From shackit3 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 07:47:42 2012 From: shackit3 at gmail.com (shackit3) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 18:17:42 +0530 Subject: [thelist] Trying to find templating engine library of markup generating schema.org/RDFa content Message-ID: >It's roughly a library of templating engine macros and blocks to send >collections of data (similar to a JSON format) and it builds the HTML >favouring HTML+RDFa with abstraction of the CSS schema for implementation >using this "framework of things". >My question is mostly if any of you guys had been aware of already made >such libraries. I just wanted to inform of a similar project: that there is something called Second Crack, it takes Markdown-formatted text files as input, and outputs a blog. https://github.com/marcoarment/secondcrack Also here's a tiny php template engine: http://www.tinybutstrong.com/ I am sure you would have found many other 'php template engines' like 'Smarty'. (seems popular) Thanks, ~~~~~~~~~~ From bobm at dottedi.biz Fri Jul 6 23:39:29 2012 From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 22:39:29 -0600 Subject: [thelist] progressive download vs streaming server Message-ID: <4FF7BD81.3010506@dottedi.biz> I'm trying to understand a problem with some rather large videos not progressively downloading, .mv4, as expected. The .mv4 version is 32MB in size, the .mp4 version 138MB. If I set up the player using the .mp4 version it does progressively download, but it keeps interrupting as the download has to catch up to the player. With the .m4v video the problem is that the player will not start until the video has fully downloaded, perhaps 2 minutes (on my connection). I'm not tied to the player, jwplayer, but it is pretty easy to work with. If there is another player that solves this problem with the smaller .mv4 file so that it progressively downloads that would be fine. Seems like someone mentioned another player long ago but I don't remember. On a side note, I'm using handbrake (handbrakeCLI) to convert/throttle the original videos which are supplied in either .mov or .mp4 format. Something like: % HandBrakeCLI -Z Universal -i Video.mp4 -q 20 -o Video.q20.mv4 # quality 20 The player code: -- Bob Meetin dotted i - http://www.dottedi.biz Web Development / Joomla CMS Integration Specialist LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobmeetin 303-926-0167 (home/business) From anthony at baratta.com Sat Jul 7 00:24:58 2012 From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 22:24:58 -0700 Subject: [thelist] progressive download vs streaming server In-Reply-To: <4FF7BD81.3010506@dottedi.biz> References: <4FF7BD81.3010506@dottedi.biz> Message-ID: <4FF7C82A.9020409@baratta.com> On 7/6/2012 9:39 PM, Bob Meetin wrote: > I'm trying to understand a problem with some rather large videos not > progressively downloading, .mv4, as expected. FYI - JWPLayer says they don't support progressive: JW Player supports various protocols for streaming video, instead of doing progressive downloads. http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/jw-player/jw-player-for-flash-v5/12539/supported-video-and-audio-formats I use the FlowPlayer and you might want to check out pseudo streaming: http://flowplayer.org/plugins/streaming/pseudostreaming.html More Documentation here: http://flowplayer.org/documentation/ -- Anthony Baratta "I used to think the brain was the most important part of my body, until I realized what was telling me that." - Emo Phillips From bobm at dottedi.biz Sun Jul 8 16:58:03 2012 From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:58:03 -0600 Subject: [thelist] progressive download vs streaming server In-Reply-To: <4FF7C82A.9020409@baratta.com> References: <4FF7BD81.3010506@dottedi.biz> <4FF7C82A.9020409@baratta.com> Message-ID: <4FFA026B.7080007@dottedi.biz> On 07/06/2012 11:24 PM, Anthony Baratta wrote: > On 7/6/2012 9:39 PM, Bob Meetin wrote: >> I'm trying to understand a problem with some rather large videos not progressively downloading, .mv4, as expected. > > FYI - JWPLayer says they don't support progressive: > > JW Player supports various protocols for streaming video, instead of doing progressive downloads. > http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/jw-player/jw-player-for-flash-v5/12539/supported-video-and-audio-formats > > I use the FlowPlayer and you might want to check out pseudo streaming: > > http://flowplayer.org/plugins/streaming/pseudostreaming.html > > More Documentation here: > > http://flowplayer.org/documentation/ > Okay, I am weaving my way through this. According to the flowplayer documentation there is some server configuration that needs to be done to make the pseudostreaming work. http://flowplayer.org/demos/plugins/streaming/index.html. I contacted hostgator and they are willing to help me with configuring the server. That's the good news. There is a note that you may have to re-encode videos to a supported format, not much instruction, but okay. However on the other side of the street, before moving forward I got curious so decided to test flowplayer's demo page (http://flowplayer.org/demos/standalone/plugins/streaming/index.html) with my mobile device, an iPad. Of course it fails. I get the message that :Flash version 10,1 or greater is required. You have no flash plugin installed. Click here to download greatest version. Click here takes you to Adobe and of course the device does not support Flash. Am I missing something? To get through the immediate need we're considering uploading the videos to youtube or vimeo and grabbing their embed code. -- Bob From anthony at baratta.com Sun Jul 8 17:09:23 2012 From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:09:23 -0700 Subject: [thelist] progressive download vs streaming server In-Reply-To: <4FFA026B.7080007@dottedi.biz> References: <4FF7BD81.3010506@dottedi.biz> <4FF7C82A.9020409@baratta.com> <4FFA026B.7080007@dottedi.biz> Message-ID: Our current implementation of flowplayer specifically doesn't include iPad or iPhone - but I thought that it was part of its pantheon of supported devices. Did you see this? http://flowplayer.org/plugins/javascript/ipad.html http://flowplayer.org/demos/plugins/javascript/ipad.htm -- Anthony Baratta On Jul 8, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Bob Meetin wrote: > On 07/06/2012 11:24 PM, Anthony Baratta wrote: >> On 7/6/2012 9:39 PM, Bob Meetin wrote: >>> I'm trying to understand a problem with some rather large videos not progressively downloading, .mv4, as expected. >> >> FYI - JWPLayer says they don't support progressive: >> >> JW Player supports various protocols for streaming video, instead of doing progressive downloads. >> http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/jw-player/jw-player-for-flash-v5/12539/supported-video-and-audio-formats >> >> I use the FlowPlayer and you might want to check out pseudo streaming: >> >> http://flowplayer.org/plugins/streaming/pseudostreaming.html >> >> More Documentation here: >> >> http://flowplayer.org/documentation/ >> > > Okay, I am weaving my way through this. According to the flowplayer documentation there is some server configuration that needs to be done to make the pseudostreaming work. http://flowplayer.org/demos/plugins/streaming/index.html. I contacted hostgator and they are willing to help me with configuring the server. That's the good news. > > There is a note that you may have to re-encode videos to a supported format, not much instruction, but okay. > > However on the other side of the street, before moving forward I got curious so decided to test flowplayer's demo page (http://flowplayer.org/demos/standalone/plugins/streaming/index.html) with my mobile device, an iPad. Of course it fails. I get the message that :Flash version 10,1 or greater is required. You have no flash plugin installed. Click here to download greatest version. Click here takes you to Adobe and of course the device does not support Flash. > > Am I missing something? > > To get through the immediate need we're considering uploading the videos to youtube or vimeo and grabbing their embed code. > > -- > Bob > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From bobm at dottedi.biz Sun Jul 8 18:43:49 2012 From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 17:43:49 -0600 Subject: [thelist] progressive download vs streaming server In-Reply-To: References: <4FF7BD81.3010506@dottedi.biz> <4FF7C82A.9020409@baratta.com> <4FFA026B.7080007@dottedi.biz> Message-ID: <4FFA1B35.1090706@dottedi.biz> Okay, another hump along the path. I downloaded the ipad javascript file and enabled the ipad support as per the instructions. Using their demo video it seems to work, but my HandBrakeCLI converted to .m4v video fails. The doc talks about keyframes, having enough. The question is how do I tell whether that is the problem or not, and if it is, how do I convert or encode the video correctly? Here is the demo page with a link to working and failing: http://www.jtest.us/players/flowplayer -B On 07/08/2012 04:09 PM, Anthony Baratta wrote: > Our current implementation of flowplayer specifically doesn't include iPad or iPhone - but I thought that it was part of its pantheon of supported devices. > > Did you see this? > > http://flowplayer.org/plugins/javascript/ipad.html > > http://flowplayer.org/demos/plugins/javascript/ipad.htm > > -- > Anthony Baratta > > > On Jul 8, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Bob Meetin wrote: > >> On 07/06/2012 11:24 PM, Anthony Baratta wrote: >>> On 7/6/2012 9:39 PM, Bob Meetin wrote: >>>> I'm trying to understand a problem with some rather large videos not progressively downloading, .mv4, as expected. >>> FYI - JWPLayer says they don't support progressive: >>> >>> JW Player supports various protocols for streaming video, instead of doing progressive downloads. >>> http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/jw-player/jw-player-for-flash-v5/12539/supported-video-and-audio-formats >>> >>> I use the FlowPlayer and you might want to check out pseudo streaming: >>> >>> http://flowplayer.org/plugins/streaming/pseudostreaming.html >>> >>> More Documentation here: >>> >>> http://flowplayer.org/documentation/ >>> >> Okay, I am weaving my way through this. According to the flowplayer documentation there is some server configuration that needs to be done to make the pseudostreaming work. http://flowplayer.org/demos/plugins/streaming/index.html. I contacted hostgator and they are willing to help me with configuring the server. That's the good news. >> >> There is a note that you may have to re-encode videos to a supported format, not much instruction, but okay. >> >> However on the other side of the street, before moving forward I got curious so decided to test flowplayer's demo page (http://flowplayer.org/demos/standalone/plugins/streaming/index.html) with my mobile device, an iPad. Of course it fails. I get the message that :Flash version 10,1 or greater is required. You have no flash plugin installed. Click here to download greatest version. Click here takes you to Adobe and of course the device does not support Flash. >> >> Am I missing something? >> >> To get through the immediate need we're considering uploading the videos to youtube or vimeo and grabbing their embed code. >> >> -- >> Bob >> >> -- >> >> * * Please support the community that supports you. * * >> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >> >> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >> Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- Bob Meetin dotted i - http://www.dottedi.biz Web Development / Joomla CMS Integration Specialist LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobmeetin 303-926-0167 (home/business) From anthony at baratta.com Sun Jul 8 22:34:17 2012 From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 20:34:17 -0700 Subject: [thelist] progressive download vs streaming server In-Reply-To: <4FFA1B35.1090706@dottedi.biz> References: <4FF7BD81.3010506@dottedi.biz> <4FF7C82A.9020409@baratta.com> <4FFA026B.7080007@dottedi.biz> <4FFA1B35.1090706@dottedi.biz> Message-ID: Bob... I would try two approaches first.? One try the non-handbrake encoded file see if that works as expected with progressive download and iPhone/iPad accessability.? Two, try encoding the demo mp4 into m4v with handbrake and see if that plays. Lastly, you might want to try a few of the preset options with handbrake, see if those help - if the encoded demo to m4v works. https://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/BuiltInPresets? -- Anthony Baratta