are people like me, who through some confusion between The Bat! and Windows, can't click on mailto: links at all without opening like 30 blank browser windows. -BEN > <a > href="mailto:user at domain.com?body=subscribe%20list at domain.com%20[replace > %20this%20text%20with%20your%20email]">subscribe</a> > ... would pass the mustard. Or whatever that phrase is meaning > "suffice". -- Benjamin C. Varadi IT Coordinator National Labor Committee 275 7th Ave, Suite 1503; NYC 10001 phone: (212) 242-3002 x387 fax: (212) 242-3821 www.nlcnet.org From mark.m at optushome.com.au Thu Feb 27 15:59:01 2003 From: mark.m at optushome.com.au (Mark M) Date: Thu Feb 27 15:59:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion CFFILE Upload help Message-ID: <200302272200.h1RM0RZ08221@mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: <http://lists.evolt.org/pipermail/thelist/attachments/20030227/8d4d4409/attachment.txt> From amy at rocky-hills.com Thu Feb 27 16:01:00 2003 From: amy at rocky-hills.com (Amy Johnson) Date: Thu Feb 27 16:01:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Discussion software Message-ID: <MBBBKCIHDGAIONCKNKJJCEPMCGAA.amy@rocky-hills.com> I would like to add a discussion forum to a web site where people could submit comments or questions and others can answer or discuss freely. It would be an unmoderated discussion organized by threads and archived on a regular basis. I could program it but it would be a lot easier to get one that has already stood the test of time. Any recommendations? Thanks, Amy From evolt at jaydorsey.com Thu Feb 27 16:13:01 2003 From: evolt at jaydorsey.com (Jay Dorsey) Date: Thu Feb 27 16:13:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion CFFILE Upload help In-Reply-To: <F1200fER1lpKiz6xq3X000054de@hotmail.com> References: <F1200fER1lpKiz6xq3X000054de@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3E5E8DB6.90404@jaydorsey.com> Ryan Carmody wrote: > When trying to upload a file with a period at the end of the file name (ex: > txt file 'test.') CF throws this error: > > The path, 'c:\..\test..txt', is illegal. Path specifications cannot include > '..' > > Besides telling our clients to come up with better file names, does anyone > know how to trim the trailing period off either before of after the file is > actually uploaded so the file on our server would be test.txt and not > test..txt? Are you sure its breaking on the test..txt, and not the C:\.. part? When I read that error, the PATH part of the error sticks out in my mind as being the errored part. That path "reads" as one level up from the C drive, which is an invalid path. I just test a file named test..txt on CFMX, and it uploaded just fine. You may want to hardcode your DESTINATION. hth jay -- Jay Dorsey evolt at jay dorsey dot com From mark.m at optushome.com.au Thu Feb 27 16:16:00 2003 From: mark.m at optushome.com.au (Mark M) Date: Thu Feb 27 16:16:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion CFFILE Upload help Message-ID: <200302272216.h1RMGm019869@mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: <http://lists.evolt.org/pipermail/thelist/attachments/20030227/6bbdac0e/attachment.txt> From atul79 at rogers.com Thu Feb 27 16:19:01 2003 From: atul79 at rogers.com (Atul) Date: Thu Feb 27 16:19:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Discussion software In-Reply-To: <MBBBKCIHDGAIONCKNKJJCEPMCGAA.amy@rocky-hills.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030227171521.00b30068@pop> http://www.phpbb.com/ is an excellent open source bb application. It has tons of features, easy to install, manage and scale and free! One of my favorite features is auto pruning of old messages. Managing messages have never been easier (without having to pay big bucks). It runs on most OSes and MySQL (plus couple other databases, not too sure about that though) Hope this helps. Atul At 02:06 PM 27/02/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I would like to add a discussion forum to a web site where people >could submit comments or questions and others can answer or discuss >freely. It would be an unmoderated discussion organized by threads >and archived on a regular basis. I could program it but it would be a >lot easier to get one that has already stood the test of time. Any >recommendations? > >Thanks, >Amy > > >-- >* * Please support the community that supports you. * * >http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > >For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >Workers of the Web, evolt ! My Blog: http://blog.verticalinsanity.com From ldelahunty at britstream.com Thu Feb 27 16:26:01 2003 From: ldelahunty at britstream.com (Liam Delahunty) Date: Thu Feb 27 16:26:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Discussion software In-Reply-To: <MBBBKCIHDGAIONCKNKJJCEPMCGAA.amy@rocky-hills.com> Message-ID: <DPEEJKJMBMMJNBKDKFLHEEDNCKAA.ldelahunty@britstream.com> Amy Johnson > Any recommendations? I've just tried http://www.invisionboard.com and think it's excellent. Software Requirements: You will need PHP 4.0.3 or better (4.1+ highly recommended) and mySQL 3.22 or better (3.23.33+ recommended). Full License - $ 99.00 one time fee This license options allows you to download and use Invision Power Board with no restrictions. You are also granted the right to remove all the powered by and copyright messages the software outputs on your pages with this license. Restricted License - $ 0.00 (free) The restrictions placed on this license do not permit you to remove the copyright and powered by messages which the software outputs on your page. However, you can use Invision Power Board for free under this option. I've just tried the free version, haven't needed any support, and am happy with their branding... HTH, Liam From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Thu Feb 27 16:26:41 2003 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Thu Feb 27 16:26:41 2003 Subject: [thelist] Discussion software In-Reply-To: <MBBBKCIHDGAIONCKNKJJCEPMCGAA.amy@rocky-hills.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227172619.015b6ce0@craftedsolutions.com> Ikonboard (www.ikonboard.com) or phpBB (www.phpBB.com) Norman www.craftedSolutions.com At 04:06 PM 2/27/2003, you wrote: >I would like to add a discussion forum to a web site where people >could submit comments or questions and others can answer or discuss >freely. It would be an unmoderated discussion organized by threads >and archived on a regular basis. I could program it but it would be a >lot easier to get one that has already stood the test of time. Any >recommendations? > >Thanks, >Amy > > >-- >* * Please support the community that supports you. * * >http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > >For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >Workers of the Web, evolt ! From aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca Thu Feb 27 16:31:01 2003 From: aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca (Aleem Bawany) Date: Thu Feb 27 16:31:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] JS hiding email address In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227160204.00ab45f8@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> Message-ID: <001901c2dea7$c3d86a40$0a00a8c0@Aleem> > > If this is only a temporary thing will turning the @ > into ascii > not suffice? > > eg; test at domain.com = > test@domain.com > > I've also been looking for options for "hiding" email > addresses on my site, and this sounds like a promising > idea (and it doesn't use JavaScript, which is good). Does > anyone know if it would be successful at hiding the email > address from bots? Not really, spammers/spam bots are smarter than you and I would like to think. Whatever encoding you try, you can test it out here: http://willmaster.com/possibilities/demo/RetrieveEmails.cgi This will attempt to retrieve any emails from your site and help you test if you have encoded it securely. There is some interesting stuff here (if you scroll down): http://www.healyourchurchwebsite.com/archives/cat_proverbs_1925.shtml There is also the low-jack approach, to protect from spambots, probably the safest bet: name (at) domain dot com Then there is the Javascript approach, which if advanced spambots wish, they can still obtain by getting innerHTML or the parsed HTML instead of the source. There is the css approach, something based on the idea: name<div style="display: none">bogusword</div>@domain.com although it's not clickable. Here's some more encodings: %40 Hex encoded, non-parsible @ (can only be used inside href) @ ASCII encoded @ %40 this creates an ASCII % (037) followed by 40 = %40 = @ Another interesting tehcnique to catch spammers (slighly off topic since it's got nothing to do with hiding emails) is to put a hidden address on your site (hidden meaning, present in source, but not visible to end-users) which is not listed anywhere else but in the source. If someone mails you on that address, then you know a spam-bot was behind it. You can then block all those emails from your real address by monitoring the spam-catching address. In my opinion the lowjack approach is the safest bet. Human readable but it cannot match any regex. Along with this, if you wish for visitors to be able to email you (as opposed to just noting down your email addy), use an email form which is passed to the server, which can in turn email it to you. aleem [ http://aleembawany.com/ ] From evolt.org at purplepaste.com Thu Feb 27 16:35:00 2003 From: evolt.org at purplepaste.com (pitbull) Date: Thu Feb 27 16:35:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Discussion software References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030227171521.00b30068@pop> Message-ID: <0a6301c2deb0$951a62e0$4f14a8c0@PBULL2> I second phpBB... easy to get it up and running, great developer community with lots of additional functionality and modifications available (see http://phpbbhacks.com/), and it's all straight php and mySQL. BTW, if anyone has gotten phpBB 2.x running on Oracle I'd love to hear form you... -pete. > http://www.phpbb.com/ is an excellent open source bb application. > It has tons of features, easy to install, manage and scale and free! > > One of my favorite features is auto pruning of old messages. Managing > messages have never been easier (without having to pay big bucks). > It runs on most OSes and MySQL (plus couple other databases, > not too sure about that though) > > Hope this helps. > Atul > > > At 02:06 PM 27/02/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >I would like to add a discussion forum to a web site where people > >could submit comments or questions and others can answer or discuss > >freely. It would be an unmoderated discussion organized by threads > >and archived on a regular basis. I could program it but it would be a > >lot easier to get one that has already stood the test of time. Any > >recommendations? > > > >Thanks, > >Amy > > > > > >-- > >* * Please support the community that supports you. * * > >http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > >For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > >and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > >Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > My Blog: http://blog.verticalinsanity.com > > > > -- > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From rob.smith at THERMON.com Thu Feb 27 16:38:00 2003 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Thu Feb 27 16:38:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Session Variables are Getting Assassinated :-\ Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47F3@smtmb.tmc.local> Ok here's a weird one for all you ASP fans out there. session("city") = "San Francisco" then session("city") = "Austin" then session("city") = "Chicago" then session("city") = "Tampa" but when I try to reset it to session("city") = "San Francisco" I actually get: session("city") = from that point on any attempt at setting session("city") = something gets nothing. feels like session("city") gets corrupted. Why are my session variables getting assassinated when they see an old friends? Rob.Smith From sgd at ti3.com Thu Feb 27 16:52:01 2003 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Thu Feb 27 16:52:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Session Variables are Getting Assassinated :-\ Message-ID: <AE9BEBC586A48B4BA47843C4148B8251A5C280@apollo.ti3.com> Is this all happening on the same page or after successive requests? More details, please Rob Smith wrote on Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:37 PM: > Ok here's a weird one for all you ASP fans out there. > > session("city") = "San Francisco" > then > session("city") = "Austin" > then > session("city") = "Chicago" > then > session("city") = "Tampa" > but when I try to reset it to > session("city") = "San Francisco" > I actually get: > session("city") = From dan at danromanchik.com Thu Feb 27 16:55:01 2003 From: dan at danromanchik.com (Dan Romanchik) Date: Thu Feb 27 16:55:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Discussion software References: <MBBBKCIHDGAIONCKNKJJCEPMCGAA.amy@rocky-hills.com> Message-ID: <001901c2deb3$4e19a150$c27ba8c0@D9J77B01> I like and use Phorum (www.phorum.org). Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Romanchik - Web Developer dan at danromanchik.com, 734-930-6564 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Johnson" <amy at rocky-hills.com> To: "TheList" <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: [thelist] Discussion software > I would like to add a discussion forum to a web site where people > could submit comments or questions and others can answer or discuss > freely. It would be an unmoderated discussion organized by threads > and archived on a regular basis. I could program it but it would be a > lot easier to get one that has already stood the test of time. Any > recommendations? > > Thanks, > Amy > > > -- > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From cparker at swatgear.com Thu Feb 27 16:57:01 2003 From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker) Date: Thu Feb 27 16:57:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Discussion software Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14E47D@ati-ex-01.ati.local> Amy Johnson <mailto:amy at rocky-hills.com> wrote: > I would like to add a discussion forum to a web site where people > could submit comments or questions and others can answer or discuss > freely. you mean like a message board? ;) http://forum.snitz.com/ Snitz Forum. ASP/Access based. chris. From rob.smith at THERMON.com Thu Feb 27 17:04:01 2003 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Thu Feb 27 17:04:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Session Variables are Getting Assassinated :-\ Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47F4@smtmb.tmc.local> >Is this all happening on the same page or after successive requests? >More details, please Very well, I've got a home page... It sets a session variable when you click on a geographic region. That variable is the key to the rest of the site. When I return to the home page and select another region, I set that same session variable to something else. But when I return to my previous region, the session variable gets corrupted and doesn't want to get set. So yes is the answer to your question. ---o000 * * 000o--- Rob From michael.buffington at office.xerox.com Thu Feb 27 17:13:01 2003 From: michael.buffington at office.xerox.com (Buffington, Michael) Date: Thu Feb 27 17:13:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion code generator Message-ID: <770F9B1D8D948449A4538B772CB79EB22144E3@UsaWvMS04.opbu.xerox.com> Evolters! Do you hate writing the same ColdFusion code over and over again. I've got the elexir the cure your ailments! I just wrapped some CFC logic around some old code I had kicking around that would examine a database, then generate all sorts of useful code based on the database structure. I need some help testing it, because I'd like to eventually call it a full release, and make it available for download or used as a webservice or through the forms on my site. I'm currently fixing bugs, and logging new features. Web version: http://www.michaelbuffington.com/mb/webservices.cfm Web Service version (same code as above): http://www.michaelbuffington.com/webservices/codeGen/generator.cfc?wsdl You'll get the most out of the tool by consuming it as a web service, but I have no documentation for that so you're on your own. Future enhancements include multiple scripting languages (instead of just CF, how about PHP, JSP, Perl, ASP, Fortran?) Thanks! Michael Buffington http://www.michaelbuffington.com/mb/ From michael.buffington at office.xerox.com Thu Feb 27 17:13:33 2003 From: michael.buffington at office.xerox.com (Buffington, Michael) Date: Thu Feb 27 17:13:33 2003 Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion CFFILE Upload help Message-ID: <770F9B1D8D948449A4538B772CB79EB22144E4@UsaWvMS04.opbu.xerox.com> Have you tried using nameConflict="MakeUnique" in the CFFILE tag? If that works (which, honestly, I don't think has much of a chance), you can then do whatever kind of voodoo you want to the file name after the fact by messing with the cffile.serverFile variable. You may need to resort to telling your clients to name their files something within the realm of sane. Something cries out crazy when a file is named something. [with the . on the end of course] -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Carmody [mailto:carmodyryan at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:46 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion CFFILE Upload help Hi, When trying to upload a file with a period at the end of the file name (ex: txt file 'test.') CF throws this error: The path, 'c:\..\test..txt', is illegal. Path specifications cannot include '..' Besides telling our clients to come up with better file names, does anyone know how to trim the trailing period off either before of after the file is actually uploaded so the file on our server would be test.txt and not test..txt? TIA, Ryan _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From ken at adOpenStatic.com Thu Feb 27 17:19:00 2003 From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Thu Feb 27 17:19:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Session Variables are Getting Assassinated :-\ References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47F4@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: <006901c2deb6$b1391ec0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> Hi Rob, I don't understand the last part of your post. "When I return to my previous region..." What do you mean by this? Previously you spoke about setting the variable via a user-selection on your homepage. What exactly is "the previous region", and what are you trying to do there? (since this is the bit that isn't working...) Cheers Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Rob Smith" <rob.smith at THERMON.com> Subject: RE: [thelist] Session Variables are Getting Assassinated :-\ : >Is this all happening on the same page or after successive requests? : >More details, please : : Very well, : : I've got a home page... It sets a session variable when you click on a : geographic region. That variable is the key to the rest of the site. When I : return to the home page and select another region, I set that same session : variable to something else. But when I return to my previous region, the : session variable gets corrupted and doesn't want to get set. : : So yes is the answer to your question. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Thu Feb 27 17:25:00 2003 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Thu Feb 27 17:25:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] CFMAIL and CSS In-Reply-To: <006901c2deb6$b1391ec0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: <002301c2deb7$886c3710$1503a8c0@autolycus> All, I've never had to try this before--and now that I am, I'm failing to find "the way" to address CSS in my CFMAILs that I'm sending out. I do know that I need to manually define the styles in the document rather than link to an external page, but I am successfully placing them so that they're being referenced the right way. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Russ From rob.smith at THERMON.com Thu Feb 27 17:31:01 2003 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Thu Feb 27 17:31:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Session Variables are Getting Assassinated :-\ Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47F6@smtmb.tmc.local> >I don't understand the last part of your post. "When I return to my previous region..." >From my original post: session("city") = "San Francisco" then session("city") = "Austin" then If I try to go back to... session("city") = "San Francisco" it doesn't work Rob From paul at teltest.com Thu Feb 27 17:47:01 2003 From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett) Date: Thu Feb 27 17:47:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] [rich text editor] - Siteworks Pro - works in Mozilla! Message-ID: <3E5EA370.4050104@teltest.com> FYI: Ijust found a javascript based rich text editor that works in Mozilla! http://www.siteworkspro.com (you will have to enter the demo version to try it out) I thought all these things were based on IE's execCommand() proprietary javscript functions, but this company has imitated them in Mozilla / Gecko browsers. Anyone know how this has been done?? -- Paul Bennett Internet Developer Teltest Electronic Design -------------------------- Phone : 64 4 237 0767 Web : http://www.teltest.com Wap : http://wap.teltest.com Email : paul at teltest.com -------------------------- From sgd at ti3.com Thu Feb 27 18:01:01 2003 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Thu Feb 27 18:01:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Session Variables are Getting Assassinated :-\ Message-ID: <AE9BEBC586A48B4BA47843C4148B8251A5C285@apollo.ti3.com> How are you "going back?" via user selection, or programatically from another variable? Rob Smith wrote on Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:30 PM: >> I don't understand the last part of your post. "When I return to my > previous > region..." > > > From my original post: > > session("city") = "San Francisco" > then > session("city") = "Austin" > then If I try to go back to... > session("city") = "San Francisco" it doesn't work > From ken at adOpenStatic.com Thu Feb 27 18:20:08 2003 From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Thu Feb 27 18:20:08 2003 Subject: [thelist] Session Variables are Getting Assassinated :-\ References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47F6@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: <013201c2debf$58f02c50$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> Rob, That's not code. That's some psuedo logic. Please try to explain exactly what you're doing - which page(s) you are visiting (from the post below I assume you are returning to the homepage once again, repeating the previous process). Please post the code that you are using. Please tell us how you are returning to the homepage. Etc Cheers Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Rob Smith" <rob.smith at THERMON.com> Subject: RE: [thelist] Session Variables are Getting Assassinated :-\ : >I don't understand the last part of your post. "When I return to my : previous : region..." : : : From my original post: : : session("city") = "San Francisco" : then : session("city") = "Austin" : then If I try to go back to... : session("city") = "San Francisco" it doesn't work ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From evolt at thesinner.co.uk Thu Feb 27 18:29:01 2003 From: evolt at thesinner.co.uk (James Baster) Date: Thu Feb 27 18:29:01 2003 Subject: Offlist: RE: [thelist] Idea: Distributed CMS. References: <001801c2dea4$bc3d4510$0a00a8c0@Aleem> Message-ID: <00f701c2dec0$8e94d1c0$18e8fb8a@res.stand.ac.uk> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleem Bawany" <aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca> To: "'James Baster'" <evolt at thesinner.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: Offlist: RE: [thelist] Idea: Distributed CMS. > Interesting idea, something similar - if not the same - as what > I had thought of some time back and it got me really excited, > that I posted it (more as a rambling than a proposal) > > http://members.evolt.org/aleem/wiki/wakka.php?wakka=TopTenTechnologies http://freenet.sourceforge.net/ seems to fit your main request for content with no responsibility or accountability, so much so that there is the following in there FAQ: Q: What about child porn, offensive content or terrorism? A: While most people wish that child pornography and terrorism did not exist, humanity should not be deprived of their freedom to communicate just because of how a very small number of people might use that freedom. Q: I don't want my node to be used to harbor child porn, offensive content or terrorism. What can I do? A: The true test of someone who claims to believe in Freedom of Speech is whether they tolerate speech which they disagree with, or even find disgusting. If this is not acceptable to you, you should not run a Freenet node. ...... Myself, I do see control as a very important aspect. My experience running a university community website is primarily responsible for this. As a web administrator myself who has been threatned with lawsuits multiple times becasuse of what others wrote on a website I was responsible for, I understand the concerns people have when running websites. If I do end up programming this system, every bit of content will be able to be traced back to a website, and from the logs and details held privately by that website to a particular person. That way, users will still have anonymity and freedom as they could hide behind a psuedoname, but if they go to far, the webmaster can report them to the authorities. Of course it is up to the webmasters to judge on each individual case, and to set general policy for there group. As I see it, my code would be used for small communitys of people with common intrests or situations who simply wish to have a place to meet, and for whom ensureing freedom of speech will not be a primary motivation. My beliefs on freedom of speech will probaly start a long debate, and thats not what I came here for. > I, myself just graduated and looking for a job right (it keeps you > more busy than university itself) Don't depress me ...... :-) > > Really exciting stuff! > > cheers, > aleem > > [ http://aleembawany.com/ ] > > From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu Feb 27 18:33:24 2003 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu Feb 27 18:33:24 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts Message-ID: <04e001c2dec1$07491680$a336a4cf@mef> Hi Folks .. I'm working on a site that must have the ability to resize fonts. I'm just wondering what the preferred method is these days? The site will be liquid and will continue to use tables. It must function in NS4.x browsers but we're not going to worry at all if it doesn't look "great". Our target will be IE5.5+ and NS6.0+. References are great too. :) TIA, Michele From gozz at gozz.com Thu Feb 27 18:46:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Thu Feb 27 18:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] CFMAIL and CSS In-Reply-To: <002301c2deb7$886c3710$1503a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: <30461DE6-4AB6-11D7-8F5F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> In my (limited) experience, it doesn't matter where you put <style />. But what isn't working? My suggestion would be to view source of several really good html emails and come up with an approach based on your observations ... and test test test in as many email clients as you can stand. I've tested mine in (listed by "looks perfect" and "is best one can expect") (sample at end of this email) Perfect: yahoo web mail hotmail Outlook Express 5 Win/Mac Netscape mail 4 Win Netscape 7 mail Mac Latest AOL Pegasus Has problems, but is very legible/usable: Mail.app Eudora Win/Mac <tip type="avoiding Eudora centering of all HTML in html email" author="erik mattheis"> Eudora rewrites HTML email, usually with horrid results. To avoid it centering everything instead of just the elements you want it to, use ... <div style="text-align:center"></div> ... and the text will be left-aligned. </tip> If you're interested, this is the skelleton of the approach I'm using ... am open to suggestions for improvement, but works fine for the email clients I listed above: <code explanation="is not in email, just to show where it starts. triple dashed comments have been added to explain, double dashed comments are actually in the code">  This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----=BOUNDARY_2271253_LLXK_RSAO_NHDS_IREL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable [body of plain text version here] ----=BOUNDARY_2271253_LLXK_RSAO_NHDS_IREL Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> <table width="600" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr> <td> To view this email as a web page, click <a href="link">here.</a><br> To unsubscribe, please send an email to <a href="mailto:email at address?subject=UNSUBSCRIBE"> email at address </a> with the subject UNSUBSCRIBE</td> </tr> </table> <body> <style type="text/css">  --> </style>  </body> </html> ----=BOUNDARY_2271253_LLXK_RSAO_NHDS_IREL-- </code> On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 05:25 PM, Russ wrote: > I've never had to try this before--and now that I am, I'm failing to > find "the way" to address CSS in my CFMAILs that I'm sending out. > > I do know that I need to manually define the styles in the document > rather than link to an external page, but I am successfully placing > them > so that they're being referenced the right way. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca Thu Feb 27 18:50:01 2003 From: aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca (Aleem Bawany) Date: Thu Feb 27 18:50:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts In-Reply-To: <04e001c2dec1$07491680$a336a4cf@mef> Message-ID: <001d01c2debb$455c1b30$0a00a8c0@Aleem> > I'm working on a site that must have the ability to resize > fonts. I'm just wondering what the preferred method is > these days? The site will be liquid and will continue to > use tables. It must function in NS4.x browsers but we're > not going to worry at all if it doesn't look "great". > Our target will be IE5.5+ and NS6.0+. Use Ems and and %'s for font-size. Users can set their preferred font-size through their browser: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=UsingEms and more on the front page, regarding text sizing: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FrontPage Alternatively you could exercise pixel perfect control and offer a JS solution to text-resizing like http://www.wired.com does. aleem [ http://aleembawany.com/ ] From hassan at webtuitive.com Thu Feb 27 19:00:04 2003 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Thu Feb 27 19:00:04 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts In-Reply-To: <001d01c2debb$455c1b30$0a00a8c0@Aleem> References: <001d01c2debb$455c1b30$0a00a8c0@Aleem> Message-ID: <3E5EB4BE.2080001@webtuitive.com> Aleem Bawany wrote: > Alternatively you could exercise pixel perfect control and offer > a JS solution to text-resizing like http://www.wired.com does. alt-alternatively you could size in pixels and offer a server-side text resizer. Afraid my only implementations are behind a corporate firewall so no URL, but I'd be happy to offer details if desired. -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca Thu Feb 27 19:14:01 2003 From: aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca (Aleem Bawany) Date: Thu Feb 27 19:14:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts In-Reply-To: <3E5EB4BE.2080001@webtuitive.com> Message-ID: <001f01c2debe$9c826920$0a00a8c0@Aleem> > alt-alternatively you could size in pixels and offer a > server-side text resizer. Afraid my only implementations > are behind a corporate firewall so no URL, but I'd be > happy to offer details if desired. No details here, I would think. Just grab the font preference from the URL string (or a cookie) and generate a CSS file appropriately (font-size: $pref in style.css.php is just one way to go about it) aleem [ http://aleembawany.com/ ] From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu Feb 27 19:19:01 2003 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu Feb 27 19:19:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts References: <001f01c2debe$9c826920$0a00a8c0@Aleem> Message-ID: <051001c2dec7$760fcb80$a336a4cf@mef> It's a nice idea .. but I'd worry about someone breaking it after I leave. I hesitate to say this .. but .. the client will be using frontpage .. so I'll be developing the site in ASP with templates and full CSS .. as well as preparing a style guideline and instructions on how to add menu items, etc. .. but what happens after I leave, who knows. ;) M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleem Bawany" <aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca> > > alt-alternatively you could size in pixels and offer a > > server-side text resizer. Afraid my only implementations > > are behind a corporate firewall so no URL, but I'd be > > happy to offer details if desired. > > No details here, I would think. Just grab the font preference > from the URL string (or a cookie) and generate a CSS file > appropriately (font-size: $pref in style.css.php is just one > way to go about it) > From gozz at gozz.com Thu Feb 27 19:30:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Thu Feb 27 19:30:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts In-Reply-To: <04e001c2dec1$07491680$a336a4cf@mef> Message-ID: <5B3564BC-4ABC-11D7-8F5F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 06:33 PM, Michele Foster wrote: > I'm working on a site that must have the ability to resize fonts. Given your target browsers, the site's fonts will have the ability to resize fonts even if you _don't_ want them to be resizable ... personally, I find WIRED's text size links to be ... irritating - seems more gadgety than useful. A link to a page explaining how to resize fonts via the browser would not only solve any readability problems for visitors to that site, but readability problems for visitors to the WWW. Otherwise, I would opt for Hasshan's suggestion for a server-side solution. Thought there was an evolt hot-to, but could only find this: <http://www.alistapart.com/stories/phpswitch/> Wasn't there talk once on thesite about doing this for evolt? ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From steve at roatanet.com Thu Feb 27 20:20:01 2003 From: steve at roatanet.com (Steve Hasz) Date: Thu Feb 27 20:20:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] dnsmadeeasy.com opinions In-Reply-To: <018101c2ddf6$0306b620$370914ac@nwatkins> Message-ID: <OPEMLGJPOGBINEHIIKECGEMNFGAA.steve@roatanet.com> Hi, Has anyone used dnsmadeeasy.com? Comments? I need DNS services that are reasonably priced until I grow to the point of having my own DNS server and have been looking around. I currently use Zoneedit.com for some of my customers, but at $5~ per domain per year, it could get expensive. The DNS service I use needs to be very stable. Best, Steve www.roatanet.com - Visitors Guide to Roatan and the Bay Islands www.travel-to-honduras.com - Your Travel Guide to Honduras From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu Feb 27 20:30:00 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Thu Feb 27 20:30:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] dnsmadeeasy.com opinions In-Reply-To: <OPEMLGJPOGBINEHIIKECGEMNFGAA.steve@roatanet.com> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLEENOGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> steve, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Steve Hasz > > [...] I need DNS services that are reasonably priced > until I grow to the point of having my own DNS server > and have been looking around. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< how about free with an optional donation for advanced features. i've been using the services of a fellow evolt.org member. i've been extremely pleased with the service. http://everydns.net/ .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From steve at roatanet.com Thu Feb 27 21:08:01 2003 From: steve at roatanet.com (Steve Hasz) Date: Thu Feb 27 21:08:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] dnsmadeeasy.com opinions In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLEENOGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <OPEMLGJPOGBINEHIIKECAENCFGAA.steve@roatanet.com> Hi .jeff, Thanks for the reply. Based on their own notes at that address, it looks like they've been down intermittently for 2 days. I can't afford any downtime. Best, Steve <<how about free with an optional donation for advanced features. i've been using the services of a fellow evolt.org member. i've been extremely pleased with the service. http://everydns.net/ >> From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu Feb 27 21:39:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Thu Feb 27 21:39:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] dnsmadeeasy.com opinions In-Reply-To: <OPEMLGJPOGBINEHIIKECAENCFGAA.steve@roatanet.com> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLEEOFGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> steve, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Steve Hasz > > Thanks for the reply. Based on their own notes at that > address, it looks like they've been down intermittently > for 2 days. I can't afford any downtime. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< this is the first of any downtime i've experienced with their service. they were extremely quick to get on top the problem and try to counter it. unfortunately, a ddos attack can be difficult to get around. if you can't afford any downtime then any amount you might pay would be insignificant. if, however, as you say the money does matter then maybe you'll need to adjust your expectations alittle. a possible solution would be to use several of the low-cost/no-cost dns services out there simultaneously. use one as your primary and another as your secondary. then your chances of having problems like this are minimized. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From steve at roatanet.com Thu Feb 27 22:15:01 2003 From: steve at roatanet.com (Steve Hasz) Date: Thu Feb 27 22:15:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] dnsmadeeasy.com opinions In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLEEOFGJAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <OPEMLGJPOGBINEHIIKECKENEFGAA.steve@roatanet.com> Hi Jeff, Based on getting two replies within ten minutes from dnsmadeeasy.com, I'm tempted to go with them, but my first impulse is always to support community projects and open source projects by contributing or paying a fee. Of course if half my sites are down for a day and customers are screaming, it's hard to justify that. I'd be interested to see a comparison between all the DNS services for uptime and speed, free or otherwise. I've googled for one, but haven't found anything. If I understood the issues better, I'd write one. Best, Steve www.roatanet.com - Visitors Guide to Roatan and the Bay Islands www.travel-to-honduras.com - Your Travel Guide to Honduras ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Steve Hasz > > Thanks for the reply. Based on their own notes at that > address, it looks like they've been down intermittently > for 2 days. I can't afford any downtime. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< this is the first of any downtime i've experienced with their service. they were extremely quick to get on top the problem and try to counter it. unfortunately, a ddos attack can be difficult to get around. if you can't afford any downtime then any amount you might pay would be insignificant. if, however, as you say the money does matter then maybe you'll need to adjust your expectations alittle. a possible solution would be to use several of the low-cost/no-cost dns services out there simultaneously. use one as your primary and another as your secondary. then your chances of having problems like this are minimized. From toby at rsux.com Thu Feb 27 22:24:01 2003 From: toby at rsux.com (Tobyn Baugher) Date: Thu Feb 27 22:24:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Discussion software In-Reply-To: <DPEEJKJMBMMJNBKDKFLHEEDNCKAA.ldelahunty@britstream.com> References: <DPEEJKJMBMMJNBKDKFLHEEDNCKAA.ldelahunty@britstream.com> Message-ID: <258519921.1046388292@[192.168.0.4]> On Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:24 PM +0000 Liam Delahunty <ldelahunty at britstream.com> wrote: > I've just tried http://www.invisionboard.com and think it's excellent. Normally I'd second this. We use an old version on one of the message boards I frequent and it seems much more efficient than most PHP+MySQL message board software while still retaining all of the nifty features. Unfortunately, it seems that the latest version has a remote file inclusion vulnerability (according to Bugtraq). This sort of thing lets attackers execute any PHP code they like as the webserver user. If I were going to try it out I'd be sure to get the proper patch here http://www.phpsecure.org/index.php?zone=pPatchA&sAlpha=i or perhaps just wait for an updated version. Other than that, I like it a lot. Regards, Toby -- Tobyn Baugher <toby at rsux.com> http://www.rsux.com aim: dieplzkthxbye icq: 14281524 efnet: toby From noah at tookish.net Thu Feb 27 22:40:00 2003 From: noah at tookish.net (noah) Date: Thu Feb 27 22:40:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] SQL question Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227233042.018d9280@tookish.net> This is ASP querying an Access database. It should be easy, but I've been away from this stuff for a while can't get my head around it. I have a query like this: SELECT * FROM Gem a, Shapes b, CertTypes c WHERE a.Shape = b.Shape AND a.CertType = c.CertType AND NumberOfStones > 0 ORDER BY AverageSize I need to test c.Description later in the script, hence the a.CertType = c.CertType join. The problem is that a.CertType is not a required field, and the above query is not returning the records where a.CertType is not set. How can I have it return all records, whether a.CertType is set or not? Thanks for any help. Cheers, Noah From jalun at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 27 22:42:01 2003 From: jalun at sbcglobal.net (Dennis R) Date: Thu Feb 27 22:42:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Help with searchable recipe site In-Reply-To: <000e01c2ddc2$ee062810$857ba8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <ODEHJGKLEHJHGOJHPAPLMEJDCEAA.jalun@sbcglobal.net> > -----Original Message----- > I've been asked to help create a searchable recipe site, much like > http://www.recipesource.com and have no idea where to begin. Would this > be best set as mysql database? Or ... ? What I need is a way to search > each recipe by ingredient. I recently read a positive review of PHPRecipeBook in one of the Linux magazines (which, I don't recall). Requires Apache, PHP 4.2.3 or higher and either PostgreSQL 7.2.3 or MySQL 3.23.52 or higher. It lives at http://phprecipebook.sourceforge.net/ and there is an online demo. It has keyword search, which can be limited by course, base ingredient, ethnicity, etc. I haven't used it myself, so I can't comment on configurability/etc. but it may prove useful, at least as a starting point. Dennis Reed From ken at adOpenStatic.com Thu Feb 27 23:20:00 2003 From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Thu Feb 27 23:20:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] SQL question References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227233042.018d9280@tookish.net> Message-ID: <050d01c2dee9$35c822d0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> If a.CertType is not required, then what rows from Certtypes do you want to return when a.CertType is not set? Perhaps if you could give us some sample data (a few rows from each table), plus what you want the expected output to be, we can help you write the query... Cheers Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "noah" <noah at tookish.net> Subject: [thelist] SQL question : This is ASP querying an Access database. It should be easy, but I've been : away from this stuff for a while can't get my head around it. : : I have a query like this: : : SELECT * FROM Gem a, Shapes b, CertTypes c WHERE a.Shape = b.Shape AND : a.CertType = c.CertType AND NumberOfStones > 0 ORDER BY AverageSize : : I need to test c.Description later in the script, hence the a.CertType = : c.CertType join. The problem is that a.CertType is not a required field, : and the above query is not returning the records where a.CertType is not : set. How can I have it return all records, whether a.CertType is set or not? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From unrulymongrel at hotmail.com Thu Feb 27 23:20:10 2003 From: unrulymongrel at hotmail.com (unruly mongrel) Date: Thu Feb 27 23:20:10 2003 Subject: [thelist] Easy way for client to maintain online events calendar? Message-ID: <F170kjjJ68vMe9Ajxj40004a31f@hotmail.com> Greetings brilliant people. I have a client who does not know web design. They want to be able to maintain an online calendar, on their own, and it's something that'd need to be reliable and userfriendly. It also needs to be not too expensive. I'm assuming perhaps a PHP calendar would work? I don't know PHP, though. Does anyone have recommendations of perhaps online services my client could check out, something that'd make the task of maintaing an online events calendar relatively easy for a non-techie? I've googled this query, and have found options, but I'd like to know if there are evolters who'd recommend something specific. I trust yall's opinion. Thanks in advance. -d i am a magical being, take off your bra _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From hblair at hotfootmail.com Thu Feb 27 23:30:01 2003 From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair) Date: Thu Feb 27 23:30:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Perl loop -1 Message-ID: <014b01c2deea$90d09ee0$6601a8c0@transportgx> Again my Perl skills (-x) are showing. What is the way to change the loop below to cycle through $field and print all of them *except* the last one? ################################ foreach $field (@Field_Order) { print "$field: $Form{$field}<br />\n"; } ################################ Obviously this is a loop to read a form page. I just don't want the final value which is the "Submit" button. TIA -- Hugh From webmaster at websitesupdate.com Thu Feb 27 23:35:01 2003 From: webmaster at websitesupdate.com (Kevin) Date: Thu Feb 27 23:35:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Perl loop -1 References: <014b01c2deea$90d09ee0$6601a8c0@transportgx> Message-ID: <00ce01c2deec$d55571b0$6401a8c0@irubinmain> > Again my Perl skills (-x) are showing. What is the way to > change the loop below to cycle through $field and print > all of them *except* the last one? > > ################################ > foreach $field (@Field_Order) { > print "$field: $Form{$field}<br />\n"; > } > ################################ > > Obviously this is a loop to read a form page. I just > don't want the final value which is the "Submit" button. foreach $field (@Field_Order) { next if ($field =~ m/submit/i); print "$field: $Form{$field}<br />\n"; } There you are. -K From webmaster at websitesupdate.com Thu Feb 27 23:45:17 2003 From: webmaster at websitesupdate.com (Kevin) Date: Thu Feb 27 23:45:17 2003 Subject: [thelist] Adding extra zeros to dollar amounts when neccesary References: <006701c2dd63$c599ffa0$26d8c141@dres> Message-ID: <00f801c2deee$3d11e1c0$6401a8c0@irubinmain> > Would anyone be able to outline a method (in ECMA/javascript ideally) by > which I could add extra zeros to a numeric value to display a dollar amount > correctly? > > Example: 5 into 5.00 > > To someone who's only dabbled occasionally in client-side scripting, your > help would be invaluable! > > Much thanks in advance, > > Ryan Here is a perl version, if you decide to go with the server side route: sub dollify ($) { my $text = reverse sprintf "%.02f", $_[0]; $text =~ s/(\d\d\d)(?=\d)(?!\d*\.)/$1,/g; return '$' . reverse $text; } print dollify(5); > $5.00 From dbindel at austin.rr.com Thu Feb 27 23:47:01 2003 From: dbindel at austin.rr.com (David Bindel) Date: Thu Feb 27 23:47:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Perl loop -1 In-Reply-To: <014b01c2deea$90d09ee0$6601a8c0@transportgx> Message-ID: <000001c2deec$dff44150$0301a8c0@DAVID> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Hugh Blair > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:31 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] Perl loop -1 > > Again my Perl skills (-x) are showing. What is the way to > change the loop below to cycle through $field and print all > of them *except* the last one? > > ################################ > foreach $field (@Field_Order) { > print "$field: $Form{$field}<br />\n"; > } > ################################ > > Obviously this is a loop to read a form page. I just > don't want the final value which is the "Submit" button. I've never used Perl before (I know it's sad), but I am an avid server-side programmer in PHP, and your Perl code looks almost identical to PHP. A more logical solution would be to just get rid of the value for the submit button. How? Remove the name attribute from the button's HTML tag like this: <input type="submit" name="submit" value="Submit" /> becomes <input type="submit" value="Submit" /> By removing the name attribute, the submit button has no name/value pair, so it isn't sent with the rest of the named form elements to the script. Another alternative would be to use a for loop instead of foreach (I shy away from foreach loops). Example (guesswork, I'm not 100% sure if it works in Perl, but it's my honest attempt): for ($x = 0; $x <= sizeof($field) - 1; $x++) print "$field: $Form($field)<br />\n"; HTH, David Bindel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPl737X6TtTuKuQdTEQIv1ACdFohR8JdFasgtNgr5bT5q3PUBdgEAoLAh wZUrhidStul9KW7fvkb1Wi0W =vG7c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From magic32 at jps.net Thu Feb 27 23:53:00 2003 From: magic32 at jps.net (Roger Harness) Date: Thu Feb 27 23:53:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] MySQL/PHP deleting a record w/radio buttons Message-ID: <NFBBIDGIFBJDACDGOJFCKEBPLLAA.magic32@jps.net> 'volters, I have a simple MySQL database, with 4 fields; $idnum $title $poem $pubdate I'd like to be able to show idnum, title, and pubdate, (along with a radio button) for all poems in the database. The user will select a radio button for appropriate peom, then simply hit a 'delete' button, which of course will delete it from the database. With notes, and links, I WAS able to accomplish this using Perl, but im trying to stay consistent. (and btw, I AM able to get the radio buttons in there, I'm just having a hard time with what I need to DO them). So, can anyone point me to any tutorials/scripts/tips/etc that might help? Next of course, is an 'Edit/Modify' function, but that'll have to come later! :) sorry for the rookie question, -Roger Harness From pippen at bigpond.net.au Thu Feb 27 23:56:10 2003 From: pippen at bigpond.net.au (Scott Webster) Date: Thu Feb 27 23:56:10 2003 Subject: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts References: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B4E@fsjubj05> Message-ID: <027701c2deee$c273d8f0$bec82dcb@jack> ----- Original Message ----- From: <David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:02 AM Subject: RE: [thelist] Sharing data between ASP and JavaScripts : > OK, again not knowing *anything* about ASP -- the above : > sounds like the reporting loop is examining a *copy* of the : > session variable that was created when the reporting process : > initialized; it needs to examine the actual current state. : : As long as the report loop checks Session("cancel") it should get the : current value. Unless for some reason the second frame connection is : creating a new session. Are cookies disabled on the client? http://www.learnasp.com/learn/isclientconnected.asp Does this help? From noah at tookish.net Fri Feb 28 00:02:01 2003 From: noah at tookish.net (noah) Date: Fri Feb 28 00:02:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] SQL question In-Reply-To: <050d01c2dee9$35c822d0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227233042.018d9280@tookish.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030228004136.018a9d68@tookish.net> Hi Ken, Thanks for your help. At 12:21 AM 28/02/2003, you wrote: >If a.CertType is not required, then what rows from Certtypes do you want to >return when a.CertType is not set? Nothing from the CertTypes table, but I still want to return all the records from the Gem table. The problem is that as soon as I introduce the join between the Gem table and the CertTypes table, the query stops returning all records in the Gem table where the CertType field is unset (i.e., the field that I'm joining to the CertTypes table). >Perhaps if you could give us some sample data (a few rows from each table), >plus what you want the expected output to be, we can help you write the >query... Thanks -- it's actually quite convoluted, and I'm afraid that might further confuse the issue (I simplified it significantly in asking my question). I think the above explanation is better than my original one -- if not, let me know and I'll put together the data. Here's the query again: >: SELECT * FROM Gem a, Shapes b, CertTypes c WHERE a.Shape = b.Shape AND >: a.CertType = c.CertType AND NumberOfStones > 0 ORDER BY AverageSize Thanks again, Noah From ken at adOpenStatic.com Fri Feb 28 00:09:01 2003 From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Fri Feb 28 00:09:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] SQL question References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227233042.018d9280@tookish.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030228004136.018a9d68@tookish.net> Message-ID: <05d501c2def0$10b96ce0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> When you say "nothing", do you mean NULL values? If so, you want an OUTER JOIN. This will return NULL values for the CertTypes columns where there is no matching CertType value. That said, I don't think you should be using SELECT *. You'd want to select a.CertType, but not c.CertType, and return data like: a.CertType a.Field1 c.Description 1 'something' 'something' 2 'something' 'something' NULL 'something' NULL 3 'something' 'something' SELECT a.CertType, a.Field1 c.Description FROM Gem AS a LEFT OUTER JOIN CertType AS c ON a.CertType = c.CertType However, if you are intending to use aggregate functions on columns from table C, then NULLs will not be included in things like AVG() etc. In which case you will probably want to use COALESCE() to return a non-null default value (eg 0) or similar. Cheers Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "noah" <noah at tookish.net> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] SQL question : Hi Ken, : : Thanks for your help. : : At 12:21 AM 28/02/2003, you wrote: : >If a.CertType is not required, then what rows from Certtypes do you want to : >return when a.CertType is not set? : : Nothing from the CertTypes table, but I still want to return all the : records from the Gem table. The problem is that as soon as I introduce the : join between the Gem table and the CertTypes table, the query stops : returning all records in the Gem table where the CertType field is unset : (i.e., the field that I'm joining to the CertTypes table). : : >Perhaps if you could give us some sample data (a few rows from each table), : >plus what you want the expected output to be, we can help you write the : >query... : : Thanks -- it's actually quite convoluted, and I'm afraid that might further : confuse the issue (I simplified it significantly in asking my question). I : think the above explanation is better than my original one -- if not, let : me know and I'll put together the data. : : Here's the query again: : : >: SELECT * FROM Gem a, Shapes b, CertTypes c WHERE a.Shape = b.Shape AND : >: a.CertType = c.CertType AND NumberOfStones > 0 ORDER BY AverageSize : : Thanks again, : Noah : : -- : * * Please support the community that supports you. * * : http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ : : For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester : and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org : Workers of the Web, evolt ! From headlines at lists.evolt.org Fri Feb 28 00:11:01 2003 From: headlines at lists.evolt.org (Headlines) Date: Fri Feb 28 00:11:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Headlines from evolt.org for 27-FEB-03 Message-ID: <200302280610.h1S6A2Vf010315@leo.evolt.org> evolt.org headlines for 27-FEB-03 Hi evolters! We have some fresh content on evolt.org today, contributed by our members. Learn something new or review the perspective of someone else: Code: PHP frontend to ImageMagick (Author: gvtulder) http://www.evolt.org/article/headline/17/55650/index.html In this article, we will write a script to connect ImageMagick to PHP. You can then generate thumbnails and other versions of your images on-the-fly, by just editing the url. Authors really appreciate feedback from their peers; you can leave a comment and rate articles by logging into the evolt.org web site. Happy reading! evolt.org From r937 at interlog.com Fri Feb 28 00:21:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri Feb 28 00:21:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] SQL question References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227233042.018d9280@tookish.net> Message-ID: <003b01c2def1$ade780f0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > SELECT * FROM Gem a, Shapes b, CertTypes c > WHERE a.Shape = b.Shape > AND a.CertType = c.CertType > AND NumberOfStones > 0 ORDER BY AverageSize > > I need to test c.Description later in the script, hence the > a.CertType = c.CertType join. The problem is that a.CertType > is not a required field, and the above query is not returning > the records where a.CertType is not set. How can I have it return > all records, whether a.CertType is set or not? that requires a left outer join select a.foo, a.bar , IIF(ISNULL(b.Shape) , 'not set',b.Shape) as bShape , IIF(ISNULL(c.CertType) , 'not set',c.CertType) as cCertType from ( Gem a left outer join Shapes b on a.Shape = b.Shape ) left outer join CertTypes c on a.CertType = c.CertType where NumberOfStones > 0 order by AverageSize notice that the first join is parenthesized, that's a syntax requirement unique to microsoft access when a particular Gem row has no match in Shapes or CertTypes, the field from Shapes or CertTypes will be null, so the IIF and ISNULL construction (again, microsoft access syntax) will generate 'not set' instead rudy From noah at tookish.net Fri Feb 28 01:28:01 2003 From: noah at tookish.net (noah) Date: Fri Feb 28 01:28:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] SQL question In-Reply-To: <003b01c2def1$ade780f0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227233042.018d9280@tookish.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030228014303.01934e30@tookish.net> Thanks Ken and Rudy. I think it's time I bought an SQL book. Cheers, Noah <tip type="keeping copyright notices up to date"> If you have access to a scripting language, you can ensure that the copyright notice at the bottom of your pages is always up to date by including the current year from the server. For example, in PHP: <p>© 1999 - <?php echo date('Y'); ?> Acme Inc.</p> </tip> From cake at brothercake.com Fri Feb 28 02:26:01 2003 From: cake at brothercake.com (Cake) Date: Fri Feb 28 02:26:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts In-Reply-To: <001d01c2debb$455c1b30$0a00a8c0@Aleem> Message-ID: <000801c2df03$3498cbc0$0100a8c0@CHARLIE> > Alternatively you could exercise pixel perfect control and offer a JS > solution to text-resizing like http://www.wired.com does In my opinion, absolutely do not do this; pixel text is a total no-go - JS or server-side options are always nice, but should not be relied on as the only way to resize text. James From gozz at gozz.com Fri Feb 28 03:09:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Fri Feb 28 03:09:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts In-Reply-To: <000801c2df03$3498cbc0$0100a8c0@CHARLIE> Message-ID: <7334216E-4AFC-11D7-8F5F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 02:27 AM, Cake wrote: > In my opinion, absolutely do not do this; pixel text is a total no-go - > JS or server-side options are always nice, but should not be relied on > as the only way to resize text. OK. I need some clarification: at a point in the not too distant past, px text was the agreed upon way to go for cross-broser/platform continuity for font sizes; now I hear a few strong "NO px". What has changed? ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From kverens at contactjuggling.org Fri Feb 28 03:17:00 2003 From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens) Date: Fri Feb 28 03:17:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts In-Reply-To: <7334216E-4AFC-11D7-8F5F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> References: <7334216E-4AFC-11D7-8F5F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <3E5F28F2.9090502@contactjuggling.org> Erik Mattheis wrote: > OK. I need some clarification: at a point in the not too distant past, > px text was the agreed upon way to go for cross-broser/platform > continuity for font sizes; now I hear a few strong "NO px". What has > changed? I've missed out on some of this thread, so may be approaching from the wrong angle, but sizing fonts exactly based on pixels is inaccessible. On a 14" monitor with resolution 800x600, a 12px font may be acceptable, but on similar with 1280x1024, it's small. And, depending on the user's eyesight, may be impossible to read. Personally, I resize based on em or %, but I'm not a designer, so am concerned less with appearance than readability. -- Kae Verens _______\_ webworks.ie pay: www.webworks.ie _____\\__ webhosts play: www.contactjuggling.org ___\\\___ design kae: kverens.contactjuggling.org _\\\\____ code From ml at kfxdesign.net Fri Feb 28 03:27:01 2003 From: ml at kfxdesign.net (kristina) Date: Fri Feb 28 03:27:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] IE6 rendering problems (was: Re: Welcome to the "thelist" mailing list) In-Reply-To: <OFED5BA56F.A3C5F64F-ON80256CDA.005D841C@boimail.com> References: <OFED5BA56F.A3C5F64F-ON80256CDA.005D841C@boimail.com> Message-ID: <1521200561856.20030228092806@kfxdesign.net> Luke Welcome to thelist On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, at 17:01:44 [GMT +0000] Luke.Hilton at boimail.com wrote: LHbc> Just upgraded to IE6 from IE5.5 and now are LHbc> experiencing some funny syptoms with page LHbc> rendering. When previewing a page from a LHbc> fresh browser window spacer graphics that LHbc> are clear are displayed. When I say LHbc> displayed I see the outline, but beveled. LHbc> This happens on most web pages, but if you LHbc> refresh the page the problem disappears. do you have a link? More information is definitely required here... Also you would help yourself by having a more appropriate subject, as thelist is relatively high volume many members of thelist scan through the emails received by the subject line, and delete any that they are not interested in, and by doing so may have missed this message. -- hth .kristina kfxdesign.net From evolt at david.us-lot.org Fri Feb 28 03:40:01 2003 From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward) Date: Fri Feb 28 03:40:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Opening multiple widows In-Reply-To: <20030227183415.GE2774@debian> References: <002401c2de89$64efd400$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com> <01eb01c2de8c$780311d0$1e62010a@mercury> <20030227183415.GE2774@debian> Message-ID: <20030228094228.GB15253@us-lot.org> On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 01:34:15 -0500, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > Remember as of XHTML 1.0 Strict you'll have to start using Javascript. Nope, that's as of HTML 4.01 Strict. > (which is weird because it means you won't be able to load form results in > a different frame with target, you'll have to use JS...) The strict varients of HTML don't admit to the existance of frames. -- David Dorward http://david.us-lot.org/ "You cannot rewrite history, not one line." - The Doctor (Dr. Who: The Aztecs) From Luke.Hilton at boimail.com Fri Feb 28 03:41:13 2003 From: Luke.Hilton at boimail.com (Luke.Hilton at boimail.com) Date: Fri Feb 28 03:41:13 2003 Subject: [thelist] IE6 rendering problems (was: Re: Welcome to the "thelist" mailing list) Message-ID: <OFE12080E3.3E8DEFEF-ON80256CDB.0033E358@boimail.com> -- Kristina, Thanks for the advice. I'm a little new to mailing lists. I have a screen capture of a page that is experiencing the problem. See below. (Embedded image moved to file: pic04639.pcx) You will notice the spacer graphics appearing to the left of the Copy right in the footer and to the left of the Welcome message. This is what the page looks like when you open it. If you hit reload the problem usually disappears, but does regurlarly return. This is the hom epage of the Bnk Of Ireland intranet. Thought it could be just a problem internally, but the problem occurs wiht external website. Any thoughts? Regards Luke (Embedded ?Name Luke Hilton image moved to file: pic29658.gif) ?Email luke.hilton at boimail.com ?Unit Group Corporate Communications ?Phone + 353 1 604 3323 |---------+-----------------------------> | | kristina | | | <ml at kfxdesign.net>| | | Sent by: | | | thelist-admin at list| | | s.evolt.org | | | | | | | | | 28/02/2003 09:28 | | | Please respond to | | | thelist | | | | |---------+-----------------------------> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "Luke.Hilton at boimail.com on thelist" <thelist at lists.evolt.org> | | cc: | | Subject: [thelist] IE6 rendering problems (was: Re: Welcome to the "thelist" mailing list) | >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Luke Welcome to thelist On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, at 17:01:44 [GMT +0000] Luke.Hilton at boimail.com wrote: LHbc> Just upgraded to IE6 from IE5.5 and now are LHbc> experiencing some funny syptoms with page LHbc> rendering. When previewing a page from a LHbc> fresh browser window spacer graphics that LHbc> are clear are displayed. When I say LHbc> displayed I see the outline, but beveled. LHbc> This happens on most web pages, but if you LHbc> refresh the page the problem disappears. do you have a link? More information is definitely required here... Also you would help yourself by having a more appropriate subject, as thelist is relatively high volume many members of thelist scan through the emails received by the subject line, and delete any that they are not interested in, and by doing so may have missed this message. -- hth .kristina kfxdesign.net -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at MailMonitor at isismail.ie and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. 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This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ******************************************************************** -- [ pic04639.pcx was deleted, please don't send attachments with your message. ] -- [ pic29658.gif was deleted, please don't send attachments with your message. ] -- From evolt at david.us-lot.org Fri Feb 28 03:43:03 2003 From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward) Date: Fri Feb 28 03:43:03 2003 Subject: [thelist] Link Style Specification In-Reply-To: <40538.64.202.166.4.1046373939.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net> References: <20030227190012.GJ2774@debian> <40538.64.202.166.4.1046373939.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20030228094601.GC15253@us-lot.org> On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 12:25:39 -0700, djinn at darkdesigns.org wrote: > I knew about the border around images, but this border only appears because > the image is a link - like text-decoration produces an underline when the > text is a link. This whole thing is very counter-intuitive. > > And I still need to know why specifying my link colors doesn't also specify > them for the image borders which are links. It might not be intuitive, but it does make sense. When images become links they gain a border. When text becomes a link, the text changes colour. The color property alters the colour of the text. Nothing in the spec suggests that it should change the colour of anything else. If you want to change the border around an image that is inside a link: a:link img { border-color: #ffa; } etc -- David Dorward http://david.us-lot.org/ "You cannot rewrite history, not one line." - The Doctor (Dr. Who: The Aztecs) From Luke.Hilton at boimail.com Fri Feb 28 03:48:01 2003 From: Luke.Hilton at boimail.com (Luke.Hilton at boimail.com) Date: Fri Feb 28 03:48:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] IE6 rendering problems (was: Re: Welcome to the "thelist" mailing list) Message-ID: <OF88667764.C102DC3C-ON80256CDB.0034D554@boimail.com> -- Kristina, Thanks for the advice. I'm a little new to mailing lists. I have a screen capture of a page that is experiencing the problem. See below. (Embedded image moved to file: pic04639.pcx) You will notice the spacer graphics appearing to the left of the Copy right in the footer and to the left of the Welcome message. This is what the page looks like when you open it. If you hit reload the problem usually disappears, but does regurlarly return. This is the hom epage of the Bnk Of Ireland intranet. Thought it could be just a problem internally, but the problem occurs wiht external website. Any thoughts? Regards Luke (See attached file: capture.gif) (Embedded ?Name Luke Hilton image moved to file: pic22648.gif) ?Email luke.hilton at boimail.com ?Unit Group Corporate Communications ?Phone + 353 1 604 3323 |---------+-----------------------------> | | Luke.Hilton at boimai| | | l.com | | | Sent by: | | | thelist-admin at list| | | s.evolt.org | | | | | | | | | 28/02/2003 09:29 | | | Please respond to | | | thelist | | | | |---------+-----------------------------> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: thelist at lists.evolt.org | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [thelist] IE6 rendering problems (was: Re: Welcome to the "thelist" mailing list) | >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| -- Kristina, Thanks for the advice. I'm a little new to mailing lists. I have a screen capture of a page that is experiencing the problem. See below. (Embedded image moved to file: pic04639.pcx) You will notice the spacer graphics appearing to the left of the Copy right in the footer and to the left of the Welcome message. This is what the page looks like when you open it. If you hit reload the problem usually disappears, but does regurlarly return. This is the hom epage of the Bnk Of Ireland intranet. Thought it could be just a problem internally, but the problem occurs wiht external website. Any thoughts? Regards Luke (Embedded ?Name Luke Hilton image moved to file: pic29658.gif) ?Email luke.hilton at boimail.com ?Unit Group Corporate Communications ?Phone + 353 1 604 3323 |---------+-----------------------------> | | kristina | | | <ml at kfxdesign.net>| | | Sent by: | | | thelist-admin at list| | | s.evolt.org | | | | | | | | | 28/02/2003 09:28 | | | Please respond to | | | thelist | | | | |---------+-----------------------------> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "Luke.Hilton at boimail.com on thelist" <thelist at lists.evolt.org> | | cc: | | Subject: [thelist] IE6 rendering problems (was: Re: Welcome to the "thelist" mailing list) | > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Luke Welcome to thelist On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, at 17:01:44 [GMT +0000] Luke.Hilton at boimail.com wrote: LHbc> Just upgraded to IE6 from IE5.5 and now are LHbc> experiencing some funny syptoms with page LHbc> rendering. When previewing a page from a LHbc> fresh browser window spacer graphics that LHbc> are clear are displayed. When I say LHbc> displayed I see the outline, but beveled. LHbc> This happens on most web pages, but if you LHbc> refresh the page the problem disappears. do you have a link? More information is definitely required here... Also you would help yourself by having a more appropriate subject, as thelist is relatively high volume many members of thelist scan through the emails received by the subject line, and delete any that they are not interested in, and by doing so may have missed this message. -- hth .kristina kfxdesign.net -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at MailMonitor at isismail.ie and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. 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Is this a website you are working on? -- bfn .kristina kfxdesign.net From gozz at gozz.com Fri Feb 28 04:42:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Fri Feb 28 04:42:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts In-Reply-To: <3E5F28F2.9090502@contactjuggling.org> Message-ID: <5DDAFF74-4B09-11D7-8F5F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 03:16 AM, Kae Verens wrote: > sizing fonts exactly based on pixels is inaccessible. > On a 14" monitor with resolution 800x600, a 12px font may be > acceptable, > but on similar with 1280x1024, it's small. And, depending on the user's > eyesight, may be impossible to read. > > Personally, I resize based on em or %, But in all current releases of (major) browsers fonts defined as px are resizable by the browser itself, correct? ... I spent from early spring to mid-fall doing ActionScript 12+ hrs a day (and afterwards took a couple months concentrating on playing Civilization) ... when I "left" the consensus was to use px because it was the "best" thing to do to insure cross browser/platform continuity ... but now near three "yeas" in this thread for em or % over px and am wondering why ... like my current project assumes a minimum resolution ... I need to know the reasons why my info is outdated (so as to to have an educated rethink of what I've learned here before). In short, again, "Why are em / % superior to px?" ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From evolt at jeroensangers.com Fri Feb 28 05:10:01 2003 From: evolt at jeroensangers.com (Jeroen Sangers) Date: Fri Feb 28 05:10:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts References: <5DDAFF74-4B09-11D7-8F5F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <00c801c2df1a$0fb159a0$74a9a8c0@SEU.LOCAL> Erik Mattheis <gozz at gozz.com> wrote: > On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 03:16 AM, Kae Verens wrote: > In short, again, "Why are em / % superior to px?" Because em and % size the fonts relatively to the user's preferred font size. It is true that many browsers (but not all!) are able to scale px fonts, but this has to be done after the page is loaded, and in some browsers this involves digging deep in the browser's menu structure. By using em or % you have the right font size from the start. Kind regards, Jeroen Sangers www.jeroensangers.com www.fimcap.org From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Fri Feb 28 05:51:00 2003 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew) Date: Fri Feb 28 05:51:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] is this usual Message-ID: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCOEIJEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> is this a usual display for a site? http://212.137.46.1/ From kverens at contactjuggling.org Fri Feb 28 05:56:05 2003 From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens) Date: Fri Feb 28 05:56:05 2003 Subject: [thelist] is this usual In-Reply-To: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCOEIJEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> References: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCOEIJEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E5F4E44.3020408@contactjuggling.org> Andrew wrote: > is this a usual display for a site? > > http://212.137.46.1/ looks like the owner is running a script which outputs environment-type variables. the PHP equivalent is "<?=phpinfo();?>" -- Kae Verens webworks.ie pay : http://www.webworks.ie webhosts play : http://www.contactjuggling.org design kae: http://kverens.contactjuggling.org code From chris at ecleanuk.com Fri Feb 28 06:35:01 2003 From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh) Date: Fri Feb 28 06:35:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Perl loop -1 In-Reply-To: <014b01c2deea$90d09ee0$6601a8c0@transportgx> Message-ID: <000001c2df26$067afd30$d700000a@dev01> > Again my Perl skills (-x) are showing. What is the way to > change the loop below to cycle through $field and print all > of them *except* the last one? > > ################################ > foreach $field (@Field_Order) { > print "$field: $Form{$field}<br />\n"; > } > ################################ > > Obviously this is a loop to read a form page. I just > don't want the final value which is the "Submit" button. my $submit = pop @Field_Order; foreach $field (@Field_Order) { print "$field: $Form{$field}<br />\n"; } HTH Regards Chris Marsh From r937 at interlog.com Fri Feb 28 06:39:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri Feb 28 06:39:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Opening multiple widows References: <002401c2de89$64efd400$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com> <01eb01c2de8c$780311d0$1e62010a@mercury> <20030227183415.GE2774@debian> <20030228094228.GB15253@us-lot.org> Message-ID: <004901c2df26$83ea5900$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > The strict varients of HTML don't admit to the existance of frames. is that true? don't frameset dtds let you define strict frameset pages? i wouldn't know, not having used frames since 1996... rudy From PKOUTOUL at Fayette.k12.ky.us Fri Feb 28 08:02:29 2003 From: PKOUTOUL at Fayette.k12.ky.us (Koutoulas, Pete) Date: Fri Feb 28 08:02:29 2003 Subject: [thelist] dnsmadeeasy.com opinions Message-ID: <269EFA4D16B9C8408697D60BCE064411015674ED@E165000N6> On Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:21 PM, Steve Hasz wrote: > Has anyone used dnsmadeeasy.com? Comments? I need DNS services that > are reasonably priced until I grow to the point of having my own DNS > server and have been looking around. I currently use Zoneedit.com > for some of my customers, but at $5~ per domain per year, it could > get expensive. Another option is to make use of available DNS services that your registrar may provide. For example, I use discountdomainregistry.com, which includes free DNS services along with their domain registration services. So far, I have found them to be quite reliable, although admittedly I have no high bandwidth sites using their services. ZoneEdit has been rock-solid for me, and the first five sites are free. [ pete ] This student or staff email originated from Fayette County Public Schools in Lexington, KY. Please report instances of abuse or inappropriate content to postmaster at fcps.net From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Fri Feb 28 08:25:01 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Fri Feb 28 08:25:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B58@fsjubj05> > But in all current releases of (major) browsers fonts defined > as px are resizable by the browser itself, correct? No. IE (as of version 6) does not support this at all. -dave From abbey at abbeyink.com Fri Feb 28 08:46:01 2003 From: abbey at abbeyink.com (abbey) Date: Fri Feb 28 08:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts In-Reply-To: <5DDAFF74-4B09-11D7-8F5F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> References: <5DDAFF74-4B09-11D7-8F5F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <200302280858.39367.abbey@abbeyink.com> On Fri February 28 2003 4:42 am, Erik Mattheis wrote: > In short, again, "Why are em / % superior to px?" cuz a pixel is NOT a pixel -- I'm in a current running argument with a graphic designer who demands pixel-precision. He wants the web page to look exactly like it did when he mocked it up on his Mac in Photoshop. I have a 19-inch monitor, running several different browsers, resolution is at 1200 or more and his 8 px fonts are hard on my eyes in Mozilla and NN 4.+ (yea, I keep it around for some testing) -- I just can't read it. Then, there's all that extra white space from where the text should be which just further complicates my life. Fortunately, the project manager has the good sense to step in and let me use relative sizing. I don't always win, but at least I'm not losing them all. I used to use pixel definitions -- I was adamant about it. Then, I saw what it looked like on a laptop with higher resolution, then I got the bigger monitor for this machine, but the other machine has 800 res on a 15-inch monitor -- line up your pixel-defined pages on 3 different monitors and you'll learn to love relative sizing. From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Fri Feb 28 08:49:02 2003 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Fri Feb 28 08:49:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] Easy way for client to maintain online events calendar? In-Reply-To: <F170kjjJ68vMe9Ajxj40004a31f@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030228094732.017cb5e8@craftedsolutions.com> At 12:10 AM 2/28/2003, you wrote: >Greetings brilliant people. I have a client who does not know web design. >They want to be able to maintain an online calendar, on their own, and it's >something that'd need to be reliable and userfriendly. It also needs to be >not too expensive. >Thanks in advance. > >-d Not sure if it meets your "not too expensive" category, but I have found the calendar software by Brown Bear Software (www.brownbearsw.com) to be extremely flexible with a plethora (always wanted to use that word) of features. Norman www.CraftedSolutions.com From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Fri Feb 28 09:10:00 2003 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew) Date: Fri Feb 28 09:10:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] query or php with a join Message-ID: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCAEJBEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> PHP Guys & Dolls I have a sight display issue that I just need to resolve :) After a select I end up with a record = 9 but I want to display the record as the name not the value. The value was inserted as a value so I need to make a join to the original table in the query, but alas I have tried a few things without any luck. So it's the experts whom I need to help out:) The query is: $result=mysql_query("SELECT items.ItemSKU, items.ItemName, items.ItemDescription, items.PostCode, items.Category, items.CityID, items.CTelephone, items.ItemID, items.Cfax, items.Cemail, items.Caddress, items.CTown, items.Cwww FROM items WHERE CityID='$CityID' ORDER BY CityID"); while ($row = mysql_fetch_row($result)) { $City=$row['5']; } the display is: <? echo "$City"; So I need to create a query that then joing the CityID from items to the CityName in table city. Or is it the php that needs to be altered? Andrew From Jonathan.VanSchoick at ibx.com Fri Feb 28 09:13:01 2003 From: Jonathan.VanSchoick at ibx.com (VanSchoick, Jonathan) Date: Fri Feb 28 09:13:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] DreamWeaver Passive FTP...? Message-ID: <D0FBDF2C29301849A1F44D2B4944C8A9029BF3EB@m12.ibx.com> Someone asked me today about the built-in Dreamweaver FTP utility. A requirement where I work is that all FTP connections going out must be in Passive Mode. Does DWMX support that? Sorry for the kind of dumb question...I don't have a copy of DWMX to test against. Any tips of DWMX users is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jon ......................... Jonathan Van Schoick Development Specialist Corporate Communications Independence Blue Cross Philadelphia, PA http://www.ibx.com http://www.amerihealth.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and delete the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. Thank you for your compliance. From steve.cook at evitbe.com Fri Feb 28 09:22:01 2003 From: steve.cook at evitbe.com (Steve Cook) Date: Fri Feb 28 09:22:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Easy way for client to maintain online events calendar? Message-ID: <94B41EC212818F49B4F78F193DEF92D00981EE@SBS.ad.evitbe.com> This is our company's central business focus. We produce many online events calendars for companies with solutions ranging from tools that companies can use themselves, to managed solutions including booking services and selection of events to populate the calendar (popular with loyalty clubs for instance). We're based in Sweden (and currently only have a Swedish version of our company site!), however I'm a Brit myself and we have worked with international clients. If it sounds interesting drop me a line offlist and I can give you some more information about our products and services. ------------------------------------------ Steve Cook web strategist Evitbe AB 031-709 28 00 031-709 28 12 0703-13 26 31 steve.cook at evitbe.com www.evitbe.com ------------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: unruly mongrel [mailto:unrulymongrel at hotmail.com] > Sent: den 28 februari 2003 06:10 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] Easy way for client to maintain online events > calendar? > > > Greetings brilliant people. I have a client who does not > know web design. > They want to be able to maintain an online calendar, on their > own, and it's > something that'd need to be reliable and userfriendly. It > also needs to be > not too expensive. I'm assuming perhaps a PHP calendar would > work? I don't > know PHP, though. Does anyone have recommendations of perhaps online > services my client could check out, something that'd make the task of > maintaing an online events calendar relatively easy for a > non-techie? I've > googled this query, and have found options, but I'd like to > know if there > are evolters who'd recommend something specific. I trust > yall's opinion. > > Thanks in advance. > > -d From boris at bmannconsulting.com Fri Feb 28 09:24:01 2003 From: boris at bmannconsulting.com (Boris Mann) Date: Fri Feb 28 09:24:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] DreamWeaver Passive FTP...? In-Reply-To: <D0FBDF2C29301849A1F44D2B4944C8A9029BF3EB@m12.ibx.com> Message-ID: <C02050AF-4B30-11D7-9B6B-000393703A62@bmannconsulting.com> On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 10:14 AM, VanSchoick, Jonathan wrote: > > Someone asked me today about the built-in Dreamweaver FTP utility. A > requirement where I work is that all FTP connections going out must be > in > Passive Mode. Does DWMX support that? > > Sorry for the kind of dumb question...I don't have a copy of DWMX to > test > against. Any tips of DWMX users is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Jon Yup. There is a check box to enable/disable Passive Mode. From boris at bmannconsulting.com Fri Feb 28 09:44:01 2003 From: boris at bmannconsulting.com (Boris Mann) Date: Fri Feb 28 09:44:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Easy way for client to maintain online events calendar? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030228094732.017cb5e8@craftedsolutions.com> Message-ID: <A3EB35D2-4B33-11D7-9B6B-000393703A62@bmannconsulting.com> On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 09:50 AM, Norman Bunn wrote: > At 12:10 AM 2/28/2003, you wrote: >> Greetings brilliant people. I have a client who does not know web >> design. >> They want to be able to maintain an online calendar, on their own, >> and it's >> something that'd need to be reliable and userfriendly. It also needs >> to be >> not too expensive. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> -d > > Not sure if it meets your "not too expensive" category, but I have > found > the calendar software by Brown Bear Software (www.brownbearsw.com) to > be > extremely flexible with a plethora (always wanted to use that word) of > features. > > Norman > www.CraftedSolutions.com This looks like a really neat product. I'm looking for something similar to offer to clients that want to share/view each others calendars in an Intranet setting. I'd really like to offer a non-Outlook/Exchange, non-Windows server option (so it could be a hosted solution for the server, such as ScheduleOnline, which uses Intellisync as the "client" app). Ideally, cross-platform. Requirements: - server portion runs on non-Windows platform (either local Linux-based server or hosted solution) - client application that either integrates/syncs with existing app (Outlook, Mozilla, Palm, etc.) or has its own local application Anybody have some other pointers? I've also been looking at Bynari's [2] Exchange replacement options... [1] http://www.scheduleonline.com/ [2] http://www.bynari.net/ -- Boris Mann http://www.bmannconsulting.com From mark.fletcher at vtco.com Fri Feb 28 09:46:01 2003 From: mark.fletcher at vtco.com (Mark Fletcher) Date: Fri Feb 28 09:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] DreamWeaver Passive FTP...? References: <D0FBDF2C29301849A1F44D2B4944C8A9029BF3EB@m12.ibx.com> Message-ID: <001201c2df40$f1e9fd60$040000c1@beast> Hello Jonathan, Yes Dreamweaver MX does support Passive FTP. This option can be found in the category Remote Info of the Site Definition dialog box (Advanced Mode) HTH Regards Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Fletcher Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia -------------------------------------------------------------------- Weblog http://www.mark-fletcher.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "VanSchoick, Jonathan" <Jonathan.VanSchoick at ibx.com> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:14 PM Subject: [thelist] DreamWeaver Passive FTP...? > > Someone asked me today about the built-in Dreamweaver FTP utility. A > requirement where I work is that all FTP connections going out must be in > Passive Mode. Does DWMX support that? > > Sorry for the kind of dumb question...I don't have a copy of DWMX to test > against. Any tips of DWMX users is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Jon > > ......................... > Jonathan Van Schoick > Development Specialist > Corporate Communications > Independence Blue Cross > Philadelphia, PA > http://www.ibx.com > http://www.amerihealth.com > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the > use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and > may contain information that is privileged, confidential and > exempt from disclosure under applicable law. > If you have received this communication in error, please > do not distribute and delete the original message. > Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. > Thank you for your compliance. > -- > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From lists at ewe-wish.com Fri Feb 28 09:46:35 2003 From: lists at ewe-wish.com (Rachel Lam) Date: Fri Feb 28 09:46:35 2003 Subject: [thelist] Easy way for client to maintain online events calendar? References: <F170kjjJ68vMe9Ajxj40004a31f@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <03d601c2df40$aa601600$50466580@rachellam> > I have a client who does not know web design. > They want to be able to maintain an online calendar, on their own, and it's > something that'd need to be reliable and userfriendly. My church is using ltw calendar from http://calendar.codewalkers.com/ . You can see it in action at http://www.solomonsporch.com/calendar/calendar.php . It was easy to install, uses CSS for appearance, and is free. We like it a lot. -Rachel From pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com Fri Feb 28 09:50:01 2003 From: pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com (Pete Prodoehl) Date: Fri Feb 28 09:50:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Perl loop -1 In-Reply-To: <000001c2df26$067afd30$d700000a@dev01> References: <000001c2df26$067afd30$d700000a@dev01> Message-ID: <3E5F857D.1040306@cygnusinteractive.com> Of course being a purist-jerkface, I cringe at seeing that <br /> mixed in with code... Of course, a templating system is a good solution to that problem... Pete > my $submit = pop @Field_Order; > foreach $field (@Field_Order) { > print "$field: $Form{$field}<br />\n"; > } > _____________________________________________________ For more information about Cygnus Business Media, please visit our Web site at www.cygnusb2b.com From mike at saturn5.com Fri Feb 28 09:50:18 2003 From: mike at saturn5.com (Mike Migurski) Date: Fri Feb 28 09:50:18 2003 Subject: [thelist] query or php with a join In-Reply-To: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCAEJBEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> References: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCAEJBEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.52.0302280743050.3060@atari> >After a select I end up with a record = 9 but I want to display the >record as the name not the value. <snip> >The query is: > >$result=mysql_query("SELECT items.ItemSKU, items.ItemName, >items.ItemDescription, items.PostCode, items.Category, items.CityID, >items.CTelephone, items.ItemID, items.Cfax, items.Cemail, items.Caddress, >items.CTown, items.Cwww FROM items WHERE CityID='$CityID' ORDER BY >CityID"); <snip> >So I need to create a query that then joing the CityID from items to the >CityName in table city. Or is it the php that needs to be altered? Assuming you have a table city, with columns CityID and CityName, the following query should get you sorted: SELECT c.cityName, i.* FROM items AS i, city AS c WHERE i.cityID='$CityID' AND i.cityID=c.cityID ORDER BY i.cityID LIMIT 1 $row[0] should then be the city name. The rest is the rest of items, as you had it though not necessarily in the same order. The limit clause is a minor sanity check, since you only want the first row. Also, be sure to escape the $CityID variable prior to placing it in the query. --------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: http://www.saturn5.com/mike/contact.html "Freedom! Horrible, horrible freedom!" From rob.smith at THERMON.com Fri Feb 28 10:20:01 2003 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Fri Feb 28 10:20:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Session Variables are Getting Assassinated :-\ Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47F9@smtmb.tmc.local> >Please post the code that you are using. Please tell us how you are >returning to the homepage. Etc Ok, The home page has basically 4 regions. Once inside the site you can click "Change Region" or hit the back button until you're there. Each region is linked attaching ?SBUID=Region to the end of the URL. The ASP takes that and creates the famous session variable: After home page, region entry page: ----------------------------------- Dim Region Region = request.querystring("SBUID") if (Region = "Americas" or Region = "Canada" or Region = "AsiaPac" or Region = "Europe") then SBU = Region if (Region = "Americas" OR Region = "Canada") then session("SBUID") = Region elseif (Region = "AsiaPac") then SBU = "Asia Pacific" session("SBUID") = Region elseif (Region = "Europe") then SBU = "in Europe" session("SBUID") = Region end if else SBU = "Americas" session("SBUID") = "Americas" end if ...and proceeds from there. The SBU variable is a custom job for writing out the title on the region's home page. i.e. "Welcome to Company in Europe" Steps to make it break (and I've looked hard for code that would say otherwise): 1: Home Page 2: Enter Americas 3: Go somewhere in site 4: Change Region, back to home page 5: Enter Canada 6: see step 3 7: see step 4 8: Re-enter Americas 9: see step 3 BREAK! the session("SBUID") has nothing in it and the site breaks. I don't know how I can be anymore specific. I cannot give a URL as this site is not public. just see my email address for the domain name and see the working live version. Rob From lists at thinkbigideas.com Fri Feb 28 10:22:01 2003 From: lists at thinkbigideas.com (Anthony Baker) Date: Fri Feb 28 10:22:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Easy way for client to maintain online events calendar? In-Reply-To: <03d601c2df40$aa601600$50466580@rachellam> Message-ID: <001d01c2df45$8cf10b60$210110ac@BigGuy> This looks like a great piece of software -- thanks for the pointer, Rachel! By the way, does it allow one to point to specific pages for descriptions of events, rather than just launch pop-ups describing events? Just curious. Thanks, Anthony | My church is using ltw calendar from | http://calendar.codewalkers.com/ . You can see it in | action | at http://www.solomonsporch.com/calendar/calendar.php . It | was easy to install, uses CSS for appearance, and is free. We | like it a lot. | | -Rachel From lists at thinkbigideas.com Fri Feb 28 10:25:01 2003 From: lists at thinkbigideas.com (Anthony Baker) Date: Fri Feb 28 10:25:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Resizable Fonts In-Reply-To: <5DDAFF74-4B09-11D7-8F5F-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <001e01c2df45$f98d7510$210110ac@BigGuy> Hey All, Wanted to chime in on this thread, and forward you an email message I received from Douglas Bowman in response to a similar question I posed to him on the subject. As many of you may know, he was the key designer behind the Wired News redesign. Cheers, Anthony ---------------------- Originally, "px" was determined to be the most reliable across browsers (except Netscape 4 and certain versions of Opera). It's been used often by designers because it seems to give them the most absolute control over initial text size on the screen. The biggest problem with px units is actually accessibility-related. IE/Win (even up to version 6.0) does not allow type set in px to be resized. So if you happen to set type too small for a user's preference, a good majority of them using IE/Win won't be able to bump the text up in size. Em's are generally thought to be more user-friendly because they're entirely relative, and can be resized at will in any browser. The problem with em's used alone, is (again) that they're entirely relative. If they're used relative to the browser's default font size, this default size can vary in different browsers, not allowing the designer to at least predict a reliable starting type size. The general theory that I've seen floating around in our circles over the last year, is that CSS keywords (x-small, small, medium, etc...) (http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html#font-size-props) provide the most reliable method for sizing type, and still allow resizing by the user. The only issue with CSS keywords is that IE5/Win is off by one value. If you specify "small", it gets rendered too large, like "medium" would be in other compliant browsers. If you want type to be rendered at the normal "small" size, you have to specify "x-small" for IE5/Win. Thus, enter Tantek's box-model hack to save the day and correct the keyword value just for IE5/Win. Todd Fahrner wrote about this for A List Apart: http://www.alistapart.com/stories/sizematters/ In digging around a few weeks ago, I also discovered some notes from one of Zeldman's lectures he gave recently about designing with CSS. He's got a great summary which covers the same thing, albeit zeldman-style with some notes about accessibility: http://www.happycog.com/lectures/css/5.html Actually, if you've dug around my CSS files (either for Wired News or Stopdesign), hopefully you haven't found any "px" values for font-size. I tend to use a keyword and percent combo so that I don't have to constantly use that box-model hack to get the keywords right in IE5.x/Win. You notice that everywhere that hack is used, it uglies up the CSS, and requires an additional be-nice-to-Opera5 rule. I like to set the font-size using keywords just once. Then I use percent (%) or em values everywhere else to size type relatively to that one keyword size. As far as I've noticed and tested, % and em are basically identical. 1em = 100%, 2.5em = 250%, etc. For instance, on stopdesign, I set the default size for the body element to "small" (using "x-small" for IE5/Win). Then, for the Right Col or any of the header elements, I use % values as relative sizes. You have to be a little more careful using em's and % values since they're relative to the font-size of their parent element, and not of some global document size. 1.2em doesn't always mean the same size -- it just means 1.2 times the size of the parent element's font-size. For instance, you can imagine that type might get illegibly small in a nested list scenario where you've sized the list item type with em's as such: li li {font-size: .8em;} meaning that everytime a list item gets nested inside another, the type size is reduced by another 80%, until it gets too small to read. hope this helps. cheers, ..... douglas bowman http://www.stopdesign.com/ From poohbear at designshift.com Fri Feb 28 10:34:02 2003 From: poohbear at designshift.com (Sarah) Date: Fri Feb 28 10:34:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] HTML-Kit kind of flaky - will Homesite be updated? Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030228121853.00a81588@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> I really like HTML-Kit, which several thelist readers recommended to me. It has almost all of the features I want (except the search & replace, which leaves something to be desired), and it is highly customizable. The problem is that some of the customizations I have added (auto-complete definitions and keyboard shortcuts) don't always work, which has lead me to believe the program is a bit flaky. Anyway, I have been thinking of trying to convince my boss to purchase Homesite for the developers in our office, but I don't think he will go for it if Homesite will never be updated. I have heard that Macromedia has given up on Homesite in favour of Dreamweaver, and has no plans to release a new version of Homesite. Is this true? (If so, it is a very poor decision on Macromedia's part.) TIA Sarah <tip type="search tool"> Dave's Quick Search Deskbar (http://www.dqsd.net or https://sourceforge.net/projects/dqsd) is a little search window you put in your Windows taskbar; it doubles as a clock so you don't lose valuable taskbar real estate. It allows searching of many search engines, reference sites, shopping sites, etc, etc. You name it, DQSD can search it - or if it can't, you can add the search using the Search Wizard. And the folks on the mailing list are fantastic, always willing to help. I just can't say enough good things about it. It belongs in my I-don't-know-what-I-would-do-without-it category. </tip> From sgd at ti3.com Fri Feb 28 10:41:01 2003 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Fri Feb 28 10:41:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Session Variables are Getting Assassinated :-\ Message-ID: <AE9BEBC586A48B4BA47843C4148B8251A5C291@apollo.ti3.com> Is the SBUID still on the query string? Sounds like it may be missing at some point > Region = request.querystring("SBUID") > > 1: Home Page > 2: Enter Americas > 3: Go somewhere in site > 4: Change Region, back to home page > 5: Enter Canada > 6: see step 3 > 7: see step 4 > 8: Re-enter Americas > 9: see step 3 > BREAK! the session("SBUID") has nothing in it and the site breaks. > From lists at thinkbigideas.com Fri Feb 28 10:42:01 2003 From: lists at thinkbigideas.com (Anthony Baker) Date: Fri Feb 28 10:42:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] HTML-Kit kind of flaky - will Homesite be updated? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030228121853.00a81588@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> Message-ID: <002201c2df48$71f07aa0$210110ac@BigGuy> Sarah, My understanding is that it IS true that Homesite won't be updated. I used the product for years, and it was my editor of choice until I finally knuckled under and started using Dreamweaver. The only thing I use Homesite for now is to handle extended search and replaces, which I find that good old Dreamweaver doesn't do nearly as well. If I were you, I'd just go to Dreamweaver. It has a solid developer base, there are lots of resources, it's supported, and you can just go ahead and never use any of their graphical views, sticking just to the code view. Oh, and keep Homesite around for those times when you'll need it. Cheers, Anthony | Anyway, I have been thinking of trying to convince my boss to | purchase Homesite for the developers in our office, but I | don't think he will go for it if Homesite will never be | updated. I have heard that Macromedia has given up on | Homesite in favour of Dreamweaver, and has no plans to | release a new version of Homesite. Is this true? (If so, it | is a very poor decision on Macromedia's part.) | | TIA | | Sarah From Craig.Saila at bgminteractive.com Fri Feb 28 10:44:02 2003 From: Craig.Saila at bgminteractive.com (Saila, Craig) Date: Fri Feb 28 10:44:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] HTML-Kit kind of flaky - will Homesite be updated? Message-ID: <523ED78FF1F87A44A40907C74F83CBC20A4A1F30@mail.bgm.globeinteractive.com> Sarah wrote: > updated. I have heard that Macromedia has given up on > Homesite in favour of Dreamweaver, and has no plans to > release a new version of Homesite. Is this true? (If so, it > is a very poor decision on Macromedia's part.) I've heard those rumours, too. Best thing to do is let Macromedia know how you feel: <http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/cscontact/> They've been pretty attentive to customer feedback in the past. As for updating it, they recently released a dot-release, which fixes some annoying bugs: <http://www.macromedia.com/software/homesite/download/> -- Cheers, Craig Saila ------------------------------------------ craig at saila.com : http://www.saila.com/ ------------------------------------------ From rwhitener at DesignOptions.com Fri Feb 28 10:45:01 2003 From: rwhitener at DesignOptions.com (Rob Whitener) Date: Fri Feb 28 10:45:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] info on templates, XML and TLAs Message-ID: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA644556F@exmail.designoptions.com> I have been following this thread from afar and it has piqued my interest. The hosting company my organization is currently using doesn't seem to have any kind of templating functionality installed with PHP (their insatallation of PERL doesn't even support the CGI module) so I have been having to kind of roll my own templating. The system is basic. Create an HTML document, put @tags@ like these where I know I will want to insert HTML, then use preg_replace to find and replace all of the different @tags@ with HTML. Once this is done the new HTML document is saved with a different name and I use include to push it to the user. One glaring problem is the url never changes. I guess I could get around this by using a meta-tag with the include function instead of the newly generated HTML document, but I want something simpler. Now for the question: Should I explore using XML and XSL to do this templating with PHP, or modify what I have? Thanks, Rob -----Original Message----- From: Tobyn Baugher [mailto:toby at rsux.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:21 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] info on templates, XML and TLAs On Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:40 PM -0500 Emma Jane Hogbin <emmajane at xtrinsic.com> wrote: > And XSL Transformations are sexier than PHP and Perl templates, right? > (That's mostly a /rhetorical/ question.) I personally think it's silly > to use PHP and Perl templates when there's a > perfectly good XML template language out there. I'd have to disagree. While XSL is great, probably the display technology of the future, etc. it's also basically an entire programming language. Not only that, but it's a programming language that doesn't have any sort of close ancestor that lots of people are likely to know to ease the transition (ie. C/C++ -> Java/C#, Shell/sed/awk -> Perl). On the other hand, with something like Smarty or Template Toolkit, a designer can whip up a page in Dreamweaver or whatever they're familiar with in the regular old (X)HTML they know, love, and have authoring tools to help them make, and then just put things like {$text} in where the content should be. The point of XML+XSL is to separate the content from the presentation. For that it does its job very well. The point of using a templating system is to separate the coding work from the designing work, which is not something XSL is particularly adept at, at least not yet. I, personally, think both are quite "sexy" in their own ways :). Just my thoughts, Toby -- Tobyn Baugher <toby at rsux.com> http://www.rsux.com aim: dieplzkthxbye icq: 14281524 efnet: toby -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From martin at takingitglobal.org Fri Feb 28 10:45:22 2003 From: martin at takingitglobal.org (Martin Kuplens-Ewart) Date: Fri Feb 28 10:45:22 2003 Subject: [thelist] MySQL/PHP deleting a record w/radio buttons In-Reply-To: <NFBBIDGIFBJDACDGOJFCKEBPLLAA.magic32@jps.net> Message-ID: <000b01c2df48$e0316c90$6d01a8c0@martinlaptop> >I have a simple MySQL database, with 4 fields; >$idnum >$title >$poem >$pubdate > >I'd like to be able to show idnum, title, and pubdate, (along >with a radio >button) for all poems in the database. > >The user will select a radio button for appropriate peom, then >simply hit a 'delete' button, which of course will delete it >from the database. >So, can anyone point me to any tutorials/scripts/tips/etc that >might help? <input type="radio" name="idnum" value="<?=$myarray[idnum]?>"> Submit your form.... Then mysql_query("DELETE FROM $db.$table WHERE idnum = '$idnum'"); Then you can do a textbook header("Location: /original/listing.html"); From pixelmech at yahoo.com Fri Feb 28 10:48:00 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Fri Feb 28 10:48:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] HTML-Kit kind of flaky - will Homesite be updated? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030228121853.00a81588@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> Message-ID: <20030228164855.48392.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sarah <poohbear at designshift.com> wrote: > Anyway, I have been thinking of trying to convince my boss to > purchase Homesite for the developers in our office, but I don't > think he will go for it if Homesite will never be updated. I have > heard that Macromedia has given up on Homesite in favour of > Dreamweaver, and has no plans to release a new version of > Homesite. Is this true? (If so, it is a very poor decision > on Macromedia's part.) Sarah, as an avid user of HS I looked into this very issue myself. Based on MM's site, you glean the following facts: 1 - HS will not be updated soon, since they too recently released a new version. 2 - DreamweaverMX has kind of moved towards 'hand-coding' functionality, but not to the extent of HS 3 - However, MM claims they are very interested in what the hand-coding community has to say and have no plans at this time to remove HS from their product offering. Glean what you want from that, essentially don't look for an update soon, but also don't look for it to be cancelled soon. I think MM is taking a 'wait and see' approach to the product. They do care what we say because we are customers and buy the product, but there has to be, I'm sure, enough interest to make it viable. That is mostly why I'd guess they are 'interested in the needs of hand coders' etc. and claim they have a 'lot to learn' from us. I use HS in a production team environment, and I think its great. I also use it for my own consulting work at home. I'd read it for myself tho - and maybe point your boss here too. <http://www.macromedia.com/software/homesite/productinfo/faq/dw_hs_faq.html> HTH Tom ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From ml at kfxdesign.net Fri Feb 28 10:49:01 2003 From: ml at kfxdesign.net (kristina) Date: Fri Feb 28 10:49:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Re: HTML-Kit kind of flaky - will Homesite be updated? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030228121853.00a81588@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030228121853.00a81588@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> Message-ID: <991227085575.20030228165008@kfxdesign.net> Sarah, On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, at 12:38:01 [GMT -0400] Sarah wrote: S> and it is highly customizable. The problem is S> that some of the customizations I have added S> (auto-complete definitions and keyboard S> shortcuts) don't always work, which has lead me S> to believe the program is a bit flaky. have you posted any of your problems to the HTML-Kit newsgroup? As I'm sure Chami and the rest of the subscribers will be keen to help sort any problems. -- bfn .kristina kfxdesign.net From rob.smith at THERMON.com Fri Feb 28 10:58:01 2003 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Fri Feb 28 10:58:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Session Variables are Getting Assassinated :-\ Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E47FA@smtmb.tmc.local> >Is the SBUID still on the query string? Sounds like it may be missing at >some point Yes the home page resets the querystring to the new region. But from my earlier code if (Region = "Americas" or Region = "Canada" or Region = "AsiaPac" or Region = "Europe") then ...do stuff... else SBU = "Americas" session("SBUID") = "Americas" <-----------<<< end if even if the querystring was corrupt, it would still at least get something. I just did a search on my entire local site for any string that did session("SBUID") = "", but didn't find any. But somehow the session just dies after seeing something its already seen. And there's nothing out of the ordinary from the event logs on by the web server and my computer. Still baffled, Rob.Smith <tip type="Two Handed Undo" author="Rob.Smith"> If you want to try an alternative from hitting Ctr+Z for undo, try Alt+Backspace. </tip> From evolt at jeroensangers.com Fri Feb 28 11:07:03 2003 From: evolt at jeroensangers.com (Jeroen Sangers) Date: Fri Feb 28 11:07:03 2003 Subject: [thelist] HTML-Kit kind of flaky - will Homesite be updated? References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030228121853.00a81588@mail.hfx.w3internet.com> Message-ID: <005001c2df4c$075fe9b0$74a9a8c0@SEU.LOCAL> It looks like all our favourite editors are disappearing... I have heard also that HomeSite won't be developed further anymore. Two days ago, Chami wrote the following message on the chami.public.htmlkit.misc newsgroup, from which I understand that he hasn't got a lot of time to develop either... ===================================================================== Unfortunately I don't know when even a beta of the pro version will be available at this time. HTML-Kit doesn't generate enough money to cover hosting and other costs associated with it so I have to work on other things to pay the bills which of course is taking time away from developing and supporting HTML-Kit. If a particular feature you need now is not in Build 292 or not provided in one of the plugins, I'd try other editors first. TopStyle for example is a great CSS and now an HTML code editor with regular updates that may fit your needs better. There are many other editors such as Dreamweaver you could try as well but I have a little bias for shareware developers. I don't know what the final price will be for sure but it's unlikely to change that much from the current registration fee. Let me know if you have any other questions. Regards, Chami. ====================================================================== Kind regards, Jeroen Sangers www.jeroensangers.com www.fimcap.org From ben at scratchmedia.co.uk Fri Feb 28 11:21:01 2003 From: ben at scratchmedia.co.uk (Ben Hunt) Date: Fri Feb 28 11:21:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Volunteers sought for professional site reviews References: <20030228124310.88259BFF6@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <003301c2df4d$e6046a00$390c28d5@BENH> Hi, I'm posting for the first time. This message contains a few requests. <bg> I've just left a job in Boston, MA, to return home to England where I'm setting up my own web consultancy / design business. One service I'm leading with is a professional web site review, which I'm pitching around the ?250 / $375 mark. These reviews look at a web site, and a sample of its competition, from various angles: branding, design, usability, visibility. The client will get a report describing: - What's good and what needs attention - and why - Clear, practicable recommendations on what they can do to improve the product </bg> <1> I'd welcome anyone having a look at my site www.scratchmedia.co.uk, and give me your opinions on the site generally, but specifically on the expert review product. I think there's a need out there, and it's likely to prove good-value, but I'm struggling to know how best to market it. Any ideas welcome. </1> <2> I need a couple of sample reviews on the site, to show the format, style and quality of the product: the ones on there now are not representative. If anyone has a site that's live or under development, and would like a free expert review, on the condition that I have permission to publish the review on my web site, please contact me direct ben at scratchmedia.co.uk At risk of stepping over a line... if anyone has a client who may need this kind of service, please pass on details as you see fit. By prior agreement, the reports may be re-branded. </2> Thanks, Ben From pixelmech at yahoo.com Fri Feb 28 11:26:01 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Fri Feb 28 11:26:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] HTML-Kit kind of flaky - will Homesite be updated? Message-ID: <20030228172732.32187.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> Folks, Let me just re-post this link again. There is a lot of misconception that MM has stopped development of HS, and this is not a decision that MM has made at all. The following page gives a full account of what is happening with the product right now: <http://www.macromedia.com/software/homesite/productinfo/faq/dw_hs_faq.html> Don't expect an new release soon, they just released the 5.2 update, and MM version 5 is still fairly new. As they say, its too soon for an incremental upgrade. This doesn't mean its discontinued at all. [note: NO I don't work for MM] Anyway, if you like HS, seriously show your support by tossing them an email. I have, and I believe it will help if they get a pile of email that says, hey we use this and like it and want to see it continue. There is a real hole in the hand-coding world if HS goes away. I was not impressed by HTML-Kit, nor any other of the many shareware apps out there. They all have their nice features but I HS for me is tops - even above TopStyle. You know what would REALLY make HS a cracking app - integrate source safe functionality on a shared project, check in and check out. That would be great. I'm sure there are other suggestions, but I would let MM know if you are behind HS. Tom ===== >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From khallman at wrack.org Fri Feb 28 12:03:02 2003 From: khallman at wrack.org (Kelly Hallman) Date: Fri Feb 28 12:03:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] [php] Object Serialization Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302280950590.23574-100000@clove.wrack.org> How robust is PHP's serialize() function? Does anyone have any experiences serializing complex objects, shelving them to a database and then unserializing them later? Any caveats, warnings? I realize the basics, like the data must be properly protected in/out of the database and that a class must be defined before an object that references it can be unserialized.. Just wondering if I'm wasting my time contemplating this sort of approach in PHP, or if others have used it to success...? Thanks! -- Kelly Hallman http://wrack.org/ From abdullah at uxdg.com Fri Feb 28 12:05:01 2003 From: abdullah at uxdg.com (Abdullah Shaikh) Date: Fri Feb 28 12:05:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] HTML-Kit kind of flaky - will Homesite be updated? References: <20030228172732.32187.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00dc01c2df54$19d14ff0$7100a8c0@uxDell> Homesite already has Check-In / Check-Out w/ VSS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dell'Aringa" <pixelmech at yahoo.com> > You know what would REALLY make HS a cracking app - integrate source > safe functionality on a shared project, check in and check out. That > would be great. I'm sure there are other suggestions, but I would let > MM know if you are behind HS. From scotts at rci-nv.com Fri Feb 28 12:38:01 2003 From: scotts at rci-nv.com (Scott Schrantz) Date: Fri Feb 28 12:38:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] is this usual Message-ID: <D719D61D4BD8D311A26700A0C9E0E7B649EDAE@SERVER1> > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew [mailto:andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk] > > is this a usual display for a site? > > http://212.137.46.1/ It's not "usual", but as long as it's being done on purpose it's fine. It helps during development to know which server variables can be accessed by scripts. I have one just like it on my site. http://www.computer-vet.com/sv.asp <% For Each Key in Request.ServerVariables Response.Write "<p>" & Key & " : " & Request.ServerVariables(Key) & "</p>" Next %> Are you asking because it's your site and you don't know why you're getting that, or did you just stumble across it? -- Scott Schrantz work: www.rci-nv.com play: www.computer-vet.com From Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com Fri Feb 28 13:01:01 2003 From: Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com (Mark Joslyn) Date: Fri Feb 28 13:01:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] disabling reload, refresh, etc.. Message-ID: <000001c2df5b$ca4a2530$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com> Is there a way to disable all the reload, refresh, CTRL F5, F5, Back button functionality of a web browser. I want to load a page and keep the user on that specific page without them having the ability to refresh or reload (in any shape or fashion) EVER!! Is there a way (preferably in ASP or JavaScript). Thanks, markJ From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri Feb 28 13:07:00 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Fri Feb 28 13:07:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] disabling reload, refresh, etc.. In-Reply-To: <000001c2df5b$ca4a2530$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLEEBMGKAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> mark, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Mark Joslyn > > Is there a way to disable all the reload, refresh, CTRL > F5, F5, Back button functionality of a web browser. > > I want to load a page and keep the user on that specific > page without them having the ability to refresh or > reload (in any shape or fashion) EVER!! Is there a way > (preferably in ASP or JavaScript). ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< thank god, no. what you want to do is rather counter to how the web was designed to work. what's your reasoning for wanting to do this? .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Fri Feb 28 13:14:01 2003 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew) Date: Fri Feb 28 13:14:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] is this usual In-Reply-To: <D719D61D4BD8D311A26700A0C9E0E7B649EDAE@SERVER1> Message-ID: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCKEKAEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> I just stumpled across it and did think it was the php equivalent but is asp so I didn't know whether to inform the site. So I guess they know its there and there is no problems. Andrew >Subject: RE: [thelist] is this usual >Are you asking because it's your site and you don't know why you're getting >that, or did you just stumble across it? From evolt at scottbrady.net Fri Feb 28 13:35:01 2003 From: evolt at scottbrady.net (Scott Brady) Date: Fri Feb 28 13:35:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] disabling reload, refresh, etc.. References: <000001c2df5b$ca4a2530$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com> Message-ID: <025d01c2df60$a5be1eb0$597ffd0c@helix> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Joslyn" <Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com> > I want to load a page and keep the user on that specific page without them > having the ability to refresh or reload (in any shape or fashion) EVER!! Is > there a way (preferably in ASP or JavaScript). Maybe this: window.onunload = computer.turnoff(); Seriously, if you really want to piss off your users, that would be a way to do it. What is your reasoning? Scott ------------------------------------------- Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net From persist1 at io.com Fri Feb 28 13:49:01 2003 From: persist1 at io.com (Ben Henick) Date: Fri Feb 28 13:49:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Research: WYSIWYG and output filesize Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302281347230.4637-100000@eris.io.com> The Subject line says it all - can someone suggest some pages that give solid data on tests conducted to compare pages identical and layout but produced by various WYSIWYG's and by hand? I know results of this sort were published and got wide circulation sometime late last year, but I cannot find that citation to save my life. Argh. Hell, my ALA article (written 2yrs ago and without hard numbers) turns up in my searches before data recent enough to justify use. Help! TIA -- Ben Henick "In the long run, men hit only what they aim Web Author At-Large at. Therefore, though they should fail http://www.io.com/persist1/ immediately, they had better aim high." persist1 at io.com -- Henry David Thoreau From morgan at morgankelsey.com Fri Feb 28 14:30:01 2003 From: morgan at morgankelsey.com (Morgan Kelsey) Date: Fri Feb 28 14:30:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] is this usual References: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCKEKAEPAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk> Message-ID: <001f01c2df65$2a01d7d0$6801a8c0@jakibyard> andrew, > I just stumpled across it and did think it was the php equivalent but is asp so > I didn't know whether to inform the site. > > So I guess they know its there and there is no problems. > some of that data is a little sensitive though. revealing the physical file structure, decalring the OS, web server name and version number, etc etc all these items are little security clues that a rambunctious script-kiddie would be copying and pasting to a text file. it's best to not display that info on a live site. nagrom http://morgankelsey.com From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Fri Feb 28 14:36:00 2003 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Fri Feb 28 14:36:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] is this usual Message-ID: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B62@fsjubj05> > revealing the physical file structure, decalring the OS, web > server name and version number, etc etc > <snip/> >http://morgankelsey.com Well, now I just couldn't resist this one. :p http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A//morgankelsey.com/ Yes, your point about file structure is very true, but the other info is, well, you can see it above. :) -dave From evolt at goonies.info Fri Feb 28 14:49:01 2003 From: evolt at goonies.info (Minh Lee Goon) Date: Fri Feb 28 14:49:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Limited access to server via RDS Message-ID: <001801c2df6a$fc9b5180$1582d889@sdstate.edu> I have a user who would like to connect to the CF server using RDS. I would give him the access he needs (keyword: NEEDS), but I don't know how to keep him out of the folders and data sources that do not belong to him. How do I separate his access? Has anyone had to do this before? Any information would be helpful. I am currently running CF5 Enterprise Edition. Please help. Thanks. http://www.goonies.info/ Not the film. The family. From joshua at waetech.com Fri Feb 28 14:56:16 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri Feb 28 14:56:16 2003 Subject: [thelist] Limited access to server via RDS References: <001801c2df6a$fc9b5180$1582d889@sdstate.edu> Message-ID: <000701c2df6b$f0ab7b60$0300a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Minh Lee Goon" <evolt at goonies.info> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:50 PM > I have a user who would like to connect to the CF server using RDS. I would > give him the access he needs (keyword: NEEDS), but I don't know how to keep > him out of the folders and data sources that do not belong to him. > > How do I separate his access? Has anyone had to do this before? Any > information would be helpful. > > I am currently running CF5 Enterprise Edition. Please help. Thanks. Minh, Unfortunately there is nothing Enterprise about RDS for CF. My experience has been that granting RDS to a user ALWAYS gives them full exposer to the computer. I'd recommend not giving it to someone unless you trust them 100%. -joshua From toby at rsux.com Fri Feb 28 15:29:01 2003 From: toby at rsux.com (Tobyn Baugher) Date: Fri Feb 28 15:29:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] info on templates, XML and TLAs In-Reply-To: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA644556F@exmail.designoptions.com> References: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA644556F@exmail.designoptions .com> Message-ID: <57265223.1046449815@[192.168.0.4]> On Friday, February 28, 2003 11:50 AM -0500 Rob Whitener <rwhitener at DesignOptions.com> wrote: > I have been following this thread from afar and it has piqued my > interest. The hosting company my organization is currently using > doesn't seem to have any kind of templating functionality installed > with PHP (their insatallation of PERL doesn't even support the CGI > module) so I have been having to kind of roll my own templating. Your hosting company doesn't need to install a template library with PHP. If you use Smarty (which is, IMHO, by far the best one) you just put the Smarty directory somewhere you can find it and then include/require the Smarty.class.php file. Smarty is so fast and mature I would recommend using it over a homegrown templating system every time. The only real reason to write your own is if you're curious and want to learn how to make one. You can use XML+XSLT to get the same kind of functionality provided you and everyone else who's working on the site know XSLT. If you want to see near the same levels of performance, though, you're going to need to write some sort of caching system to save the transformed documents. Smarty compiles templates into PHP script so that every run after the first is as fast as including a PHP file, kind of like how JSPs are compiled to Servlets. Transforming XML for every request without caching somewhere is going to be a *lot* slower. Unless I had some secondary reason for wanting to use it (ie. already have a lot of my data in XML, boss says I have to, lots of in-house XSLT expertise), OR my site was mostly static information that didn't change a whole lot (for easy caching) I probably wouldn't be using XML+XSLT. That's just my US$0.02 Oh, and if your hosting company doesn't have CGI.pm they need to get their act together ;). Regards, Toby -- Tobyn Baugher <toby at rsux.com> http://www.rsux.com aim: dieplzkthxbye icq: 14281524 efnet: toby From lakeridge_jim at hotmail.com Fri Feb 28 15:33:01 2003 From: lakeridge_jim at hotmail.com (Jim Williamson) Date: Fri Feb 28 15:33:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] DHTML Message-ID: <F135gXOoE4zyYJOGESS0000110e@hotmail.com> I'm building a site and need to put a DHTML navigation system on it. How do you professionals accomplish this task? Do you: a) use a code generation tool? b) hand code? c) copy a pre-existing menu system? If you use a code generation tool, which one do you prefer? If you hand code, is there a particular book or site that explains this pretty well. If you use a pre-exisiting menu system, can it be used freely by others. TIA _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From evolt at protocol0.com Fri Feb 28 15:33:37 2003 From: evolt at protocol0.com (gabriel rivera) Date: Fri Feb 28 15:33:37 2003 Subject: [thelist] is this usual In-Reply-To: <ECB7A22A08CFDF41A2B9BE3F903725C6200B62@fsjubj05> Message-ID: <BA854011.2C5F%evolt@protocol0.com> > http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A//morgankelsey.com/ > > Yes, your point about file structure is very true, but the other info is, > well, you can see it above. :) To clarify, this info is in the http header for all to see. (OS/web server software, etc). Security through obscurity is no security at all. Skript kiddies and their ilk have no trouble determining this info, and there's far more robust tools than netcraft in the wild for gathering this information. The big red flag with outputting all this environment info, via phpinfo(), looping through Request.ServerVariables, etc, is that the information provided is far more sensitive that what's available in the header. Also, there's nothing more embarrassing than google caching the output of phpinfo(), or a bad database query that writes the db connection info out to the client. http://www.google.com/search?q=phpinfo I think the best practice is to deploy these sort of testing scripts behind some sort of authentication layer only. -gabriel From toby at rsux.com Fri Feb 28 15:39:00 2003 From: toby at rsux.com (Tobyn Baugher) Date: Fri Feb 28 15:39:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] [php] Object Serialization In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302280950590.23574-100000@clove.wrack.org> References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302280950590.23574-100000@clove.wrack.org> Message-ID: <57890141.1046450440@[192.168.0.4]> On Friday, February 28, 2003 10:02 AM -0800 Kelly Hallman <khallman at wrack.org> wrote: > How robust is PHP's serialize() function? Does anyone have any > experiences serializing complex objects, shelving them to a database > and then unserializing them later? Never stored the serialized data in a database, but I've never had any trouble storing it in a file. It's worked just fine with everything I've thrown at it. Just don't try to serialize resources (file handles, DB connections) and you should be just fine. Make sure you escape the data before storing it in a database with addslashes() or whatever your database library provides. Regards, Toby -- Tobyn Baugher <toby at rsux.com> http://www.rsux.com aim: dieplzkthxbye icq: 14281524 efnet: toby From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Fri Feb 28 15:41:01 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Fri Feb 28 15:41:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] info on templates, XML and TLAs In-Reply-To: <57265223.1046449815@[192.168.0.4]> References: <31969A583144D2119A060008C79C3AA644556F@exmail.designoptions.com> <57265223.1046449815@[192.168.0.4]> Message-ID: <20030228214115.GC2659@debian> On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 04:30:15PM -0500, Tobyn Baugher wrote: > XML+XSLT. That's just my US$0.02 Which is worth like $4 Canadian. ;) You mentioned static pages somewhere in the post that I deleted. That's what I'm aiming for...editing is done in a database and then the database outputs XML files when a user says "publish." I may need to rethink the next step a bit as I was just going to do transformations on request (with XSLT) ... but maybe transformations should happen at publish time as well. I'm really torn between storing versions of content in a database table vs. trying to do the www.Twiki.org trick of running content through a CVS to track versions/updates. More things to consider. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From Ron.Luther at hp.com Fri Feb 28 15:47:01 2003 From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Fri Feb 28 15:47:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Session Variables are Getting Assassinated :-\ Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A0602F4BCF1@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Hi Rob, Total shot in the dark here ... do you, bychance, have any kind of uniqueness test to make sure two users aren't on the same session? If you did then: 1) The initial [user token + 'Americas'] would be okay. 2) The change to [user token + 'Europe'] would be okay. 3) The change back to [user token + 'Americas'] could trip a collision error since that "step one" session was never closed. Sorry - best guess I got this afternoon. HTH, RonL. From kevination at suchsmallhands.com Fri Feb 28 16:24:00 2003 From: kevination at suchsmallhands.com (kevin D. white) Date: Fri Feb 28 16:24:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] disabling reload, refresh, etc.. In-Reply-To: <000001c2df5b$ca4a2530$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com> References: <000001c2df5b$ca4a2530$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com> Message-ID: <3E5FE2C1.5030604@suchsmallhands.com> Mark Joslyn wrote: > Is there a way to disable all the reload, refresh, CTRL F5, F5, Back button > functionality of a web browser. > > I want to load a page and keep the user on that specific page without them > having the ability to refresh or reload (in any shape or fashion) EVER!! Is > there a way (preferably in ASP or JavaScript). > > Thanks, > > markJ > Sounds like you are trying to solve a design or back-end technical problem by restricting the user's options. There's probably a much better way to solve your real problem. Would you mind giving a more detailed description of the problem? -- --- kevin D. white im, simplecypher --- -- From chris at activeinterface.com Fri Feb 28 18:18:00 2003 From: chris at activeinterface.com (Chris Harrington) Date: Fri Feb 28 18:18:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Easy way for client to maintain online events calendar? In-Reply-To: <F170kjjJ68vMe9Ajxj40004a31f@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030228185930.0282e2f8@pop.mail.yahoo.com> For a free on-line events calendar, they can use cancellations.com. I am partial to it since I wrote it. If you want your own installation, drop me an email. Chris At 05:10 AM 2/28/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Greetings brilliant people. I have a client who does not know web design. >They want to be able to maintain an online calendar, on their own, and it's >something that'd need to be reliable and userfriendly. It also needs to be >not too expensive. I'm assuming perhaps a PHP calendar would work? I don't >know PHP, though. Does anyone have recommendations of perhaps online >services my client could check out, something that'd make the task of >maintaing an online events calendar relatively easy for a non-techie? I've >googled this query, and have found options, but I'd like to know if there >are evolters who'd recommend something specific. I trust yall's opinion. > >Thanks in advance. > >-d >i am a magical being, take off your bra > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > >-- >* * Please support the community that supports you. * * >http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > >For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and >archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! Chris Harrington chris at activeinterface.com From dbindel at austin.rr.com Fri Feb 28 19:00:01 2003 From: dbindel at austin.rr.com (David Bindel) Date: Fri Feb 28 19:00:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Best source for Freelancing Projects Message-ID: <000201c2df8e$13e24060$0301a8c0@DAVID> I've been doing web development for six years now, but most of the projects I have done have been for friends (i.e. FREE) or for low-paying small businesses. In the last week I've realized just how much I need money (primarily for a car), so I have done quite a bit of reading on freelancing, and I need to break out of the low-paying class of jobs and get some *real* projects under my belt. For all you freelancers out there, what I'm wondering is which are the best websites for freelancers to find good jobs at? I'm currently posting my resume and applying for freelancing projects on www.Guru.com, but what are some other sources for jobs? I've tried using Monster.com and a few of the other big ones out there, but frankly, they all seem bloated, over-rated, and a little over my head. From my very limited experience (four days now), Guru.com has been my favorite job searching tool yet because of its simplicity and ease of use. Any other suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks in advance, David Bindel From mark at markgroen.com Fri Feb 28 20:12:00 2003 From: mark at markgroen.com (Mark Groen) Date: Fri Feb 28 20:12:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Volunteers sought for professional site reviews In-Reply-To: <003301c2df4d$e6046a00$390c28d5@BENH> Message-ID: <3E5FA6A4.26235.1F39D2@localhost> On February 28, 2003 at 17:20, Ben Hunt wrote: > pitching around the ?250 / $375 mark. I do site reviews for free because it leads to another client about 99.9% of the time. I suppose I could do a couple site reviews every week for $, then not have to build any actual sites myself... but doubt that I could get that many people wanting such a service at that cost. > These reviews look at a web site, and a sample of its competition, > from > various angles: > I'd welcome anyone having a look at my site www.scratchmedia.co.uk, You are offering *Professional* site reviews at $375 and then in the next breath are asking for volunteers to review your own site? LOL! Regards, Mark Groen MG Web Services Web Site Hosting and Development www.markgroen.com mark at markgroen.com 604-780-6917 From gravyface at bmfsquad.com Fri Feb 28 20:15:01 2003 From: gravyface at bmfsquad.com (GravyFace) Date: Fri Feb 28 20:15:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion -- looping records in 3 columns Message-ID: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFOEIKCAAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com> without having to write 3 separate queries, is there anyway to continue looping the output of a query to three <td>'s (columns)? Lets says there are 9 records returned by the query but I want to output 3 records in the first <td>, 3 in the second, and the last 3 in the third. Is there anyway to set a record limit condition in the loop? I hope I'm clear enough. Thanks in advance! From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Fri Feb 28 20:29:00 2003 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Fri Feb 28 20:29:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion -- looping records in 3 columns In-Reply-To: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFOEIKCAAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com> Message-ID: <003801c2df9a$7daf8e10$1503a8c0@autolycus> Without the limiting to three--I did this last week. How are you going to determine which 3? Will it always be the first three? Or will that change from time to time? If it's going to change, you'll probably want to determine if you need a checkbox or some other way (actually, I can't imagine why you wouldn't simply update all). Here's what I did: I had a unique identifier (commentID) that was different for each record on my page. I appended that to each field that did not have a unique identifier (commentName_#commentID#) so each record would have unique values. When I performed my update, I looped through based upon the commentID and would then update each value. Let me know if you need to see the code--I certainly did before I got it. Russ > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of GravyFace > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 8:16 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion -- looping records in 3 columns > > > without having to write 3 separate queries, is there anyway > to continue > looping the output of a query to three <td>'s (columns)? > Lets says there are 9 records returned by the query but I > want to output 3 > records in the first <td>, 3 in the second, and the last 3 in > the third. > > Is there anyway to set a record limit condition in the loop? > > I hope I'm clear enough. > > Thanks in advance! > > > -- > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From joshua at waetech.com Fri Feb 28 20:42:01 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri Feb 28 20:42:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion -- looping records in 3 columns References: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFOEIKCAAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com> Message-ID: <018201c2df9c$3ab2e510$0300a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "GravyFace" <gravyface at bmfsquad.com> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:16 PM > without having to write 3 separate queries, is there anyway to continue > looping the output of a query to three <td>'s (columns)? > Lets says there are 9 records returned by the query but I want to output 3 > records in the first <td>, 3 in the second, and the last 3 in the third. Dear Mr. GravyFace, Here's what I would do. Take the total record count and divide it by 3. Output the first 1/3 of the records into a div. Set it's width to 33% and float it left. Output the next 1/3 of the records into a div. Set it's width to 33% and float it left. Output the last 1/3 of the records into a final div. Set it's width to 33% and float it left. That's it. > Is there anyway to set a record limit condition in the loop? Most scripting languages let you loop through the recordsets manually. What platform/language are you on? -joshua From r937 at interlog.com Fri Feb 28 20:56:00 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri Feb 28 20:56:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion -- looping records in 3 columns References: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFOEIKCAAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com> Message-ID: <002701c2df9e$354471a0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > Lets says there are 9 records returned by the query but I want to output 3 > records in the first <td>, 3 in the second, and the last 3 in the third. there are several ways to approach this > Is there anyway to set a record limit condition in the loop? i would just start the table, start the row, and then use a plain cfoutput, with the following inside it set cell counter to 0 start the cell set record counter to 0 print record if record counter = 3 close cell set record counter to 0 else add 1 to record counter endif if cell counter = 3 close row set cell counter to 0 else add 1 to cell counter endif there's probably a couple of holes in the above code, i am sure of it but you get the basic idea there's one real "gotcha" in this type of logic, and i have not handled it -- how do you know when you've done the last record? because at that point, you have to close the cell, and then the row, and then the table you could borrow someone's code, but you'll feel so much better if you figure it out for yourself it's really not that hard rudy From joshua at waetech.com Fri Feb 28 21:07:01 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri Feb 28 21:07:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion -- looping records in 3 columns References: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFOEIKCAAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com> <018201c2df9c$3ab2e510$0300a8c0@client1> Message-ID: <01c001c2df9f$9f4fdac0$0300a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Olson" <joshua at waetech.com> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:42 PM > > Is there anyway to set a record limit condition in the loop? > > Most scripting languages let you loop through the recordsets manually. What > platform/language are you on? Er, uh, I think I owe a tip. (he says as he glances at the subject line) <tip type="Learning Regex" author="Joshua Olson"> I recently downloaded the free version of ISAPI_Rewrite and found that it now comes packaged with a RegEx tester. A sweet little tool that has immensely helped me pick up on regular expressions quickly since I can get instant feedback when I'm playing around. Also, the manual (html doc) that comes with the software is a really good intro to regular expressions. </tip> -joshua From morgan at morgankelsey.com Fri Feb 28 21:11:01 2003 From: morgan at morgankelsey.com (Morgan Kelsey) Date: Fri Feb 28 21:11:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion -- looping records in 3 columns References: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFOEIKCAAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com> Message-ID: <001d01c2dfa0$3fc8a270$6401a8c0@jakibyard> gravyface, > without having to write 3 separate queries, is there anyway to continue > looping the output of a query to three <td>'s (columns)? > Lets says there are 9 records returned by the query but I want to output 3 > records in the first <td>, 3 in the second, and the last 3 in the third. > > Is there anyway to set a record limit condition in the loop? > from my .jeff snippet collection.... <cfset currentrow = 1> <cfset records = YourQuery.recordcount> <cfset columns = 2> <cfset rows = Ceiling(records / columns)> <cfif Ceiling(records / (columns - 1)) EQ rows> <cfset columns = columns - 1> </cfif> <cfif columns GT records> <cfset columns = records> </cfif> <cfoutput> <table border="0" width="100%"> <cfloop from="1" to="#rows#" index="row"> <cfset currentrow = 1> <tr> <cfloop from="1" to="#columns#" index="column"> <cfset currentrow = 1> <cfset currentrow = (row - 1) + column> <cfif column GT 1> <cfset currentrow = (rows * (column - 1)) + row> </cfif> <td valign="top" width="#Val(100 / columns)#%"> <cfif column EQ columns AND currentrow GT records> <cfelse> #YourQuery.YourField[currentrow]# </cfif> </td> </cfloop> </tr> </cfloop> </table> </cfoutput> hth, nagrom http://morgankelsey.com From joshua at waetech.com Fri Feb 28 21:37:01 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri Feb 28 21:37:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion -- looping records in 3 columns References: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFOEIKCAAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com> Message-ID: <01e701c2dfa3$e1feca30$0300a8c0@client1> I whipped up some code for handling the columns in CF: <cfset form.columns = "5"> <cfquery name="get_cities" datasource="sample" dbtype="OLEDB"> SELECT city FROM tableofcities </cfquery> <cfset checkpoints = ArrayNew(1)> <cfloop index="col" from="1" to="#form.columns#"> <cfset checkpoints[col] = "0"> </cfloop> <cfset width = Int(100 / form.columns) & "%"> <cfset col = "1"> <div style="width: 100%;"> <cfoutput query="get_cities"> <cfif currentrow IS "1"> <div style="float: left; padding: 15px; width: #width#"> </cfif> <cfif currentrow GT (recordcount * col / form.columns) AND NOT checkpoints[col]> </div> <div style="float: left; padding: 15px; width: #width#"> <cfset checkpoints[col] = "1"> <cfset col = col + "1"> </cfif> #city#<br /> <cfif currentrow IS recordcount> </div> </cfif> </cfoutput> </div> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just change the form.columns value to change the number of displayed columns. HTH, -joshua From r937 at interlog.com Fri Feb 28 21:42:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri Feb 28 21:42:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion -- looping records in 3 columns References: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFOEIKCAAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com> <001d01c2dfa0$3fc8a270$6401a8c0@jakibyard> Message-ID: <001301c2dfa4$bc7526a0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> morgan, your code does not print three records in the same cell and then on to the next cell that was the original question and what does this pair of commands do > <cfset currentrow = 1> > <cfset currentrow = (row - 1) + column> seems like the first of these is not necessary always look gift code in the mouth, eh ;o) From joshua at waetech.com Fri Feb 28 21:54:01 2003 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri Feb 28 21:54:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion -- looping records in 3 columns References: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFOEIKCAAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com> <01e701c2dfa3$e1feca30$0300a8c0@client1> Message-ID: <01fb01c2dfa6$379e1f70$0300a8c0@client1> Just thought I'd show the code I posted in action: http://concepts.waetech.com/three_columns/index.cfm -joshua From aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca Fri Feb 28 22:10:00 2003 From: aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca (Aleem Bawany) Date: Fri Feb 28 22:10:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] mysql: unique constraing and null default Message-ID: <003d01c2dfa0$547bb4f0$0a00a8c0@Aleem> I have an email entry field, which is optional and hence can be left blank. I want the field to be unique so no two users can have dupes, but I want them to be able to leave it blank so the field can be null and the default is null. I can't impose a unique constraint, however, because then two rows can't be empty (then they'll be dupes). What should I do? (this sql biz is no fun) aleem [ http://aleembawany.com/ ] From aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca Fri Feb 28 22:26:00 2003 From: aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca (Aleem Bawany) Date: Fri Feb 28 22:26:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Research: WYSIWYG and output filesize In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302281347230.4637-100000@eris.io.com> Message-ID: <003e01c2dfa2$988675c0$0a00a8c0@Aleem> > I know results of this sort were published and got wide > circulation sometime late last year, but I cannot find > that citation to save my life. Argh. Hell, my ALA article > (written 2yrs ago and without hard numbers) turns up in my > searches before data recent enough to justify use. Maybe i'm not understanding correctly, but in any case, you can use google's advanced search to search pages updated within the last x months (and edit the url query string yourself to bring it down to 1 month). aleem [ http://aleembawany.com/ ] From headlines at lists.evolt.org Sat Mar 1 00:11:01 2003 From: headlines at lists.evolt.org (Headlines) Date: Sat Mar 1 00:11:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Headlines from evolt.org for 28-FEB-03 Message-ID: <200303010610.h216A1p4028566@leo.evolt.org> evolt.org headlines for 28-FEB-03 Hi evolters! We have some fresh content on evolt.org today, contributed by our members. Learn something new or review the perspective of someone else: Reviews & Links: Poodle Predictor - See your site like Google does (Author: www_richardinfo_com) http://www.evolt.org/article/headline/12/55157/index.html One of the challenges a webmaster faces when designing a site, is getting it well-placed in the search-engines. There is many a site stuck with an ugly Google listing, because the designer didn't realise search-engines don't use Javascript, or cookies, for instance. Poodle Predictor can help. Site Development: Permission-based Content Notifications in Plone (Author: MartinB) http://www.evolt.org/article/headline/20/57758/index.html Many sites need to be able to announce new content to their registered users. Wouldn't it be good if they did so only when the users have given them permission to do so and the content was genuinely of interest to each recipient? Here's a system for doing just that, using the Plone/Zope CMS. Authors really appreciate feedback from their peers; you can leave a comment and rate articles by logging into the evolt.org web site. Happy reading! evolt.org From jeff at members.evolt.org Sat Mar 1 05:27:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Sat Mar 1 05:27:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion -- looping records in 3 columns In-Reply-To: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFOEIKCAAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLAEEEGKAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> gravyface (?!), ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: GravyFace > > without having to write 3 separate queries, is there > anyway to continue looping the output of a query to > three <td>'s (columns)? Lets says there are 9 records > returned by the query but I want to output 3 records in > the first <td>, 3 in the second, and the last 3 in the > third. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< depending on the order you want the data output, this can either be easy or difficult. you have two options: left-to-right/top-to-bottom (easy) ------------- | 1 | 2 | 3 | ------------- | 4 | 5 | 6 | ------------- | 7 | 8 | 9 | ------------- <table> <tr> <cfoutput query="myquery"> <td>#currentrow#</td> <cfif currentrow NEQ recordcount AND NOT currentrow MOD 3> </tr> <tr> </cfif> </cfoutput> </tr> </table> word of advice with this version though, the code above doesn't account for times when the total number of records returned is not divisible by 3. top-to-bottom/left-to-right (hard) ------------- | 1 | 4 | 7 | ------------- | 2 | 5 | 8 | ------------- | 3 | 6 | 9 | ------------- easier to show than to try to copy/paste the code here and explain http://www.jeffhowden.com/code/coldfusion/paged_column_output.cfm ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > Is there anyway to set a record limit condition in > the loop? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< sure, take a look at startrow/endrow attributes if you're using the <cfloop> tags or startrow/maxrows attributes if you're using the <cfoutput> tags. good luck, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From r937 at interlog.com Sat Mar 1 06:50:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat Mar 1 06:50:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion -- looping records in 3 columns References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLAEEEGKAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <001e01c2dff1$46ee2600$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> http://concepts.waetech.com/three_columns/index.cfm this is gorgeous a form that posts the number of columns back to itself the code was a bit tricky for me to understand (good thing you kept it simple, eh) a "checkpoints" array determines when to start a new column -- <cfif currentrow GT (recordcount * col / form.columns) AND NOT checkpoints[col]> </div> <div style="float: left; padding: 5px; width: #width#;"> <cfset checkpoints[col] = "1"> <cfset col = col + "1"> </cfif> columns are divs, not tables or table cells very nice job, joshua http://www.jeffhowden.com/code/coldfusion/paged_column_output.cfm this is even gorgeouser right off the bat, a structure (i'm in deep water already, eh) <table border="0" width="100%"> <cfloop from="#url.startrow#" to="#Val(url.startrow + paged_column_output.rows - 1)#" index="paged_column_output.row"> <tr> <cfloop from="1" to="#paged_column_output.columns#" index="paged_column_output.column"> <cfif paged_column_output.column GT 1> <cfset paged_column_output.currentrow = (paged_column_output.rows * (paged_column_output.column - 1)) + paged_column_output.row> maybe it's me but the long structure name really gets in the way still, i really like how the query result set is just another of the elements in the structure that's beautiful that means your code can concentrate on row and column logic which means you could make it portable, like a function or something plug it in wherever you need columnar output the possibilities are endless... also, incorporating a paging variable, url.startrow, is cool you guys have both done a great job thanks for sharing your code i don't know which one to steal jeff, the way your code box is styled gave me a shiver it reminded me of an editor i once had a terrifying experience with cfstudio, i think it was called ;o) From r937 at interlog.com Sat Mar 1 07:02:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat Mar 1 07:02:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion code generator References: <770F9B1D8D948449A4538B772CB79EB22144E3@UsaWvMS04.opbu.xerox.com> Message-ID: <003901c2dff2$f620f570$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> one of these days i simply must read up on web services why would i want a code generator as a web service? can't i just bookmark your page and come back to it, michael? anyhow, here's my a small modification of your sample code -- "COLUMNNAME","DATATYPE","ISFK","ISPK","LENGTH","TABLENAME", "id","int","false","true","","localTable", "fname","varchar","false","false","100","localTable", "lname","varchar","false","false","100","localTable", "catid","int","true","false","","localTable", "id","int","false","true","","foreignTable", "descr","varchar","false","false","20","foreignTable", the part that is not clear to visitors is whether that first line needs to be in there or not, and whether the trailing comma isn't really a typo but your sample code runs, and my slight modification won't thought i'd let you know contact me offlist if you want me to do additional testing nice job rudy From lead at offlead.com Sat Mar 1 07:29:01 2003 From: lead at offlead.com (Jeniffer C. Johnson) Date: Sat Mar 1 07:29:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] putting a website onto cd/dvd Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20030301072907.019f44a8@www.offlead.com> I don't know if this is possible or not. I'm interested in taking a website and dropping it onto CD. Better yet, I'd LIKE to be able to drop it onto DVD, and actually have it run for someone without a browser on a computer. In other words, is it possible, through some magic application, to turn the files of a website into an executable of sorts, that launches when you play a dvd, and which becomes navigable using the remote control buttons like a "real" dvd? (Think photo album, of sorts, and wanting to transfer that into something that can be sent out to the relatives to enjoy without them having to log onto the web.) TIA, Jeniffer From r937 at interlog.com Sat Mar 1 07:52:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat Mar 1 07:52:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] mysql: unique constraing and null default References: <003d01c2dfa0$547bb4f0$0a00a8c0@Aleem> Message-ID: <001401c2dff9$d9950cf0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > What should I do? (this sql biz is no fun) take up a career with no exposure to sql? ;o) the answer in this case is easy -- go ahead and use a unique constraint which, according to the standard, will allow multiple nulls see http://tinyurl.com/6nu1 as always, when in doubt, test i'm happy to report that it does work in mysql -- create table testuniquemultnulls ( id smallint auto_increment , col1 varchar(3) not null , col2 varchar(3) null , primary key (id) , unique (col2) ); insert into testuniquemultnulls ( col1, col2 ) values ( 'foo' , 'aaa' ) , ( 'foo' , 'bbb' ) , ( 'foo' , 'ccc' ) , ( 'foo' , null ) , ( 'foo' , 'ddd' ) ; select * from testuniquemultnulls ; id col1 col2 1 foo aaa 2 foo bbb 3 foo ccc 4 foo NULL 5 foo ddd insert into testuniquemultnulls ( col1, col2 ) values ( 'bar' , null ) ; select * from testuniquemultnulls ; id col1 col2 1 foo aaa 2 foo bbb 3 foo ccc 4 foo NULL 5 foo ddd 6 bar NULL insert into testuniquemultnulls ( col1, col2 ) values ( 'fap' , 'ccc ' ) ; MySQL said: Duplicate entry 'ccc' for key 2 From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk Sat Mar 1 09:14:01 2003 From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford) Date: Sat Mar 1 09:14:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] putting a website onto cd/dvd In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20030301072907.019f44a8@www.offlead.com> Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAKEAEMKAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk> > I don't know if this is possible or not. I'm interested in > taking a website > and dropping it onto CD. Better yet, I'd LIKE to be able to > drop it onto > DVD, and actually have it run for someone without a browser > on a computer. > In other words, is it possible, through some magic > application, to turn the > files of a website into an executable of sorts, that launches > when you play > a dvd, and which becomes navigable using the remote control > buttons like a > "real" dvd? (Think photo album, of sorts, and wanting to > transfer that into > something that can be sent out to the relatives to enjoy without them > having to log onto the web.) > > TIA, > Jeniffer You might be able to do this by making an AVI of your web site and creating a VCD. But I don't think you'll get to the point where it will work like a DVD movie in a DVD player. In case you lower your sights a bit and go for the "website on a CD to be browsed on a PC option", this should prove useful: http://www.phdcc.com/spy-cd/cdroms.htm HTH Tony From steve at roatanet.com Sat Mar 1 09:16:00 2003 From: steve at roatanet.com (Steve Hasz) Date: Sat Mar 1 09:16:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Mapserver In-Reply-To: <003e01c2dfa2$988675c0$0a00a8c0@Aleem> Message-ID: <OPEMLGJPOGBINEHIIKECIEDFFHAA.steve@roatanet.com> Dear Group, Has anyone ever installed Mapserver on a VPS? http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/ Any warnings or advice? I'm planning to install it on a Verio VPS. Best, Steve www.roatanet.com - Visitors Guide to Roatan and the Bay Islands www.travel-to-honduras.com - Your Travel Guide to Honduras From dbindel at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 1 11:06:01 2003 From: dbindel at austin.rr.com (David Bindel) Date: Sat Mar 1 11:06:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Best source for Freelancing Projects In-Reply-To: <OPEMLGJPOGBINEHIIKECKEBKFHAA.steve@roatanet.com> Message-ID: <000401c2e015$0e099800$0301a8c0@DAVID> > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Hasz [mailto:steve at roatanet.com] > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 8:23 PM > To: dbindel at austin.rr.com > Subject: RE: [thelist] Best source for Freelancing Projects > > > Hi Dave, > > Do you have a portfolio up? That would be the first step. I > use a lot of contractors for different aspects of web work, > so that may be something you may be interested in, rather > than a soup to nuts approach. > > Best wishes, > Steve Hi Steve, Yes, I do have a very basic portfolio up with links to several of the sites I have made, and I also have a resume on my website. I believe I've taken all the steps that are necessary to *get* a job, now I just need to *find* some. Any suggestions on that? Thank you, David Bindel From sam at nativeintelligence.com Sat Mar 1 11:14:01 2003 From: sam at nativeintelligence.com (Sam Carter) Date: Sat Mar 1 11:14:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] removing asp Message-ID: <000601c2e016$05f85ba0$7900a8c0@SamVAIO> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I've got to deliver a copy of our asp based content to a client in html format. I could view every page in a browser, view source, save as *.htm. Repeat for about 100 pages on the site. Then resolve all the broken links. Is there a better way to copy a web into htm format? Sam -- From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat Mar 1 11:26:01 2003 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat Mar 1 11:26:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] removing asp References: <000601c2e016$05f85ba0$7900a8c0@SamVAIO> Message-ID: <068401c2e017$ab06e2a0$a336a4cf@mef> Sam, Ouch .. sounds painful. Have a look if one of these programs will help you out. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=website+ downloader in case of wrap: http://tinyurl.com/6o35 Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Carter" <sam at nativeintelligence.com> > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > I've got to deliver a copy of our asp based content to a client in html > format. I could view every page in a browser, view source, save as *.htm. > Repeat for about 100 pages on the site. > > Then resolve all the broken links. > > Is there a better way to copy a web into htm format? > > Sam From hassan at webtuitive.com Sat Mar 1 11:35:01 2003 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Sat Mar 1 11:35:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] removing asp In-Reply-To: <000601c2e016$05f85ba0$7900a8c0@SamVAIO> References: <000601c2e016$05f85ba0$7900a8c0@SamVAIO> Message-ID: <3E60EF90.1080508@webtuitive.com> Sam Carter wrote: > I've got to deliver a copy of our asp based content to a client in html > format. I could view every page in a browser, view source, save as *.htm. > Repeat for about 100 pages on the site. > Is there a better way to copy a web into htm format? Yes :-) Use wget -- <http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/wget.html> Probably standard on most Linux/Unix distros, Cygwin (if you only have access to Windows), dunno about OS X. HTH! -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From steve at roatanet.com Sat Mar 1 11:45:02 2003 From: steve at roatanet.com (Steve Hasz) Date: Sat Mar 1 11:45:02 2003 Subject: [thelist] Best source for Freelancing Projects In-Reply-To: <000401c2e015$0e099800$0301a8c0@DAVID> Message-ID: <OPEMLGJPOGBINEHIIKECMEDJFHAA.steve@roatanet.com> Hi David, My suggestion may not have been clear. I was suggesting you could contract for other web design co's, rather than doing complete web design right off the bat. I use quite a few contractors, so send me your portfolio link. I'm not sure of the exact rules for responding to requesting business on the list, so that's why I emailed you off list. Also, every email you send should have a short sig at the bottom to your business or personal website. Promoting yourself like that is perfectly acceptable, I think. <<Yes, I do have a very basic portfolio up with links to several of the sites I have made, and I also have a resume on my website. I believe I've taken all the steps that are necessary to *get* a job, now I just need to *find* some. Any suggestions on that?>> Best, Steve www.roatanet.com - Visitors Guide to Roatan and the Bay Islands www.travel-to-honduras.com - Your Travel Guide to Honduras From aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca Sat Mar 1 11:57:04 2003 From: aleem.bawany at utoronto.ca (Aleem Bawany) Date: Sat Mar 1 11:57:04 2003 Subject: [thelist] mysql: unique constraing and null default In-Reply-To: <001401c2dff9$d9950cf0$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: <005d01c2e013$ee1a0bc0$0a00a8c0@Aleem> >> What should I do? (this sql biz is no fun) > > take up a career with no exposure to sql? > > ;o) > It always seems to pop up, one way or the other. Hopefully it'll start growing on me soon (I found a really interesting read: http://www.extropia.com/tutorials/sql/toc.html ) > > as always, when in doubt, test > > i'm happy to report that it does work in mysql -- > I'm happy too. I was previously using '' instead of NULL, thinking '' would default to NULL since NULL was set as the default. I now read up and have realized that to have a default value inserted I must use something like this: CREATE TABLE defaultvaluetest ( id smallint(3) NOT NULL auto_increment, name char(3) NOT NULL default 'ano', handle char(3) NOT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (id), UNIQUE KEY handle (handle) ); INSERT INTO defaultvaluetest(id,name,handle) VALUES (NULL,'foo',foo'); # next two resort to default name INSERT INTO defaultvaluetest SET handle='bar'; INSERT INTO defaultvaluetest (handle) VALUES(joe'); SELECT * from defaultvaluetest; 1 foo foo 2 ano bar 3 ano joe Worthy of mention, for other sql amateurs like myself. aleem [ http://aleembawany.com/ ] From dbindel at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 1 12:10:01 2003 From: dbindel at austin.rr.com (David Bindel) Date: Sat Mar 1 12:10:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Signatures and Technical Terms (was: Best source for Freelancing Projects) In-Reply-To: <OPEMLGJPOGBINEHIIKECMEDJFHAA.steve@roatanet.com> Message-ID: <000001c2e01e$0e049fe0$0301a8c0@DAVID> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Steve Hasz > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 11:46 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [thelist] Best source for Freelancing Projects > > Also, every email you send should have a short sig at the > bottom to your business or personal website. Promoting > yourself like that is perfectly acceptable, I think. Thank you for the signature idea, Steve. Now I have a question regarding signatures: Is it acceptable to include technical terms (such as CSS, PHP, MySQL, etc.) in a signature, or would it be more tactful to abstract the terms a little to make them perhaps more understandable to the non-developer? For example: HTML and CSS become "page design" PHP, ASP, CF, JSP, and Perl become "server-side scripting" MySQL, PostgreSQL, Oracle, etc. become "database applications" TIA, David Bindel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPmD3536TtTuKuQdTEQJs7QCeMF0t1qgHr4xrBbYZ07H/39KDfX8An3ro W9X3ZNqWJIOsYzXGXlzknNDQ =Wnbn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From PKOUTOUL at Fayette.k12.ky.us Sat Mar 1 12:16:00 2003 From: PKOUTOUL at Fayette.k12.ky.us (Koutoulas, Pete) Date: Sat Mar 1 12:16:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] HTML-Kit kind of flaky - will Homesite be updated? Message-ID: <269EFA4D16B9C8408697D60BCE064411015674F4@E165000N6> I'm with Tom. A month or two ago I was looking for a HS alternative (thanks for all the suggestions from here). But in all honesty I could find nothing that holds a candle to HomeSite. Also, after getting involved a little in their forums and talking with other folks, I am convinced that while HS is by no means a flagship product at Macromedia, it will continue to be supported and kept reasonably current. Besides, it's hard enough keeping up with web technologies and changing standards, without having to learn to use a new tool. I will remain a dedicated HS'er for the time being. [ pete ] From steve at roatanet.com Sat Mar 1 12:54:01 2003 From: steve at roatanet.com (Steve Hasz) Date: Sat Mar 1 12:54:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] removing asp In-Reply-To: <068401c2e017$ab06e2a0$a336a4cf@mef> Message-ID: <OPEMLGJPOGBINEHIIKECKEDMFHAA.steve@roatanet.com> I like Black Widow at: http://www.softbytelabs.com Best regards, Steve www.roatanet.com - Visitors Guide to Roatan and the Bay Islands www.travel-to-honduras.com - Your Travel Guide to Honduras > I've got to deliver a copy of our asp based content to a client in html > format. I could view every page in a browser, view source, save as *.htm. > Repeat for about 100 pages on the site. > > Then resolve all the broken links. > > Is there a better way to copy a web into htm format? From gravyface at bmfsquad.com Sat Mar 1 13:07:01 2003 From: gravyface at bmfsquad.com (GravyFace) Date: Sat Mar 1 13:07:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] RE: Best source for Freelancing Projects In-Reply-To: <20030301174928.4B39ABFCA@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFEEINCAAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com> Go to http://www.rentacoder.com -- its a great, reverse auction environment (i.e. you bid on jobs) where you can land a $5000 engagement or a $50 engagement -- you're choice. However, you have to be careful about scoping out the project/realistic estimates as some inexperienced development buyers ask for things like, "a complete customized ecommerce solution" for $50, delivered in three days. :) Good luck! From jeff at members.evolt.org Sat Mar 1 13:34:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Sat Mar 1 13:34:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Limited access to server via RDS In-Reply-To: <001801c2df6a$fc9b5180$1582d889@sdstate.edu> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEFCGKAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> minh, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Minh Lee Goon > > I have a user who would like to connect to the CF server > using RDS. I would give him the access he needs > (keyword: NEEDS), but I don't know how to keep him out > of the folders and data sources that do not belong to > him. > > How do I separate his access? Has anyone had to do this > before? Any information would be helpful. > > I am currently running CF5 Enterprise Edition. Please > help. Thanks. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< since you're using the enterprise version, you should be able to setup [looks for cf book to find the right term] advanced security. it's a matter of creating a context and then assigning rules and policies to that context. don't let my description fool ya though. it's very difficult to setup. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Sat Mar 1 15:03:01 2003 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Sat Mar 1 15:03:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Adding a style / font colors to Javascript In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEFCGKAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <002301c2e036$2d823900$1503a8c0@autolycus> I'm fairly light on my Javascript; dangerous enough but not smart enough to figure out the best way to implement a level of design control around some script that have running. I'd like to apply a style to keep the text in-line with the rest of the site design. It's an ad banner script: <script language='JavaScript' type='text/javascript'>  </script> I've tried adding a class to the 2nd document.write and it shut down the whole scrpt. I'm unsure what's the best way to approach this--any thoughts? Thanks, Russ From r937 at interlog.com Sat Mar 1 15:55:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat Mar 1 15:55:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Adding a style / font colors to Javascript References: <002301c2e036$2d823900$1503a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: <002a01c2e03d$534a2470$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > I'd like to apply a style to keep the text in-line with the rest of the > site design. your script is generating a script not text i don't understand where you want to apply the style got url? rudy From so.there at showtunepink.com Sat Mar 1 18:24:01 2003 From: so.there at showtunepink.com (j.d. welch) Date: Sat Mar 1 18:24:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Signatures and Technical Terms (was: Best source for Freelancing Projects) In-Reply-To: <000001c2e01e$0e049fe0$0301a8c0@DAVID> Message-ID: <67FB15D2-4C45-11D7-88CA-000393D62E96@showtunepink.com> On Saturday, Mar 1, 2003, at 13:11 America/New_York, David Bindel wrote: > Is it acceptable to include technical terms (such as CSS, PHP, MySQL, > etc.) in a signature, or would it be more tactful to abstract the > terms a little to make them perhaps more understandable to the > non-developer? well, i feel it is best to generally abide by 'old standard' guidelines, like http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mail/sig.etiquette.html for .signatures; i think including a laundry list of all the things you do is going much too far; who you are, what you do (designer vs. perl hacker vs. DBA, etc.) and a link to your resume/portfolio/personal site is sufficient, imo. <rant> i particularly hate signatures (for list postings, anyway) that include a three-line fortune-style quote or a huge paragraph of legalese about the intended audience and acceptable use of an email. there's enough garbage appended to every post as it is. </> ------------------------------------------------------------------ J.D. Welch | so.there at showtunepink.com graphic designer | http://www.showtunepink.com web developer | http://kitschparade.ath.cx i'm available | http://www.showtunepink.com/resume.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ From gozz at gozz.com Sat Mar 1 18:38:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Sat Mar 1 18:38:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] quick css ?'s Message-ID: <6523ABF6-4C47-11D7-BFF5-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> I have a class "hot" which is applied to a <td>. I want that td to be width: 25% This <td class="hot"> contains a table which I want to be 100%. .hot { width: 25%;} .hot table { width: 100%;} doesn't do what I want. Can I make that table 100% without giving it it's own class? What am I trying to do? Bonus question #1: Is there theoretical CSS equivalent to <iframe frameborder="0">? Bonus question #2: Is there a way to do bonus question #1: Will it work in any browsers? ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From nicky at deveha.com Sat Mar 1 18:42:01 2003 From: nicky at deveha.com (nicky) Date: Sat Mar 1 18:42:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Javascript <-> PHP Message-ID: <3E615392.3050106@deveha.com> Hi ! It's certainly a very easy problem but I don't know how to solve it. I have a php file on a server and I want to show data from this php file on another server in using JS. In fact, I search a way to put the number of item on trackback threads (centralized on a distant server) for person who are using blogspot. (sorry for my very approximative english, I try to work on it ;) -- [ nicky ] [ nicky at deveha.com ] [ icq : 19223680 ] From gozz at gozz.com Sat Mar 1 18:46:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Sat Mar 1 18:46:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] quick css ?'s In-Reply-To: <6523ABF6-4C47-11D7-BFF5-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <8A906A70-4C48-11D7-BFF5-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 06:39 PM, Erik Mattheis wrote: > .hot { width: 25%;} > .hot table { width: 100%;} > > doesn't do what I want. Cancel that one ... I was looking at the wrong file. Works fine. ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From elvelind at elendor.com Sat Mar 1 18:49:01 2003 From: elvelind at elendor.com (elvelind Grandin) Date: Sat Mar 1 18:49:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] quick css ?'s In-Reply-To: <6523ABF6-4C47-11D7-BFF5-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> References: <6523ABF6-4C47-11D7-BFF5-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <12D6B906.2000302@elendor.com> Erik Mattheis wrote: > I have a class "hot" which is applied to a <td>. I want that td to be > width: 25% > > This <td class="hot"> contains a table which I want to be 100%. > > .hot { width: 25%;} > .hot table { width: 100%;} > > doesn't do what I want. Can I make that table 100% without giving it > it's own class? What am I trying to do? > > > Bonus question #1: > > Is there theoretical CSS equivalent to <iframe frameborder="0">? border: 0 works fine for me. > > > Bonus question #2: > > Is there a way to do bonus question #1: Will it work in any browsers? > ----------------------- > Erik Mattheis > GoZz Digital > <http://goZz.com/> > Flash and ColdFusion Development > Minneapolis, MN > ----------------------- > From nicky at deveha.com Sat Mar 1 18:52:01 2003 From: nicky at deveha.com (nicky) Date: Sat Mar 1 18:52:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Javascript <-> PHP In-Reply-To: <3E615392.3050106@deveha.com> References: <3E615392.3050106@deveha.com> Message-ID: <3E6155F3.7020509@deveha.com> nicky wrote: > It's certainly a very easy problem but I don't know how to solve it. Speak too quick, it was just an php error. Sorry. -- [ nicky ] [ nicky at deveha.com ] [ icq : 19223680 ] From gozz at gozz.com Sat Mar 1 18:59:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Sat Mar 1 18:59:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Javascript <-> PHP In-Reply-To: <3E615392.3050106@deveha.com> Message-ID: <591B9DCE-4C4A-11D7-BFF5-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 06:42 PM, nicky wrote: > I have a php file on a server and I want to show data from this php > file > on another server in using JS. If I understand your question, it's "I need to display content generated by PHP on server A on a page of Server B, which will grab the file from server A using JavaScript." On server A, you can make .js files run through PHP, change the header by saying header ("Content-type: application/s-javascript"); and call them from the documents on server B by saying <script language="javascript" type="text/javascript" src="http://serverB/my_php_js_file.js"></script> Or, maybe easier you could try doing the above but just calling the PHP file (my_php_js_file.php) ... and see how different browsers handle it. ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From gozz at gozz.com Sat Mar 1 19:02:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Sat Mar 1 19:02:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] quick css ?'s In-Reply-To: <12D6B906.2000302@elendor.com> Message-ID: <CB5C0619-4C4A-11D7-BFF5-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Sunday, January 6, 1980, at 08:59 PM, elvelind Grandin wrote: >> Bonus question #1: >> >> Is there theoretical CSS equivalent to <iframe frameborder="0">? > > border: 0 works fine for me. "Works" as in "works in a browser"? If so, could you post example code? ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From gozz at gozz.com Sat Mar 1 19:07:00 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Sat Mar 1 19:07:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] quick css ?'s In-Reply-To: <12D6B906.2000302@elendor.com> Message-ID: <7C777784-4C4B-11D7-BFF5-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> >> Bonus question #1: >> >> Is there theoretical CSS equivalent to <iframe frameborder="0">? > > > border: 0 works fine for me. Odd ... in Netscape, defining it inline does indeed work ... but neither <style> iframe { border: 0px;} </style> or defining it in a class works. ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From elvelind at elendor.com Sat Mar 1 19:09:01 2003 From: elvelind at elendor.com (elvelind Grandin) Date: Sat Mar 1 19:09:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] quick css ?'s In-Reply-To: <CB5C0619-4C4A-11D7-BFF5-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> References: <CB5C0619-4C4A-11D7-BFF5-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <12D6BDCE.70503@elendor.com> Erik Mattheis wrote: > On Sunday, January 6, 1980, at 08:59 PM, elvelind Grandin wrote: > >>> Bonus question #1: >>> >>> Is there theoretical CSS equivalent to <iframe frameborder="0">? >> >> >> border: 0 works fine for me. > > > "Works" as in "works in a browser"? If so, could you post example code? "works" as in works perfekt in mozilla and opera, but not in ie iframe src="index.html" style=" border:0px;"> </iframe> > > ----------------------- > Erik Mattheis > GoZz Digital > <http://goZz.com/> > Flash and ColdFusion Development > Minneapolis, MN > ----------------------- > From jweiss03 at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 19:15:01 2003 From: jweiss03 at comcast.net (Jeremy Weiss) Date: Sat Mar 1 19:15:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] quick css ?'s In-Reply-To: <12D6BDCE.70503@elendor.com> Message-ID: <NHBBKBOMELLPDGJJPEMCAEJICBAA.jweiss03@comcast.net> > > "Works" as in "works in a browser"? If so, could you post example code? > > "works" as in works perfekt in mozilla and opera, but not in ie > > iframe src="index.html" style=" border:0px;"> > </iframe> So does that mean that <iframe src="index.html frameborder="0" style=" border:0px;"> would be cross browser compatible? -jeremy From elvelind at elendor.com Sat Mar 1 19:28:01 2003 From: elvelind at elendor.com (elvelind Grandin) Date: Sat Mar 1 19:28:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] quick css ?'s In-Reply-To: <NHBBKBOMELLPDGJJPEMCAEJICBAA.jweiss03@comcast.net> References: <NHBBKBOMELLPDGJJPEMCAEJICBAA.jweiss03@comcast.net> Message-ID: <12D6C240.50307@elendor.com> Jeremy Weiss wrote: >>>"Works" as in "works in a browser"? If so, could you post example code? >>> >>> >>"works" as in works perfekt in mozilla and opera, but not in ie >> >>iframe src="index.html" style=" border:0px;"> >></iframe> >> >> > >So does that mean that > ><iframe src="index.html frameborder="0" style=" border:0px;"> > >would be cross browser compatible? > > yes it would. as long as you don't just xhtml strict where frameborders are removed. > >-jeremy > > > From gozz at gozz.com Sat Mar 1 19:34:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Sat Mar 1 19:34:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] quick css ?'s In-Reply-To: <NHBBKBOMELLPDGJJPEMCAEJICBAA.jweiss03@comcast.net> Message-ID: <35C77C40-4C4F-11D7-BFF5-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 07:15 PM, Jeremy Weiss wrote: > So does that mean that > > <iframe src="index.html frameborder="0" style=" border:0px;"> > > would be cross browser compatible? It does in every browser I have that supports iframe, except Opera 5 Win (it does work on Opera 5 Mac). ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From hblair at hotfootmail.com Sat Mar 1 19:40:01 2003 From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair) Date: Sat Mar 1 19:40:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] quick css ?'s In-Reply-To: <12D6C240.50307@elendor.com> Message-ID: <025001c2e05c$ba7d1d90$6601a8c0@transportgx> > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > On Behalf Of elvelind Grandin > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 1980 9:39 PM evlelind, would you look at the date of your message? Either thelist has gotten real slow to deliver, or you might want o bring your computer up to this century :) Hugh From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Sat Mar 1 21:46:00 2003 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Sat Mar 1 21:46:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Adding a style / font colors to Javascript In-Reply-To: <002a01c2e03d$534a2470$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: <000401c2e06e$5c6c9700$1503a8c0@autolycus> Hi Rudy, I may have been unclear. I'm simply trying to find the way to apply either a CSS style to the URL or to apply some degree of formatting to it. Ultimately, the script is generated by phpAds in order to manage the banner inventory--except in this instance, the banners are text and I need to be able to apply formatting to maintain the look and feel of the site. Hopefully that helps. Thanks, Russ > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of rudy > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 3:56 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] Adding a style / font colors to Javascript > > > > I'd like to apply a style to keep the text in-line with the > rest of the > > site design. > > your script is generating a script > > not text > > i don't understand where you want to apply the style > > got url? > > > rudy > -- > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From jeff at members.evolt.org Sat Mar 1 21:57:01 2003 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Sat Mar 1 21:57:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Adding a style / font colors to Javascript In-Reply-To: <000401c2e06e$5c6c9700$1503a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLAEGDGKAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> russ, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Russ > > I may have been unclear. I'm simply trying to find the > way to apply either a CSS style to the URL or to apply > some degree of formatting to it. > > Ultimately, the script is generated by phpAds in order > to manage the banner inventory--except in this instance, > the banners are text and I need to be able to apply > formatting to maintain the look and feel of the site. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< place the <script></script> block inside a container. give that container a class or id. then, in your css, apply styles to any tags inside that container's class or id you need changed. the html: <div class="banner"> <script>...</script> </div> and, your css: .banner a { color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; } .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From gozz at gozz.com Sun Mar 2 00:44:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Sun Mar 2 00:44:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] background-image auto resizing Message-ID: <9017FD56-4C7A-11D7-B724-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> A few moths ago, cnn.com had td's with gradiated background images ... when you changed your text size, they would resize as if the image had a property of height: 100% - IOW, they didn't repeat, but stretched vertically. How does one achieve this behavior? ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From michellecrowell75067 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 06:05:01 2003 From: michellecrowell75067 at yahoo.com (Michelle Crowell) Date: Sun Mar 2 06:05:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] (no subject) Message-ID: <20030302120651.97271.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more From tara at taracleveland.com Sun Mar 2 09:13:01 2003 From: tara at taracleveland.com (Tara Cleveland) Date: Sun Mar 2 09:13:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Vignette = no doctype? Message-ID: <BA878B88.F118%tara@taracleveland.com> Hi All, I've been working on a contract to design and code templates that will be fed into Vignette... I'm at the coding stage and when I asked which doctype they would be using the response was "we don't use doctypes because we're using Vignette". Apparently the "programmer" (don't know exactly who it was) at the other end of the telephone line claimed that you can't specify a doctype with Vignette. I was a little stumped, and as I've never actually used Vignette before, I couldn't contradict them. So, my question to all of you experts out there is - is there any validity to this, or are they just trying to come up with some excuse not to use doctypes? While I'm at it, if you've worked with Vignette before, are there any other weird quirks I should know about it? Regards, Tara From R.Livsey at cache-22.co.uk Sun Mar 2 09:19:01 2003 From: R.Livsey at cache-22.co.uk (R.Livsey) Date: Sun Mar 2 09:19:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Vignette = no doctype? In-Reply-To: <BA878B88.F118%tara@taracleveland.com> References: <BA878B88.F118%tara@taracleveland.com> Message-ID: <3E622123.1080006@cache-22.co.uk> Tara Cleveland wrote: >I've been working on a contract to design and code templates that will be >fed into Vignette... I'm at the coding stage and when I asked which doctype >they would be using the response was "we don't use doctypes because we're >using Vignette". Apparently the "programmer" (don't know exactly who it was) >at the other end of the telephone line claimed that you can't specify a >doctype with Vignette. > Never used it, but http://www.vignette.com/ has a doctype, and I'm pretty sure they are using Vignette... -- R.Livsey Incutio Web Developer [ PHP | Perl | Java | C# ] www.cache-22.co.uk www.incutio.com From elvelind at elendor.com Sun Mar 2 09:38:00 2003 From: elvelind at elendor.com (elvelind Grandin) Date: Sun Mar 2 09:38:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] quick css ?'s In-Reply-To: <025001c2e05c$ba7d1d90$6601a8c0@transportgx> References: <025001c2e05c$ba7d1d90$6601a8c0@transportgx> Message-ID: <3E6224D3.2020508@elendor.com> oopps.. :) my fault Hugh Blair wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org >>On Behalf Of elvelind Grandin >>Sent: Sunday, January 06, 1980 9:39 PM >> >> > >evlelind, would you look at the date of your message? >Either thelist has gotten real slow to deliver, or >you might want o bring your computer up to this >century :) > >Hugh > > > From wes at pmason.karoo.co.uk Sun Mar 2 09:38:45 2003 From: wes at pmason.karoo.co.uk (**1st Vamp**) Date: Sun Mar 2 09:38:45 2003 Subject: [thelist] DHTML Mouse Animation Message-ID: <154270422847.20030302153904@pmason.karoo.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: MD5 Does anyone know of a cross-browser (or at least fairly consistant across browsers) DHTML script for displaying an animation (either multiple images, or a GIF animation) that follows (i.e. behind) the cursor? Cheers. - -- 1stVamp [ Site at somewhere :: http://1stvamp.org/ ] [ Webcomic from nowhere :: http://gfbowl.com/ ] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQIMAwUAPmIlm+tR7En81eJTAQEIbw+4jDlVHw1iSOyPBMu2PCfuvBU2BhWzW4U3 XNfriYs5rAvDdhppuxg7iYtVckU45PeddXg1CX9bw3hQdLD8F+OusuOTI84RVTic 3ZXtROyjpLcUPAngvLVhHTeSnsOAS0Ek1OSoED1T26xGgnba0jRZNw2DouFstR+G oBCDg3iuYWgl1EW75uGsgTbiuE1SvgzG1bF976+Gs6/0rrk2CtsbhTmSdrrjdJR+ p3QXJ5ukqiBchUgssT4rkF7AlGNvYPAvgTo7+7+bIF/eXrGKHvbAqOpCwY8tC0Mg LN4WQeFMI2o6NFqARMOMyz9ASAeBFiYH9bZfddZMIAt8K8R5h0rwNc/X2r1KhsIY yBdzPMjhEucvYPLodbCRnJZeaUBbp8LyeDx/h397WOZAx9lqQ1xFH4y4AYJ5LZ0k MnvSquMP1BX9EZsQ5tAzYpba6zCJe9PY/M/vORRjeuIM7HAaBBkTiZ2+4I3CaC4l H7rPtzrC2M/KBiVaaRzBEKZOiNM+DmLtFC1k9+lgZ+8Cz2BpwNKddYbaBx2zyOPG Gdm5kDTb2n//vC8STOHRQpUVeNmXHBm6XnjNhCa9Uc/cSzRrMjnRNUB6tOdFPGZ6 jFLMtAIxcnkiSHvJ8hH7r5WAZmH92kJ9jRjLjp8EiymPDhhLtK9aThcMFMGL/w8= =SyJ0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From r937 at interlog.com Sun Mar 2 09:49:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sun Mar 2 09:49:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Vignette = no doctype? References: <BA878B88.F118%tara@taracleveland.com> Message-ID: <003b01c2e0d3$7b841450$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > ... are they just trying to come up with some excuse not to use doctypes? sort of they are trying to cover up their total lack of understanding of what a doctype is, or how to generate one... ... or what might happen if they did think it through say you're in charge of a BEHEMOTH and somebody asks you to turn on something that will generate some kind of tag at the top of every page that comes out of your software, which you only just barely understand, never mind the pecadillos and peculiarities of the dozens of different browsers, some of them standard, some of them quirky, which now have to interpret YOUR output according to rules you don't understand... what would you do? i'd do just what your "programmer" did -- say no > While I'm at it, if you've worked with Vignette before, are there > any other weird quirks I should know about it? butt ugly urls http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/ateAnswers/0,289620,sid13_tax285649,00. html that page may have my pic on it, but i did not produce it if i had've, i'd've suppressed the whitespace -- view source and scroll down till you get to the <html> tag rudy From mark at markgroen.com Sun Mar 2 10:20:01 2003 From: mark at markgroen.com (Mark Groen) Date: Sun Mar 2 10:20:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] DHTML Mouse Animation In-Reply-To: <154270422847.20030302153904@pmason.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E61BEA7.14374.3D856E@localhost> On March 02, 2003 at 15:39, **1st Vamp** wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: MD5 > > Does anyone know of a cross-browser (or at least fairly consistant > across browsers) DHTML script for displaying an animation (either > multiple images, or a GIF animation) that follows (i.e. behind) the > cursor? You would have to adapt it for an image, but your question reminded me of a stupid web trick from CNET a while back that had a message chasing the cursor: http://snurl.com/vjj Regards, Mark Groen MG Web Services Web Site Hosting and Development www.markgroen.com mark at markgroen.com 604-780-6917 From mark at markgroen.com Sun Mar 2 10:48:01 2003 From: mark at markgroen.com (Mark Groen) Date: Sun Mar 2 10:48:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] DHTML Mouse Animation In-Reply-To: <154270422847.20030302153904@pmason.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E61C575.5922.581823@localhost> On March 02, 2003 at 15:39, **1st Vamp** wrote: > Does anyone know of a cross-browser (or at least fairly consistant > across browsers) DHTML script for displaying an animation (either > multiple images, or a GIF animation) that follows (i.e. behind) the > cursor? I think this one would work better for you than the other link I sent earlier, it's already set up to work with images instead of text. http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex13/trailer.htm Regards, Mark Groen MG Web Services Web Site Hosting and Development www.markgroen.com mark at markgroen.com 604-780-6917 From ghuytro at rogers.com Sun Mar 2 11:59:01 2003 From: ghuytro at rogers.com (ghuytro) Date: Sun Mar 2 11:59:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] IE6, <select> menus & CSS 'width' property Message-ID: <002301c2e0e5$932f2bf0$0100a8c0@Bummels> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I have a page which generates a fixed size popup window (250px wide x 200px high). In that popup window i have a <select> menu. The problem is as follows. The text displayed on the page - eg. <select name="myselect"> <option value="value">Text that appears on page</option> </select> - the <option> text is dynamically generated from a server side script and could sometimes contain a string that will force the select menu to be wider than the 250px width of the popup menu resulting in a very ugly and unusable page. I've tried using CSS to constrain the width of the select menu to 150px, but it only appears to work properly in NS6+. In NS6+, the select menu is properly constrained in width to 150px, and when you click on it to view its contents, the "body" of the menu is as wide as is necessary to display the longest string. That is, the body will expand to be wider than 150px if required. In IE6 (I haven't tested it <IE6), the select menu is properly constrained in width to 150px, but when you click on it, the "body" of the menu remains 150px wide cutting off any text that may exceed this length. Am I missing something? -- From spambait at onpointsolutions.com Sun Mar 2 12:03:00 2003 From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche) Date: Sun Mar 2 12:03:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] background-image auto resizing References: <9017FD56-4C7A-11D7-B724-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <001501c2e0e6$22cf5c30$0100a8c0@monkey> > A few moths ago, cnn.com had td's with gradiated background images ... > when you changed your text size, they would resize as if the image had > a property of height: 100% - IOW, they didn't repeat, but stretched > vertically. I'm not sure if this answers your question but I've done something like this with td background gradient images that appeared to stretch horizontally. I made my graphic for the background image very wide (1200 px for example; it didn't need to be very high though, only 20 px or so). When the browser window, and table cell, expanded the previously un-displayed part of the image would then show. ------------- Regards, Bob Haroche O n P o i n t S o l u t i o n s www.OnPointSolutions.com From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Sun Mar 2 12:16:01 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Sun Mar 2 12:16:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] IE6, <select> menus & CSS 'width' property In-Reply-To: <002301c2e0e5$932f2bf0$0100a8c0@Bummels> References: <002301c2e0e5$932f2bf0$0100a8c0@Bummels> Message-ID: <20030302181543.GB2162@debian> On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 01:00:13PM -0500, ghuytro wrote: > I've tried using CSS to constrain the width of the select menu to 150px, but > it only appears to work properly in NS6+. What's your CSS for this? Are you trying to constrain the "select" or the "option"? I'd recommend changing the width for "option" instead of select. > In IE6 (I haven't tested it <IE6), the select menu is properly constrained > in width to 150px, but when you click on it, the "body" of the menu remains > 150px wide cutting off any text that may exceed this length. Have you considered explicitly setting the "overflow" and "clip" properties? See: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visufx.html#overflow-clipping I would try the following to start: overflow: visible; clip: auto; (Note: clip only applies if overflow is NOT set to visible.) Seeing the page where this occurs would be helpful. These are just stabs in the dark without having the actual CSS and a sample output page. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From tara at taracleveland.com Sun Mar 2 13:49:01 2003 From: tara at taracleveland.com (Tara Cleveland) Date: Sun Mar 2 13:49:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Vignette = no doctype? In-Reply-To: <003b01c2e0d3$7b841450$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: <BA87CC27.F132%tara@taracleveland.com> rudy wrote: > say you're in charge of a BEHEMOTH and somebody asks you to turn on > something that will generate some kind of tag at the top of every page that > comes out of your software, which you only just barely understand, never > mind the pecadillos and peculiarities of the dozens of different browsers, > some of them standard, some of them quirky, which now have to interpret YOUR > output according to rules you don't understand... Is there no way to include a doctype on some of the templates - but not necessarily all of them? Regards, Tara From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Sun Mar 2 14:31:01 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Sun Mar 2 14:31:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] quick css ?'s In-Reply-To: <6523ABF6-4C47-11D7-BFF5-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> References: <6523ABF6-4C47-11D7-BFF5-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <20030302203038.GG2162@debian> On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 06:39:15PM -0600, Erik Mattheis wrote: > I have a class "hot" which is applied to a <td>. I want that td to be > width: 25% > This <td class="hot"> contains a table which I want to be 100%. > .hot { width: 25%;} > .hot table { width: 100%;} > doesn't do what I want. Can I make that table 100% without giving it > it's own class? What am I trying to do? What is it that you want? Do you want the inner table to fill up the "entire" 25%? What does it actually do? What browser did you test it in? Is there a page we could look at? Is it possible that another style is overriding your .hot table selector? What about margins, padding and border? Are they set for either of .hot or .hot table? All of these questions affect the solution to your problem. More info would be useful... In the mean time I would recommend the following: - make sure there is not a cellpadding or cellspacing set for any of your tables (or nested tables) - check the padding and margin properties for all tables and the .hot class - add a background color to .hot table to see where it's actually stretching to - you could also try setting "table" to display: block which would make it 100% of whatever area it's in (unless you specify a different width). Not sure how this will affect nested tables. You can see a sample of a single table set to block at: http://www.xtrinsic.com/geek/articles/workfiles/table.html emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From sam at nativeintelligence.com Sun Mar 2 14:38:01 2003 From: sam at nativeintelligence.com (Sam Carter) Date: Sun Mar 2 14:38:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] removing asp In-Reply-To: <OPEMLGJPOGBINEHIIKECKEDMFHAA.steve@roatanet.com> Message-ID: <000001c2e0fb$a8dc7af0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO> Here's some feedback about my experiences with a couple of the website downloaders. I downloaded both BlackWidow and the "Website Downloader". I decided to try BlackWidow first since Website downloader required manual installation of a dll in the system folder. While the Blackwidow interface had much more functionality, I didn't need it all, and I couldn't find what I did need among all the options. In particular, I couldn't find where to specify the folder that I'd like to hold the downloaded files. It seemed to be using the temporary internet cache instead. Maybe I should've spent more time, but I then tried the Website Downloader. http://www.vbcity.com/pubs/article.asp?alias=downloader This interface was just what I wanted. Specify the remote URL and the local folder. press NEXT. Unfortunately, it didn't work, and it left me with irreconcilable problems on my hard drive. I created a folder C:/webdownload. After the download, the "Website Downloader" left two folders c:/webdownload c:/webdownload. (note the period) I can't delete them both. "C:/webdownload. is not accessible. The folder has been moved or removed." Unfortunately, I'm paying a big price here. I'm on hour 3 running Norton disk doctor and chkdsk to no avail. Errors are found, but never fixed. Lots of time spent on things other than the job I was trying to do. Nuts. Sam From kjs at ratking.co.uk Sun Mar 2 15:49:01 2003 From: kjs at ratking.co.uk (Kevin Stevens) Date: Sun Mar 2 15:49:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Content Rating Message-ID: <000e01c2e105$5dd01800$579e1e3e@k0k8u7> You know how it is, you go to one site, click a link and end up somewhere completely different etc. Well, I found this page and, if it is to be believed, should we worry about content rating? I understand that this is a voluntary thing for adult sites, but the last paragraph got me thinking... <snip> The service is free and should be used on all pages, even the pages that do not contain bad language or adult content. The reason being, that many company browsers have been set up to not allow viewing of pages without a content rating. </snip> Does anyone know anything about this? Is it true? Or have I been mislead?This snippet came from http://www.echoecho.com/htmlmetatags03.htm Kevin Stevens kjs at ratking.co.uk From steve at roatanet.com Sun Mar 2 16:39:01 2003 From: steve at roatanet.com (Steve Hasz) Date: Sun Mar 2 16:39:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Signatures and Technical Terms (was: Best source for Freelancing Projects) In-Reply-To: <000001c2e01e$0e049fe0$0301a8c0@DAVID> Message-ID: <OPEMLGJPOGBINEHIIKECIEHDFHAA.steve@roatanet.com> I think that it depends on your audience. If you are in contact with a lot of web design professionals, who might be looking for some contractors, it might be good to have a sig that says, "CSS Pro: We slim your page so you don't have to." If you are in contact with a lot of business owners, you may want a more business focused sig on tap, "We build websites that make you money." You can have a sig for all occasions. Or, if you've got more work than you can deal with, you might just put in a couple of your pet projects that you are developing. Best regards, Steve www.roatanet.com - Visitors Guide to Roatan and the Bay Islands www.travel-to-honduras.com - Your Travel Guide to Honduras <<Is it acceptable to include technical terms (such as CSS, PHP, MySQL, etc.) in a signature, or would it be more tactful to abstract the terms a little to make them perhaps more understandable to the non-developer? For example: HTML and CSS become "page design">> From gozz at gozz.com Sun Mar 2 17:37:00 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Sun Mar 2 17:37:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] iis5: block linking to images, etc Message-ID: <11C6678F-4D08-11D7-A473-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Anybody know of a free ISAPI extension for IIS which will allow me to block linking to non-html files? If not free, any yeas nor neighs on <http://www.isapirewrite.com/> Other suggestions? ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From spambait at onpointsolutions.com Sun Mar 2 19:41:01 2003 From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche) Date: Sun Mar 2 19:41:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] removing asp References: <000001c2e0fb$a8dc7af0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO> Message-ID: <000701c2e126$32b9f610$0100a8c0@monkey> > I can't delete them both. "C:/webdownload. is not accessible. The folder > has been moved or removed." Sam, First, try the freeware webcopier for a web site ripper. Not perfect but pretty good. Second, try booting into safe mode (as an administrator if you're on an NT based machine) and then try to delete those folders. HTH. ------------- Regards, Bob Haroche O n P o i n t S o l u t i o n s www.OnPointSolutions.com From ken at adOpenStatic.com Sun Mar 2 19:57:01 2003 From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Sun Mar 2 19:57:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] removing asp References: <000001c2e0fb$a8dc7af0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO> Message-ID: <031801c2e128$46b4ca30$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Sam Carter" <sam at nativeintelligence.com> Subject: RE: [thelist] removing asp : I created a folder C:/webdownload. After the download, the "Website : Downloader" left two folders : : c:/webdownload : c:/webdownload. : : (note the period) : : I can't delete them both. "C:/webdownload. is not accessible. The folder : has been moved or removed." : : Unfortunately, I'm paying a big price here. I'm on hour 3 running Norton : disk doctor and chkdsk to no avail. Errors are found, but never fixed. : Lots of time spent on things other than the job I was trying to do. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Couple of quick points that may help: a) It would be c:\webdownload not c:/webdownload b) Did you try using rm.exe (or even just c:\>del c:\web* from a command prompt) rather that attempting to delete the folder from Explorer? Consider also rebooting your machine as the folder may be in use (by some process that hasn't quit). c) If you're running NT/2k/XP you need: chkdsk c:\ /f The OS will tell you that the volume is mounted, so do you want to schedule chkdsk next time the machine boots? Click "yes", and reboot d) If you have WinXP Home/Pro you can use System Restore to go "back" to some previous point in time. Cheers Ken From lists at thinkbigideas.com Sun Mar 2 20:27:01 2003 From: lists at thinkbigideas.com (Anthony Baker) Date: Sun Mar 2 20:27:01 2003 Subject: <tech> RE: [thelist] Resizable Fonts Message-ID: <D1A58D35-4D1F-11D7-A88A-0003939BD214@thinkbigideas.com> Hey All, Wanted to chime in on this thread, and forward you an email message I received from Douglas Bowman in response to a similar question I posed to him on the subject. As many of you may know, he was the key designer behind the Wired News redesign. Cheers, Anthony ---------------------- Originally, "px" was determined to be the most reliable across browsers (except Netscape 4 and certain versions of Opera). It's been used often by designers because it seems to give them the most absolute control over initial text size on the screen. The biggest problem with px units is actually accessibility-related. IE/Win (even up to version 6.0) does not allow type set in px to be resized. So if you happen to set type too small for a user's preference, a good majority of them using IE/Win won't be able to bump the text up in size. Em's are generally thought to be more user-friendly because they're entirely relative, and can be resized at will in any browser. The problem with em's used alone, is (again) that they're entirely relative. If they're used relative to the browser's default font size, this default size can vary in different browsers, not allowing the designer to at least predict a reliable starting type size. The general theory that I've seen floating around in our circles over the last year, is that CSS keywords (x-small, small, medium, etc...) (http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html#font-size-props) provide the most reliable method for sizing type, and still allow resizing by the user. The only issue with CSS keywords is that IE5/Win is off by one value. If you specify "small", it gets rendered too large, like "medium" would be in other compliant browsers. If you want type to be rendered at the normal "small" size, you have to specify "x-small" for IE5/Win. Thus, enter Tantek's box-model hack to save the day and correct the keyword value just for IE5/Win. Todd Fahrner wrote about this for A List Apart: http://www.alistapart.com/stories/sizematters/ In digging around a few weeks ago, I also discovered some notes from one of Zeldman's lectures he gave recently about designing with CSS. He's got a great summary which covers the same thing, albeit zeldman-style with some notes about accessibility: http://www.happycog.com/lectures/css/5.html Actually, if you've dug around my CSS files (either for Wired News or Stopdesign), hopefully you haven't found any "px" values for font-size. I tend to use a keyword and percent combo so that I don't have to constantly use that box-model hack to get the keywords right in IE5.x/Win. You notice that everywhere that hack is used, it uglies up the CSS, and requires an additional be-nice-to-Opera5 rule. I like to set the font-size using keywords just once. Then I use percent (%) or em values everywhere else to size type relatively to that one keyword size. As far as I've noticed and tested, % and em are basically identical. 1em = 100%, 2.5em = 250%, etc. For instance, on stopdesign, I set the default size for the body element to "small" (using "x-small" for IE5/Win). Then, for the Right Col or any of the header elements, I use % values as relative sizes. You have to be a little more careful using em's and % values since they're relative to the font-size of their parent element, and not of some global document size. 1.2em doesn't always mean the same size -- it just means 1.2 times the size of the parent element's font-size. For instance, you can imagine that type might get illegibly small in a nested list scenario where you've sized the list item type with em's as such: li li {font-size: .8em;} meaning that everytime a list item gets nested inside another, the type size is reduced by another 80%, until it gets too small to read. hope this helps. cheers, ..... douglas bowman http://www.stopdesign.com/ -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From dbindel at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 2 20:35:00 2003 From: dbindel at austin.rr.com (David Bindel) Date: Sun Mar 2 20:35:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Legal Issues with online Doctor Consultation Message-ID: <000001c2e12d$ae761f70$0301a8c0@DAVID> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just got a new web dev project for a doctor's office in Louisiana. First, let me explain what he has envisioned for the website: He wants to have a one-on-one pay-per-X-minutes (I'm thinking 5-15 minute increments) chat room through which he and other doctors can schedule consultation sessions with patients. His concern is that there might be some kind of law against pay-per-minute chat rooms... Does anyone know if a law of this kind exists, or is it free ground right now? Yes, he's a real doctor and it will be a 100% legit service, but is there any law on pay-per-minute chat? One alternative I have considered is having patients pre-pay for time. TIA, David Bindel - -- David I. Bindel Website Development dbindel at austin.rr.com www.davidbindel.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPmK/pX6TtTuKuQdTEQKNCwCg17URaIO0FdxB/mQkfJxTKtildbcAn0PT mQ5RMSTsBtttFB4GwlnQ9Yk/ =tEzL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dbindel at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 2 20:47:01 2003 From: dbindel at austin.rr.com (David Bindel) Date: Sun Mar 2 20:47:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Timed Chat Applet Message-ID: <000101c2e12f$5af93830$0301a8c0@DAVID> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm designing a website for a doctor. He wants to have a one-on-one pay-per-X-minutes (I'm thinking 5-15 minute increments) chat room through which he and other doctors can schedule consultation sessions with patients. I am in need of a chat applet that will facilitate this time-limited chat session effectively. I have two possibilities in mind: 1) I'd like to tie it into a MySQL backend to retrieve the amount of time that the patient has pre-payed. 2) Charge the patient AFTER the chat session. (Somehow the chat client would have to transmit the amount of time to a payment page). IMO, option #1 would be not only easier, but more secure also since the user must prepay. Obviously, the chat applet must be very stable since money is involved (heh, when is it not involved?) Do y'all have any feedback on this or recommendations for chat applets that will accomplish this? TIA, David Bindel - -- David I. Bindel Website Development dbindel at austin.rr.com www.davidbindel.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPmLCbX6TtTuKuQdTEQK7mwCgrh9DPRsdzbNb1TVrLtQko2ZnugYAnika et7VwMltFg8x7Ug0LkmLT8sV =QIVS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jasonkohls at rogers.com Sun Mar 2 21:16:00 2003 From: jasonkohls at rogers.com (Jason Kohls) Date: Sun Mar 2 21:16:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion -- cfloop output, 3 columns Message-ID: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFOEIHCAAA.jasonkohls@rogers.com> without having to write 3 separate queries, is there anyway to continue looping the output of a query to three <td>'s (columns)? Lets says there are 9 records returned by the query but I want to output 3 records in the first <td>, 3 in the second, and the last 3 in the third. Is there anyway to set a record limit condition in the loop? I hope I'm clear enough. Thanks in advance! From c at christianpaul.com Sun Mar 2 21:16:51 2003 From: c at christianpaul.com (Christian) Date: Sun Mar 2 21:16:51 2003 Subject: [thelist] background-image auto resizing In-Reply-To: <9017FD56-4C7A-11D7-B724-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <DIELIDMAMJNOGJDPIODBMEAECCAA.c@christianpaul.com> Not sure if this is how they did it, but it's a possible answer to your question. http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/samples/author/dhtml/DXTidemo/DXTidemo.ht m Christian -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Erik Mattheis Sent: March 1, 2003 10:46 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] background-image auto resizing A few moths ago, cnn.com had td's with gradiated background images ... when you changed your text size, they would resize as if the image had a property of height: 100% - IOW, they didn't repeat, but stretched vertically. How does one achieve this behavior? ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From r937 at interlog.com Sun Mar 2 21:30:01 2003 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sun Mar 2 21:30:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion -- cfloop output, 3 columns References: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFOEIHCAAA.jasonkohls@rogers.com> Message-ID: <005a01c2e135$4f5d3520$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > Lets says there are 9 records returned by the query but I want to output 3 > records in the first <td>, 3 in the second, and the last 3 in the third. is there an echo in here? jason, somebody called gravyface asked the exact same question the other day, and got several really good answers did you see them? rudy From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sun Mar 2 21:47:01 2003 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sun Mar 2 21:47:01 2003 Subject: Old email .. was Re: [thelist] Coldfusion -- cfloop output, 3 columns References: <KMEJIGIELHLDHIMLHDGFOEIHCAAA.jasonkohls@rogers.com> <005a01c2e135$4f5d3520$0cb96618@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: <07db01c2e137$b90441b0$a336a4cf@mef> Rudy, A couple of messages from last Friday have recently reappeared. So, no I don't think it's a new person asking the same question. The date/time of the messages say Feb. 28th. M ----- Original Message ----- From: "rudy" <r937 at interlog.com> > > Lets says there are 9 records returned by the query but I want to output 3 > > records in the first <td>, 3 in the second, and the last 3 in the third. > > is there an echo in here? > > jason, somebody called gravyface asked the exact same question the other > day, and got several really good answers > > did you see them? From cf at boldacious.com Sun Mar 2 22:13:01 2003 From: cf at boldacious.com (Boldacious) Date: Sun Mar 2 22:13:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] re alt tags google vs accessability Message-ID: <200303030413.h234DvT18785@cts04.webone.com.au> Hi Google now uses alt tags in their description of sites. And we are supposed to use the alt tags for accessibility (mainly for sight-disabled or "images-turned-off" users) So if I have a header logo on every page which links to the home page I should have an alt tag which says "my site logo - link back to home page" or something like that. However that is useless for google which will include this text in the site description. How do we get around this - it seems to me that we have a choice - search rankings that make sense in google OR alt tags that make sense for sight-disabled or "images-turned-off" users. And these two aims seem mutually exclusive. Any ideas? From gozz at gozz.com Sun Mar 2 23:41:01 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Sun Mar 2 23:41:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Legal Issues with online Doctor Consultation In-Reply-To: <000001c2e12d$ae761f70$0301a8c0@DAVID> Message-ID: <EE68F36C-4D3A-11D7-A473-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 08:36 PM, David Bindel wrote: > is there any law on > pay-per-minute chat? Nobody's answered, so I will. If your question is "is billing for the use of telecommunications on a per-minute basis illegal? The answer may in your long distance carrier's phone bill. > One alternative I have considered is having patients pre-pay for > time. That seems like it would be easier to code and manage. ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN ----------------------- From dbindel at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 2 23:52:01 2003 From: dbindel at austin.rr.com (David Bindel) Date: Sun Mar 2 23:52:01 2003 Subject: [thelist] Legal Issues with online Doctor Consultation In-Reply-To: <EE68F36C-4D3A-11D7-A473-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> Message-ID: <000001c2e149$31a69c60$0301a8c0@DAVID> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Erik Mattheis > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:43 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] Legal Issues with online Doctor Consultation > > > On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 08:36 PM, David Bindel wrote: > > is there any law on > > pay-per-minute chat? > > Nobody's answered, so I will. If your question is "is billing > for the use of telecommunications on a per-minute basis > illegal"? The answer may in your long distance carrier's phone > bill. Good point. Thanks, David Bindel - -- David I. Bindel Website Development dbindel at austin.rr.com www.davidbindel.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPmLtyH6TtTuKuQdTEQL9VwCfQlzNOuz+0FdBaWjltEMt5nVXI78AnRkR Uy8W8HeoWU+ksclFdU1alxkd =2b2E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gozz at gozz.com Sun Mar 2 23:55:00 2003 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Sun Mar 2 23:55:00 2003 Subject: [thelist] Timed Chat Applet In-Reply-To: <000101c2e12f$5af93830$0301a8c0@DAVID> Message-ID: <CEE1C2EE-4D3C-11D7-A473-0030657D18E2@gozz.com> On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 08:48 PM, David Bindel wrote: > I am in need of a chat applet that will facilitate this time-limited > chat session effectively. This could be a nightmare ... some users will crash and you'll have ongoing problems frustrating all parties involved. > IMO, option #1 would be not only easier, but more secure also since > the user must prepay. It seems to me your client would want _everything_ secure as people generally like conversations with their doctor to be private. > Do y'all have any feedback on this or recommendations for chat > applets that will accomplish this? As the word is out that I'm thelist's full-on Macromedia whore, so it will come as no surprise that I would opt for Flash: <http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/flashcom/articles/ first_comm_app.html> ... or good ol' HTML and JavaScript. ----------------------- Erik Mattheis GoZz Digital <http://goZz.com/> Flash and ColdFusion Development Minneapolis, MN -----------------------

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